I think it's one more potential point of failure. That and the soldered ssd make me nervous about spending so much on one of these.
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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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I think it's one more potential point of failure. That and the soldered ssd make me nervous about spending so much on one of these.
uh? yeah kind of. skylake is a new architecture compared to broadwell, therefore is a 'tock', but kaby is not a 'tick', as it's the same 14nm process as skylake. kaby is just an optimization of the predecessor.
next tick will be 10nm with cannonlake. this one is going to be much more interesting as it will bring 4 and 6 cores on mobile cpu. first time core increase after about 7-8 years!
Don't some of you think that they should've made a 15 MBP with function keys, like they did with the 13"...or am I the only one?
Thinking of 15 inch, I would love to see a 15 inch with the same specs as last years 13" rMBP, and the additional space could just be filled with battery and LPDDR4 RAM along with 32GB RAM. Oh and throw in that full OLED display panel, instead of LCD, and I think that would be my dream machine. But, Tim, he destroys dreams.
Thinking of 15 inch, I would love to see a 15 inch with the same specs as last years 13" rMBP, and the additional space could just be filled with battery and LPDDR4 RAM along with 32GB RAM. Oh and throw in that full OLED display panel, instead of LCD, and I think that would be my dream machine. But, Tim, he destroys dreams.
You seem to know more about this than I do, does that mean we could potentially see a quad core 13" MBP and a hexacore 15" model?
I dont mind the price but the battery life is a disaster and the performance isn't that great. One thing I can't stand is crappy battery life and a laggy/staggering/sluggish UX.
Can someone tell me what to expect from the next iteration of the MBP?
Battery battery life? Faster performance?
Also the touch bar brightness is absolute crap and lacks descent DPI. I can see the pixels and the pictures of the tabs in safari look terrible.
Can someone tell me what to expect from the next iteration of the MBP?
Battery battery life? Faster performance?
Also the touch bar brightness is absolute crap and lacks descent DPI. I can see the pixels and the pictures of the tabs in safari look terrible.
Earliest for that will be in 2018-2019
Sluggish UX on the 15" model? Spec wise it shouldn't have the problem as the GPU is capable of displaying up to 2 5K displays, my guess is it's a software related issue. What crappy batter life? 10 hours isn't enough?
Next iteration as in upcoming update? Kaby Lake isn't expected to do much for the 15" model, only the 13" model will see worthwhile update mainly cause of Intel Iris improvements, CPU wise don't expect much.
That doesn't really make sense TBH, if they wanted to go e-ink, they would have done so with the touchbar as it represents a complete redesign. Also, they wouldn't even mentioned MBA if they did plan to have it updated with the specs mentioned in the article.
I have a 2014 15" MBP which I upgraded to the new 13" MBP /w TB. Base build /w 512GB. I noticed when I have full screen apps and use the 3/4 finger swipe to hop between apps, sometimes there's a lag and a choppy animation. It's subtle but still eye catching. I am very saddened by that. I am even more worried what the experience will be like once connected to a 5K display, especially with the hackie 2x DP 1.2 configuration. I have yet to test that as LG hasn't released their 5K ultra fine displays yet.
10 hours of battery life is a marketing lie. Real world use gives me around 5 hours.
I am tempted to return this model and wait for next year for the second integration. My guess is that it will get a slight CPU boost, significant GPU boost, and a price cut. Maybe improved battery life, that would be absolutely essential. And they better improve the TB because it's cheap and doesn't match the display quality. Brighter and higher DPI is what it needs. And much much darker blacks. I can tell where the OLED strip ends and the glass bar starts.
My guess is that in the next iteration they'll use DP 1.3 and support up to 4 5K monitors for 15" models and 2 for the 13"
Anyone else have any input from what I can expect in the next iteration? If the battery and everything else doesn't gain any significant improvement should I just go ahead and stick with this one?
Haha, I guess real world depends on what you used during the test period. But I agree, any "real productivity" and the 10 hours is a moot point.
Btw, I guess you went for the 13" because you wanted it to be more portable? How does it feel going from 15" to 13"? Will the 13" scaled resolution make it similar (in terms of screen estate) to a 15"?
Price cut it all likely, and according to KL specs, you'll have better battery life if 4K is involved, other then that just expect some all around gains. I doubt we'll see an improved TB in the next 1-2 years.
Correct. It was a tough choice but I decided to go with portability this time. It's also more convenient when playing in bed/couch. The resolution scalled down well and I have about just as much screen real estate as I do on the 15-inch. I do have to say that things no the 13" are just a smidge small. I can scale it up a tad bit for bigger fonts but then am unhappy with the screen real estate. Sometimes I change the scaling depending on what I do. When I do web development like photoshop and write code I prefer more screen real estate (more vertical scope) so I adjust it every now and then but my guess is I can get used to either or. The 13's default scale is fantastic.
well, apple itself states:
- Up to 10 hours wireless web
- Up to 10 hours iTunes movie playback
Haha, thanks. Kinda relieved that scaled work area matches the 15" at least. I'm kinda in a dilemma between portability vs bang for the buck, as it's clear that you get more value from your money on the 15" w/ 460 vs 13" w/ 16GB RAM. My previous MBP was pre-unibody and it was a 15". Hmm....
Cannonlake won't bring more than dual cores - and probably will only be used in a rMB12 update. It's Coffee Lake that will bring 4 and 6 cores. And btw, it'll be essentially the same process and architecture as Kaby Lake.
This is just about guaranteed ... in 2018. Before you get too excited, the multicore scores may stay about the same because clock rates will need to come down to keep the TDP the same.
I see two potential models:
A lower cost, lower performance MBP15 that uses the dual core internals of the touch bar 13. This model is for people who need the bigger screen but don't need performance. Lets target a starting price of $1999. I'd like to see it with function keys, but it is in Apple's interest to push the touch bar on everything beyond the entry level models.
A high end 17 inch with 32GB RAM standard and a partial Polaris 10 GPU, i.e. an RX480 with disabled compute units. The idea is to have slightly more graphics power than the Pro 460. Perhaps it can have a choice of 20 or 24 compute units.
Oh god, I would so love it! And buy that right away.
I saw the 13" mbps at an Apple store today:
- great laptops
- snappy
- beautiful screen
- liking the keyboard
- fine with usb c
- meh about the touchbar
- worried about battery life
The only non-starter for me would be the short battery life. Especially for a $2K plus machine (assuming 16GB of ram and at least of 512GB ssd)
That deal breaker has me now waiting for Kaby Lake. That means WWDC at the latest. I do think Apple will back off of pricing a bit. I feel the Apple tax is very high with this update.
- great laptops
- snappy
- beautiful screen
- liking the keyboard
- fine with usb c
- meh about the touchbar
- worried about battery life
The only non-starter for me would be the short battery life. Especially for a $2K plus machine (assuming 16GB of ram and at least of 512GB ssd)
That deal breaker has me now waiting for Kaby Lake. That means WWDC at the latest. I do think Apple will back off of pricing a bit. I feel the Apple tax is very high with this update.
You might be waiting for a long time then. No updates for the first 12 months for sure, so... WWDC '18 ???
Yeah I'd be happy with the first model, with function keys though. I've played with the Touch bar for a week now, and tbh its a gimmick. Touch ID is useful, and I hope that alone trickles down to all devices, though I doubt it will ever leave the TouchBar.
I have a 13" dual core macbook from 2013 thinking of upgrading to 15", which would give me
* faster CPU
* twice as many cores
* faster SSD
I'm excited the new macbook pros just got out, but end up learning that
* ignoring the +2MB L3 cache and +500Mhz RAM clock speed, the CPU is essentially as fast as in 2014 (i.e. the 2015 model) according to the latest geekbench stats (WTF?)
* I don't care about graphics speed per se, but I care about having access to CUDA (i.e. the 2014 model)
* I read rumors that it's possible to place a MBP 2015 SSD into the 2014 model, essentially making the 2014 and 2015 model equal, apart from the trackpad
Can anybody explain to my why I'm seriously thinking of buying a two year old computer as an "upgrade" rather than the latest model? Is the current geekbench score flawed?
Does anyone know more about placing a Mac Pro/2015 MBP SSD into a 2014 MBP model?
Seems to have been tried here by OWC, but thermal confirmation and thermal evaluation seems missing...
* faster CPU
* twice as many cores
* faster SSD
I'm excited the new macbook pros just got out, but end up learning that
* ignoring the +2MB L3 cache and +500Mhz RAM clock speed, the CPU is essentially as fast as in 2014 (i.e. the 2015 model) according to the latest geekbench stats (WTF?)
* I don't care about graphics speed per se, but I care about having access to CUDA (i.e. the 2014 model)
* I read rumors that it's possible to place a MBP 2015 SSD into the 2014 model, essentially making the 2014 and 2015 model equal, apart from the trackpad
Can anybody explain to my why I'm seriously thinking of buying a two year old computer as an "upgrade" rather than the latest model? Is the current geekbench score flawed?
Does anyone know more about placing a Mac Pro/2015 MBP SSD into a 2014 MBP model?
Seems to have been tried here by OWC, but thermal confirmation and thermal evaluation seems missing...
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I have a top-end 13" 2016 Touch Bar and will probably upgrade again if/when 13" end up with quad-core CPUs. Probably looking at 2H 2018 if not 1H 2019.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...lake-in-2018-digitimes.2485480/#post-38464586
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...lake-in-2018-digitimes.2485480/#post-38464586
Here's my advice for you, the overall package will be faster then your 2013 13" MB, individual test (geek bench and etc) might not show significant difference but as a whole package, it'll be different. Also you won't like this answer but if CUDA is important to you, get off the Mac platform cause it's unlikely for Apple to ever use NVidia cards cause of thermal reasons and that Apple pushes OpenCL as the solution to CUDA
This one is golden. I can visualize a life with dongles and unified ports, shall move on and continue using SJ-era mbps.
Disagree - the Kaby Lake replacement is a drop in replacement... It's like Skylake+... I read they skipped it this time because the quads weren't ready yet (for 15"). I'd gladly accept a bet that Kaby Lake MBPs will be quietly launched before WWDC 17.
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