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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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I'm not sure whether to wait for the next revision or not.
Not that interested in Kaby Lake. I'm happy with Skylake, ~7 hour battery and don't care much about IGZO, Not sure what IGZO will bring? less power?.
I'm more worried about "first edition" issues with the newly introduced touchbar, new trackpad...etc.
It will be my first Apple product. Currently using a 17" 2011 Alienware with a battery that lasts an hour, maybe less.
Not that interested in Kaby Lake. I'm happy with Skylake, ~7 hour battery and don't care much about IGZO, Not sure what IGZO will bring? less power?.
I'm more worried about "first edition" issues with the newly introduced touchbar, new trackpad...etc.
It will be my first Apple product. Currently using a 17" 2011 Alienware with a battery that lasts an hour, maybe less.
If you connect to a 4K TV, yes there'd be a benefit. Less so if not, unless HD videos from now on get encoded with h265 or VP9 to make things more efficient at the back-end (ooo-err!
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At last, it seems that there are good news on the way
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...-top-end-2017-macbook-pro-16gb-for-12-macbook
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...-top-end-2017-macbook-pro-16gb-for-12-macbook
"Kuo expects Apple to start production of new 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pros in the third quarter of 2017. "
This would indicate that the release could be in June/July?
New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year
You're kidding me, right?!
Right?!
@RIGHT?!
...damn
My new MBP is coming this friday, and now this news.
Great.
Not at all. If the production start in the third quarter, they'll come in the fourth.
You're kidding me, right?!
Right?!
@RIGHT?!
...damn
My new MBP is coming this friday, and now this news.
Great.
Not at all. If the production start in the third quarter, they'll come in the fourth.
Why are you surprised? Apple releases new laptops every year.
To put it another way, there will always be a faster computer being released around the corner.
Enjoy your new computer and don't worry what apple does in the future.
"Kaby Lake will also support Intel's new and exciting Optane storage technology, which looks poised to utterly revolutionize the world of solid state drives."
What does this mean? can we hope this on the upcoming macs? what is different in optane?
What does this mean? can we hope this on the upcoming macs? what is different in optane?
Not really surprise, rather impressed by the improvements that look more than usual.
IGZO Display, more RAM, Kaby-Lake CPU, and "the most significantly redesigned product this year".
Usually Apple make just some kind of slight speed bump, not something so significant like this seems to be.
Anyway, of course I'm gonna enjoy every single micron of my suffered Skylake MBP. I can't think of waiting any longer with a snail's pace seven years old laptop with no battery, and a GPU near to fail.
This is not going to happen. They just released "most significantly redesigned Macbook Pro". What IS going to happen is an iPad Pro Pro with IGZO Display, more RAM and Apple Marker in addition to Apple Pencil. Unless, this is, Ive found a way to make it thinner while retaining the three hour battery life. Then it's going to be released and I will eat my words.
I am waiting for the next model. I currently use a late 2011 base 13" MBP. It's just so slow and I really could use a larger screen. I keep finding myself heading to my local Apple Store to just play on the new MBPs. I can't believe the difference in quality and all the upgrades compared to the MBP I have now. I've been having a hard time justifying the price when my current MBP is still working fine, just slowly. But with rumors of price drops, Kaby Lake, better efficiency, maybe even a better screen (which is already great anyways), I think I'll end up getting the next model.
I get your point, but are you sure you can (or want) to wait a whole year for your next computer?
I mean, how much is your job right now made slower by a tool that is, in fact, slow?
Wouldn't be better to have a good one now?
comparison of the new top spec XPS 15 vs current entry level MBP 15, same price here in Norway:
Hopefully the new MBP will close the gap a bit!
Hopefully the new MBP will close the gap a bit!
To be fair, I could go without getting a new computer at all. Yes, my computer is slow and I would benefit from a larger screen greatly, but my computer is still getting me by. I'm a college student who is only working in the summer and on breaks, so $2500 is a LOT of money that I'm still not sure if I'll even want to spend next year. Yes, it would be a major upgrade and would be beneficial in saving time and getting my assignments done more easily and quickly. However, I still don't know if that greater efficiency, time saved, productivity, and satisfaction in the product is really worth $2500 (plus tax added on) when that could really be saved up for a down payment on a house in years to come or a beater car. I'm really doing fine for the most part on my current laptop too, just annoyed with its slowness and smaller screen. I would definitely feel much worse about buying the current release when a supposedly pretty improved version would be coming out later this year too. So yes, I'm sure I can wait a whole year for my next computer.
It seems that the next two years are not going to bring many changes to the CPU - Kaby Lake is basically just a slightly higher clocked version of Skylake with hardware decoding of HEVC. Coffee Lake is still based on a 14 nm process so surely the gains over Kaby Lake will be even lower than the gains over Skylake? The only benefit of waiting for Coffee Lake I can see are that the 15" MBP may get 6-core chips (but sounds like the same old dual core for the 13") and Intel will probably get around to including DP1.3 support.
So, essentially it's looking like there will not be any CPU innovation in the MBP until 2019 and Intel can get the higher powered chips down to 10 nm. Just to rub it in there will be a 10 nm Cannon Lake U CPU (15 W) that could go into a new 13" MBP non-TB, but it only has a GT2 GPU...
In other words the best move is probably to wait for Kaby Lake - it will likely fix a lot of the Apple gen 1 flaws (better battery, taptic engine on the touch-bar, IGZO screen, lower price point) and give better battery life while watching HEVC videos. If it doesn't, the Skylake models will have dropped in price refurb/clearence and give pretty much the same performance as MBPs until 2019 (except maybe the highest end 6-core 15" 2018 MBP)
So, essentially it's looking like there will not be any CPU innovation in the MBP until 2019 and Intel can get the higher powered chips down to 10 nm. Just to rub it in there will be a 10 nm Cannon Lake U CPU (15 W) that could go into a new 13" MBP non-TB, but it only has a GT2 GPU...
In other words the best move is probably to wait for Kaby Lake - it will likely fix a lot of the Apple gen 1 flaws (better battery, taptic engine on the touch-bar, IGZO screen, lower price point) and give better battery life while watching HEVC videos. If it doesn't, the Skylake models will have dropped in price refurb/clearence and give pretty much the same performance as MBPs until 2019 (except maybe the highest end 6-core 15" 2018 MBP)
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Apple's 4 quarter is July to September, so in spite of what people are saying, it's possible, although more likely to be September/October.
I just placed my order for a 2016 Macbook Pro 15 inch (w/ 1TB & 460 Graphics).
Kaby Lake will not improve the processing speed much at all to the current Skylake processors, where you'll see the boost is in battery life. the 32GB of Ram (possibly desktop class) sounds very nice, but I feel like knowing Apple that will cost an additional $300-$500 on top of the current $2799 price (which I'm not a fan of), so that's not worth waiting for. Lastly after seeing the newest Macbook Pro's screen next to the 2015 MBP, its amazing seeing the differences in brightness and vivid colors. The only big upgrade next is an OLED display (which is a few years out).
So I think the current MBP is worth it, and I don't feel like waiting another year for a "possible" upgrade (And I've had the 2013 Mac Pro since it launched, Apple is not great at upgrades to current gen hardware).
Plus, I've been rocking my Early 2011 15 inch Macbook Pro (w/ upgraded 16GB Ram, 1TD SSD) and I still want to upgrade. I only get 1 hour and 30 minutes on normal use with the battery (Apple replaced it in August of 2016 btw) and the trackpad clicker only works on one side.
Its time for my upgrade.
Kaby Lake will not improve the processing speed much at all to the current Skylake processors, where you'll see the boost is in battery life. the 32GB of Ram (possibly desktop class) sounds very nice, but I feel like knowing Apple that will cost an additional $300-$500 on top of the current $2799 price (which I'm not a fan of), so that's not worth waiting for. Lastly after seeing the newest Macbook Pro's screen next to the 2015 MBP, its amazing seeing the differences in brightness and vivid colors. The only big upgrade next is an OLED display (which is a few years out).
So I think the current MBP is worth it, and I don't feel like waiting another year for a "possible" upgrade (And I've had the 2013 Mac Pro since it launched, Apple is not great at upgrades to current gen hardware).
Plus, I've been rocking my Early 2011 15 inch Macbook Pro (w/ upgraded 16GB Ram, 1TD SSD) and I still want to upgrade. I only get 1 hour and 30 minutes on normal use with the battery (Apple replaced it in August of 2016 btw) and the trackpad clicker only works on one side.
Its time for my upgrade.
If you are are running a late 2013 15 incher, and you are running high level games or need to do 3D rendering then you may benefit from a late 2016 book. But renders are using Mac Pro's(my son in law is one of those), and gamers will never be satisfied with what Apple can shoe-horn into a laptop the thickness of an oreo cookie.
For those of us who are not gamers who want a really classy skinny machine that is impossible to construct, or doing high power video manipulation which will always be done better on a Mac Pro or high powered iMac, the power of an equivalent late 2013 Haswell/crystalake, with a 2.6, 16 gb ram, and a PCle flash drive will be as much as they will almost ever need.
Apple is playing to these people. They are leaving the gamers to their giant clunkie MSI's(or other manufacturers who want to duke it out with them), and the high level modeling to giant PC's. With 90% of their business in smart phones, eventually they will only make two computers: a variation of the classy Macbook Pro, and a powerful but not supremely powerful iMac. Hardly anyone buys an Mac pro anymore, and so its just not worth making them.
It is what it is.
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Its possible to get a real cheap external battery about the size of a portable SSD, which will really boost battery power for those times when the internal just won't make it.
For those of us who are not gamers who want a really classy skinny machine that is impossible to construct, or doing high power video manipulation which will always be done better on a Mac Pro or high powered iMac, the power of an equivalent late 2013 Haswell/crystalake, with a 2.6, 16 gb ram, and a PCle flash drive will be as much as they will almost ever need.
Apple is playing to these people. They are leaving the gamers to their giant clunkie MSI's(or other manufacturers who want to duke it out with them), and the high level modeling to giant PC's. With 90% of their business in smart phones, eventually they will only make two computers: a variation of the classy Macbook Pro, and a powerful but not supremely powerful iMac. Hardly anyone buys an Mac pro anymore, and so its just not worth making them.
It is what it is.
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Its possible to get a real cheap external battery about the size of a portable SSD, which will really boost battery power for those times when the internal just won't make it.
Let me ask then, what are you using your MBP for? Couldn't you buy, like, a refurbished or a 2015 MBP at good price, use it for one year, and then get to the Kaby-Lake?
We were all expecting the same from the Haswell/Skylake shift, and looks what happened...
More seriously, for people like me that still "work" on a 5+ years old Mac, this is the right time to switch and to buy a Mac. Waiting for Kaby Lake doesn't make sense.
(unless for fun, of course)
That's Apple fiscal quarter. In the last note, Ming-Chi Kuo was referring to "fourth quarter" and the MBP came in october.
Also, consider that Ming-Chi Kuo's note says "production starting in the third quarter", which means Macs not coming until late september/early october, if not later.
For more precise prediction though, we should ask our lord and savior the S*****...
The basics- web browsing, email, watching videos, listening to music. Do a lot of split-screen work with MS Office (which is the main reason why I could use a larger screen). Occasional video editing and image editing. I could get the 2015 MBP for a year, but hate the thought of worrying about selling it and honestly, I don't really have a desire for any older MacBooks. If I'm going to purchase something, I want the latest and greatest, even if it is only to use for a year.
So clearly a Macbook Pro late 2013 would do all of those things for you very very fast and in an exemplary manner. You have to admit that your reasons for purchasing the computer have nothing to do with what it will do for you, but rather that you "have the newest and greatest". This is valid for you, but it has to be known by you.
I only upgraded to El Capitan from Snow Leopard after 9 years because my computer Income Tax Program, H & R Block, would no longer accept Snow Leopard. Quite honestly from a use perspective, my 2008 Thinkpad x200 running Ubuntu 14.04 does OK for everything I actually do. But like you I became afraid at a much further out level, that I was being left behind in the progress of the world.
Staying up on the progress of the world as we know it is worthwhile. Get it now before Trump starts a trade war with China and Apple computers cost $4000.
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