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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%

  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%

  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%
  • Total voters
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WRONG said:
Don't they cost $4000 already? o_O
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I believe only the Mac Pro costs $4000. If you want everything possible added to it, it will be about $3500 on the MBP. But if you don't need high power gaming or extensive rendering on two external monitors, then the 2016 Late MBP is way overkill. A late 2013 has a processor which runs faster than the late 2016, and the graphics are plenty in the Iris Pro 5200 for iMovie, Photoshop and light to low medium gaming. And with a 16 month warranty, you can get one with a 2.6 ghz, 16 gb ram, 256gb flash PCle, and 801.11AC, for $1700.
 
WRONG said:
Actually, a maxed out 15" cost about $4000, but I was making sarcasm about the overall increased prices.
:D
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Actually a macbook pro 1st generation 2006 cost $2700 in 2006 dollars, making it much more expensive than the models we have today, both in performance and in cost. I know. I bought one.
 
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TheOnlyZarathu said:
So clearly a Macbook Pro late 2013 would do all of those things for you very very fast and in an exemplary manner. You have to admit that your reasons for purchasing the computer have nothing to do with what it will do for you, but rather that you "have the newest and greatest". This is valid for you, but it has to be known by you.

I only upgraded to El Capitan from Snow Leopard after 9 years because my computer Income Tax Program, H & R Block, would no longer accept Snow Leopard. Quite honestly from a use perspective, my 2008 Thinkpad x200 running Ubuntu 14.04 does OK for everything I actually do. But like you I became afraid at a much further out level, that I was being left behind in the progress of the world.

Staying up on the progress of the world as we know it is worthwhile. Get it now before Trump starts a trade war with China and Apple computers cost $4000.
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Oh I'm aware. I know the MBP I will be getting will be more powerful than I really need, but I'm welcoming that. It's not really like I have a choice anyways since the base 15" model is just plain fast.

I gotta say the new XPS 15s are somewhat tempting. 2.8GHz Kaby Lake, 4GB graphics, 512GB SSD, for about $1000 less than what I'd be paying for a new MBP with 2.6GHz Skylake, 4GB graphics, 512GB SSD. Unfortunately, I know I wouldn't be happy with the XPS since I don't like Windows and the build quality and overall package doesn't come close to the MBPs. I wish I didn't care how a product made me feel so I could just be happy with an XPS lol.
 
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xxray said:
Oh I'm aware. I know the MBP I will be getting will be more powerful than I really need, but I'm welcoming that. It's not really like I have a choice anyways since the base 15" model is just plain fast.

I gotta say the new XPS 15s are somewhat tempting. 2.8GHz Kaby Lake, 4GB graphics, 512GB SSD, for about $1000 less than what I'd be paying for a new MBP with 2.6GHz Skylake, 4GB graphics, 512GB SSD. Unfortunately, I know I wouldn't be happy with the XPS since I don't like Windows and the build quality and overall package doesn't come close to the MBPs. I wish I didn't care how a product made me feel so I could just be happy with an XPS lol.
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I've had the use of all three major systems: Windows, Apple, and Ubuntu Linux. I have ubuntu on a current laptop my Thinkpad x200 machine. I also have a bootable drive with Windows 10 on it in addition to Windows XP running in virtual Box in the Host Ubuntu. And I have El Capitan running on both the iMac and the MBP.

You can do what you need in all three, but only one of them is actually fun to use: El Capitan. And while I've owned Dells and Thinkpads; they are all just black plastic boxes. My old 1st gen MBP was plastic and classier and more fun than any of the black plastic boxes. The Titanium Powerbook 800 was pretty classy for the time. But only the iMac and the current MBP are solid builds.

When we buy a Mac, we get more than just a disjointed box of electronics. We get a solid, beautiful and fun system to work on. Once you experience the others, most people will gravitate back to the Mac, unless they are really devoid of any imagination at all. For those people, then its all about what the electronic parts are, and the need to be mixing and matching with parts, Imagination and Fun are not part of the package.
 
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TheOnlyZarathu said:
When we buy a Mac, we get more than just a disjointed box of electronics. We get a solid, beautiful and fun system to work on.
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The tight integration of OSX and the hardware, and now even iOS (with combined services) is definitely a plus.

On the other hand,I truly do like the power, and flexibility that Windows and Linux offer over OS X. I know I have the Unix subsystem under the GUI for OS X, but I find I'm able to configure windows a lot more. Its much more flexible in that respect.

OS X is still my preferred OS, but I do a lot of work i Windows and lately it seems its easier for me to do my work in that vs. OS X.
 
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i hope for the next WWDC to integrate even more the watchOS and tvOS, so the entire Apple ecosystem to be apart from the others
 
maflynn said:
The tight integration of OSX and the hardware, and now even iOS (with combined services) is definitely a plus.

On the other hand,I truly do like the power, and flexibility that Windows and Linux offer over OS X. I know I have the Unix subsystem under the GUI for OS X, but I find I'm able to configure windows a lot more. Its much more flexible in that respect.

OS X is still my preferred OS, but I do a lot of work i Windows and lately it seems its easier for me to do my work in that vs. OS X.
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What kind of work do you do?
 
maflynn said:
I work on servers and support enterprise applications.
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I'm surprised that you are still using much of a Mac at all. Apple seems to have given up on that world a long time ago. One wonders what Apple would be today(if it existed at all) without the iPhone.

BTW, my membership here says that it started last Monday. But There are other Zarathu names here. They are all me. I just have no way to access them since the email addresses that were attached to them are long gone, as are the passwords. I suspect that my membership goes back to near the beginning of the forum or at least 10 years ago.
 
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Am I correct to assume that the so called MBP without TouchBar is infact the 2015 modell still featuring the same hardware as it did 2015?
 
senthor said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Technical_specifications_3
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Technical_specifications_4

The differences between these machines are as big as the differences between 2015 and 2016 TB. Just different chipset & processor, and no TB.
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What are you even talking about. The model they are still selling is the exact same as the base 2015 model.....with the 2.2GHz i7 Haswell processor, 256GB, Iris Pro, and all the same ports. Please specify how they are different if you can prove it.
[doublepost=1485165750][/doublepost]This is the non touchbar 15" model they are selling - please get your facts right before you go so far as to tell me to check my facts.

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-2015/
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improwise said:
So what are the facts? Apples site isnt to informative about technical specs.
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You can see the specs using the link i posted, straight from the Apple site. The cheaper model without touch bar is a the 2015 15" model.
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improwise said:
Cant find any info there supporting that it isnt the same as the 2015 model? Please note that my question was only about the 15".
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oh and @senthor he meant the 15". So. Yep. :)
 
monkeydax said:
What are you even talking about. The model they are still selling is the exact same as the base 2015 model.....with the 2.2GHz i7 Haswell processor, 256GB, Iris Pro, and all the same ports. Please specify how they are different if you can prove it.
[doublepost=1485165750][/doublepost]This is the non touchbar 15" model they are selling - please get your facts right before you go so far as to tell me to check my facts.

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-2015/
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You can see the specs using the link i posted, straight from the Apple site. The cheaper model without touch bar is a the 2015 15" model.
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oh and @senthor he meant the 15". So. Yep. :)
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Ah, we're talking about 15''! I was thinking about the 2016 non-TB 13'', which obviously is not the same machine as the 2015 13''. So much noise about nothing, sorry.

There is technically no 2016 15'' Non-TB, so the question is quite confusing.
 
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improwise said:
Am I correct to assume that the so called MBP without TouchBar is infact the 2015 modell still featuring the same hardware as it did 2015?
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Maybe your first question was confusing.
In short, Apple is currently selling the old 2015 model with 2015 specs, and the 2016 model with 2016 specs.
Quite a self-evident truth
:D
 
TheOnlyZarathu said:
So a first generation would cost $3200 according to your 20% estimate. Most people who are buying these machines are paying between $2700 and $3300 for them from apple. Just what I said. yes there are a few decked out to $4200, but most people are not doing that.
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Ya, I guess if you're saying the base model was $2700, but I don't believe it was. I have a 2007 15" MBP that I know was under $2500 from Apple.
 
TheOnlyZarathu said:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-2-duo-2.33-17-specs.html
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That's the top of the line (or near top) 17", which would be like the $4000 model today. This says the 15" base model was $1999 in 2007, which would be somewhere around $2300 in 2016 dollars: http://www.everymac.com/systems/app...k-pro-core-2-duo-2.2-15-santa-rosa-specs.html

Not trying to argue too much, I just don't believe any year's base model MBP models were more expensive, accounting for inflation.
 
ja09 said:
That's the top of the line (or near top) 17", which would be like the $4000 model today. This says the 15" base model was $1999 in 2007, which would be somewhere around $2300 in 2016 dollars: http://www.everymac.com/systems/app...k-pro-core-2-duo-2.2-15-santa-rosa-specs.html

Not trying to argue too much, I just don't believe any year's base model MBP models were more expensive, accounting for inflation.
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OK... I'm sure that whatever you say must be right. Its too small a point to keep beating at.
 
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