Of course. But obviously that hasn't happened. What has happened is that Apple has improved the previous MBP in a dozen ways, including graphics performance and battery life (for the 13" nTB and 15"), and some people are complaining because it's thinner!
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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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Stop feeding him. Unless he is paid for his posts (I highly doubt it), I simply don't understand him.
Funny thing is, in my own country (Croatia), we don't have Apple store. What we have is called iStyle, an authorized apple reseller. According to them, older MBP is still selling like hot cakes, while they have big problems in selling the new MBP.
I'm waiting for an upgrade as far as MBP is in question. But for mac pro, me and my staff can't wait for Apple to finish their new mac pro, and honestly, I have 0 faith in Apple that they will do the job right. We have built a couple of hackintoshes, and using those.
If Apple surprises us, sure, mac pro all the way. But I wouldn't put my money on it.
Stop feeding him. Unless he is paid for his posts (I highly doubt it), I simply don't understand him.
Funny thing is, in my own country (Croatia), we don't have Apple store. What we have is called iStyle, an authorized apple reseller. According to them, older MBP is still selling like hot cakes, while they have big problems in selling the new MBP.
I'm waiting for an upgrade as far as MBP is in question. But for mac pro, me and my staff can't wait for Apple to finish their new mac pro, and honestly, I have 0 faith in Apple that they will do the job right. We have built a couple of hackintoshes, and using those.
If Apple surprises us, sure, mac pro all the way. But I wouldn't put my money on it.
I know. But if they fix keyboard problems it would be worth it. I owned two of mbp15 2016, returned both and decided to stop playing 'Am I gonna be lucky next time' game. I am waiting for a refresh, even though kaby lake doesn't bring anything ground breaking.
But then again, if they fix keyboard, it will be good enough for me.
I'm not sold on the keyboard though I could probably get used to it if push comes to shove
A fair question indeed; I'm primarily a photo and video editor so with the exception of FCPX, which I do use in addition to Premiere Pro CC and Resolve, most of my applications are cross platform. At work I do have a Windows 7 box, but I primarily use the office's maxed out 2012 27" iMac. I have always preferred MacOS to Windows and while it's taking some getting used to with Windows 10, I think I can manage. The Alienware 13(Kaby Lake)with OLED display, 16GB Ram, GTX1060 w/6GB, and 1TB M.2 nvme was roughly $2300; While not necessarily a direct competitor considering the screen size, the 15" MBP Tb w/1TB and the 460 is $3500.
I would have loved to have purchased a MacBook Pro but I really needed a personal computer now(and didn't want to pay $3500 for underwhelming specs) and after surveying the landscape(XPS15, Razer Blade, etc., I opted for the Alienware 13 r3; My previous computer a 2009 4,1 Mac Pro finally gave up the ghost about a year ago, and I had upgraded the processors twice, maxed out the RAM and, threw in a flashed MVC GTX980 in there. It was a powerful computer then and would have continued to have been for me for a few more years had the power supply(at the very least) not died.
One thing I've always appreciated with Apple computers is(for me anyways) they literally "just work" right out of the box. This Alienware crashed on me during the setup and registration process and what was most annoying was the Samsung 960EVO 1TB M.2 drive that I purchased separately was not being recognized as a volume in Windows 10; I could see it in the Device Manager, but nothing in the File Explorer and I could not install the appropriate drivers and Magician software from Samsung. Three hours later and several re-seating attempts of the drive, I discovered, after pouring through the ole interwebs, Dell has the machine drive slots(there's two in there btw) configured as RAID even if the machine doesn't ship with a second M.2 drive; I had to go into the BIOS and change that out to ACHI and I was finally able to install the driver and software. Absolutely maddening.
Dell does this with all their computers because they are literally Satan. The XPS series also ship in RAID, so when you put a proper NVMe drive in with native drivers installed, you'll just get bootloops. Genius.
LOL, because they default to a RAID configuration, they're the entity of evil? Seems a little over the top. I'm not defending the actions, which are questionable, but calling them satan over that seems kind of silly to me
Why? what will that give you that the current i7 won't?
Other then someone's idle speculation, there has been no rumors about what a potential iMac pro is going to have.
If you have a 2015 15 inch Haswell MBP, I would defer any upgrades until 2020 when Intel Tigerlake comes out. Everything between now then will be mostly single digit performance improvements. Best you wait for something truly substantial. Don't give me the what about the software. I saw the Program Manager for Adobe After Effects using a 2011 iMac 27 to demo new features in version 2017 just fine. Not mention, the other product groups tend to use old Apple devices to demo the latest features of their product. If older generation is good enough for them, it certainly can be good enough for you too. Get the best bang for your buck in 2020.
I've been having *ahem* some slight issues with my XPS 15s over the past... 9, 10 weeks. Dell is not on my good side.
Yes, I noticed, but you were calling Dell the incarnation of evil itself over a bios setting - seems a little over the top to me.
I really hope for the 2017 MBPs, they add Kaby Lake, terraced batteries (if they have room and planned on doing this but didn't, like rumors have suggested), and make the touchbar optional for all models. Making the touchbar optional will not only lower the prices, but increase battery life as well. If the 8th-gen Intels are released this year, it'd be really cool if Apple skipped straight from Skylake to those too.
Is it truly any worse than the dung that gets thrown at Apple daily around here?
Would you settle for two out of three? I doubt the touch bar will be optional for the higher-end models (though I suppose it's possible). They may make them more adaptable, and maybe if Mac fans are really good, they'll add a physical esc key at the left end of the touch bar.
I expect a non-tb 15" version. In 2017 version of course. But even if it doesn't come, I expect it down the line. Developers have no use for TB, so I really do hope that Apple sees that.
But what I really hope for is MBP 15 without TB and without dGPU. Just that right there would make me buy MBP once again.
But what I really hope for is MBP 15 without TB and without dGPU. Just that right there would make me buy MBP once again.
Really want this version too, but it will either have to end up being Skylake for the GT3e/GT4e, or be limited to much lesser GPUs for the later lakes thanks to Intel. I would still gladly take the former, but most likely will not happen.
Nope, as people have been dealing with similar issues, i.e., defects and problems with the new MBP, though Apple's customer support is better and eventually they step up to the plate.
No dGPU won't happen because of Intel. They decided that machines that use quad core processors will likely have a dGPU so there's no market for a powerful integrated GPU like the one that the 15 inch MBP used to have.
See this: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/22/intel-mobile-roadmap-coffee-lake/
Without touchbar is a possibility, though.
I'd rather save US$300 and get function keys I guess than save US$100-200 by not including a GPU.
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