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Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%
  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%
  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%

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Cannon Lake's integrated GPU is twice as big as Kaby Lake's

Hi guys, it's me again. This is a SiSoftware entry showing 48 EUs for an unspecified Cannon Lake chip. 48 EUs is twice what Broadwell, Skylake and Kaby Lake offered (24 EUs) and there's architectural improvements on top, because CNL is 'Gen 10'. CNL will only come in Y (4-5W) and U (15W) versions, suitable to lighter Macbooks.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/intel-skylake-kaby-lake-thread.2428363/page-388#post-38836966

Don't take it as gospel truth yet, but hopefully is it. ;)

Regarding the 15'' Pro, according to chinese website BenchLife the hexa-core Coffee Lake has been pushed forward to Q4. If that's true, I believe mobile versions will be available at the beginning of 2018 as well. 6C will provide a nice boost in MT apps compared to their current quads, just don't expect significant iGPU changes here (you get a discrete GPU anyway).
 
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From quad core, the next step for mbp 15', will be hexa-core?
If this is true, this means huge cpu power/capabilities improvement?
 
Would you settle for two out of three? I doubt the touch bar will be optional for the higher-end models (though I suppose it's possible). They may make them more adaptable, and maybe if Mac fans are really good, they'll add a physical esc key at the left end of the touch bar.

Yes, most likely. I'm going to be needing a new laptop soon, and there's no way I'm getting anything other than a MBP. But I really would prefer to have the function keys, a lower price, and better battery though. Just wishful thinking
 
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Do we really need a hexa core laptop?

Most people... probably not.
I can also get by with a quad core CPU right now. But with a couple VMs, proprietary database software, an InDesign Server any a couple other things running on the road... it sure would be appreciated!
 
After a few days (weeks) of deliberating I've decided to buy a 13 inch toucbar MacBook Pro. However as I was about to order I noticed that the estimated delivery date for all the 2016 13 inch mbp (touch bar or not) has slipped back to the 18th April. All other macs still read that delivery will be tomorrow (or did before 7pm anyway)

Is this any kind of indication that the 13 inch may be coming up for a refresh or does this just happen from time to time? I have no problem with ordering one only to find out the model gets updated a few months down the line but will be a bit sick if it happens the next week!

Many thanks
 
From quad core, the next step for mbp 15', will be hexa-core?
If this is true, this means huge cpu power/capabilities improvement?
If the new speculated 6C mobile CPU has similar power consumption to current 4C mobile CPUs, that means the new 4C ones will consume less power than the current 4C ones. Cynical me automatically assumes that as soon as they learn that they can put in the same number of cores for a smaller power envelope, they'll try to make the battery smaller and thus the chassis thinner :)

Jokes aside, if such case will indeed be true (less power consumption for quad cores), I'd rather want a thinner/lighter laptop or a more decent GPU (preferably NVIDIA) or just better battery life than the hexa core CPUs of questionable usefulness even for most pro users, except maybe for video encoding people.
 
If the new speculated 6C mobile CPU has similar power consumption to current 4C mobile CPUs, that means the new 4C ones will consume less power than the current 4C ones. Cynical me automatically assumes that as soon as they learn that they can put in the same number of cores for a smaller power envelope, they'll try to make the battery smaller and thus the chassis thinner :)

Jokes aside, if such case will indeed be true (less power consumption for quad cores), I'd rather want a thinner/lighter laptop or a more decent GPU (preferably NVIDIA) or just better battery life than the hexa core CPUs of questionable usefulness even for most pro users, except maybe for video encoding people.
Yes... if it is a MacBook... or a MacBook Air... We're talking about a MacBook PRO here, though. It should ALWAYS be top of the line and on a line with other workstation machines. Given these factors it can try to stay thin and light...
But for at least ONE mobile machine... power should come first! (And let's be real... Apple won't make a 2 inch thick behemoth... they didn't build a notebook like this since the TiBook came out!)
 
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They're admitting their errors because people are not blindly buying the products any longer. I don't get the new thicker iPad - what does that give you that the prior revision didn't? As for the Mac Pro, and potentially this year the iMac it is indeed good news.

New MBPro. Thinner and more expensive. People whine about Apple making it thinner and more expensive.
New iPad. Thicker, but faster and cheaper. People whine again.
 
New MBPro. Thinner and more expensive. People whine about Apple making it thinner and more expensive.
New iPad. Thicker, but faster and cheaper. People whine again.

The new iPad is actually amazing. Yes the screen is a bit worse, and if you alrdy have an iPad Air or Pro you don't really need it, but still. Really solid device imho. And a step in the right direction.
 
New MBPro. Thinner and more expensive. People whine about Apple making it thinner and more expensive.
New iPad. Thicker, but faster and cheaper. People whine again.
In the MBP's case, I think its not that they made it thinner per say, but they removed many of the ports people use day to day, and I don't mean just the legacy USB-A port, but also the HDMI, Mag-Safe, and SD card slot. I know for my perspective, I need all three and they're now missing. If I were to take the plunge and buy the new MBP, I'd have to buy solutions/dongles just to give me the same capability as the prior model. I don't mean dongles to bridge the cap between using a brand new USB-C with older peripherals but current ports like HDMI and SD card reader.

Other complaints revolve around the keyboard, and touchbar but we don't need to go down that rabbit hole ;)
 
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Yes... if it is a MacBook... or a MacBook Air... We're talking about a MacBook PRO here, though. It should ALWAYS be top of the line and on a line with other workstation machines. Given these factors it can try to stay thin and light...
But for at least ONE mobile machine... power should come first! (And let's be real... Apple won't make a 2 inch thick behemoth... they didn't build a notebook like this since the TiBook came out!)
I agree for the most part, but in any portable weight and battery life are two factors that come above performance in my opinion. If it means a 3-4 hour battery life and a 6-lb weight I'd say the performance isn't worth it.
 
Anyone else more hoping for advancements in battery tech? Seems like nothing significant has happened in like a decade.
I remember talking with a guy back in 2011 who was telling me about "deep-cycle" batteries being the next big thing in tech, and all of our battery woes being solved in 5 years.

6 years later, we're still here.
 
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I agree for the most part, but in any portable weight and battery life are two factors that come above performance in my opinion. If it means a 3-4 hour battery life and a 6-lb weight I'd say the performance isn't worth it.

I agree... like the Dell Precision we have at work... are ridiculous. Thick, huge, ugly.
But the rMBPs and even the ones before were just fine thickness and weight wise, me thinks.

Everything is always a compromise... but 2.5kg are fine... No need to get to 2kg for a pro level machine if it sacrifices power.
Some gaming notebooks at 3.5kg and above are just ridiculous though. I can see, though, that it is hard to draw a line in the sand as everyone has different priorities. One more higher end option above the current MBP and I'd be happy! More choice if you wish.
 
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Yes so we stop complaining after a tear down "There's still room inside for **watts" max it out Apple or don't release it.
The issue is that the battery is smaller then the previous model, so it was less about apple not using available space but rather why did apple shrink the size. Couple that with the initial poor battery performance, made for a perfect storm of very angry owners.
 
the initial poor battery performance, made for a perfect storm of very angry owners.
Again, the initial battery performance for the 15" and 13" without touch bar was fine according to reviews. The internet spun trouble with the 13" with touch bar into some general battery crisis. That and the endless repetition of other angry myths is what makes for a storm of very angry owners.
 
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Does anyone care about my review of the 2016 MacBook Pro 13"? I thought I'd post it here.

I'm typing this on the brand spanking new MacBook Pro 13". I'm getting to test it out for work. One of the things I do is support JAMF, and we'll be prepping it for Sierra imaging/upgrading throughout the organization. We ordered a couple of the new MBPros to have a native Sierra build to test off. We have several engineers, and especially some executives, who are fans of Mac. So even though some of the back-end IT guys roll their eyes and wish we wouldn't have to support Macs, it's still a going concern and my job.

The machine is a joy to hold and look at. The metal is perfectly balanced, and ergonomically a joy to put on a surface and use as a work device. The screen is not as dense in pixels as the new Windows QHD screens, but it somehow looks absolutely perfect to my eyes. The nice Dell XPS and Lenovo machines have great screens, but somehow looking at them I feel like I see those QHD screens are palpably behind glass, and reflect light as such. The highest compliment I can give to Apple is that this screen is the most beautiful I've ever seen.

The new flatter, spread-out keyboard is perfectly comfortable to me. If this a design which they believe will reduce typos, I can get behind it. I know it has annoyed some people. I really don't have a strong opinion beyond that.

I was excited to try out the larger trackpad. I don't feel much difference. I was also interested in trying out the touchbar. In both cases, my thoughts were immediately, oh, that's neat… and now I'm over it.

We already had the VP of the company—and a die-hard Mac lover who insists on using Apple stuff himself—come over and look and say "nope, we're not ordering those. They're too expensive for what they are. The number of dongles we'd have to order is too much, and they aren't plentiful enough."

I'm glad. I hope there is the back-end push against Apple to get a few things in line.

We ordered USB-C dongles, but they're few and far between, and other than the Apple stuff, much of the real solutions are back-ordered or still vapor-ware. So this machine has four USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, but I am using an Apple dongle with USB-C / USB-A / HDMI ports on it.

So to connect this up to the work ethernet (it's not on the domain, so I can't download a certificate for WiFi to it), I have to attach a USB-A -> Ethernet adapter to the USB-C adapter. If I needed to use another USB device, I'd either need more dongles, or to daisy-chain a USB hub to existing dongle, and maybe then put the USB-A ethernet dongle to that dongled hub.

The amount of daisy-chaining is kind of ridiculous. I thought we didn't think we'd have to do this any more after SCSI went away.

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I'm not enthusiastic about touch-screens. I hate touching my screen, or anyone touching my screen. I also happen to be a snob about the fact that a screen with an interface for touching, like the iOS home screen, is configured differently than a desktop metaphor, in which tiny things for artwork or copy are much too precise to be manipulated by fat fingers. But I've used touchscreens on Windows machines, and moving windows around or scrolling, I'll admit, is not merely a gimmick, but useful.

I'm thinking with the touchbar that Apple is going out of their way to not be a touch-OS. I am holding judgement on it for now. I used the fingerprint ID and I agree it's a necessary addition to the line-up. But the fact that things like my ESC key go away at times? That worries me a little.

Apple opted for the software keyboard on iOS to allow it to be changed dynamically with the needs of the software. I was thinking that in a similar way, a "touchbar" could just be a floating palette on the bottom of a touchscreen application, anyway, and essentially be just as configurable as this implementation.

If the touchbar were truly more economical, I'd understand it. But it already adds $300 to the base price, which is around what the extra price for a QHD touchscreen is for PC models. It may be that Apple still finds this economical, and their mark-up is just very high. That's all very well, but they'll be judged on their output here, not their internal margins.

I'm not saying it's a bust. I got into the terminal, and it actually has instant access to man pages from the touchbar as I type, which is kind of interesting. I can see that this has potential. And they did think this through, because the touchbar is at a great angle just between my fingers and the screen, where it is intuitive to choose some useful shortcut commands. I'm just saying that for everything about it that seems cool, I could imagine it could easily have been implemented with a touchscreen, anyway. I'm not saying I want them to do it that way, either, but it might have been a "good enough" solution that will be implemented by touch-screen PCs in imitation that could more widely adopted. Even if I loved the touchbar, if it were just a software implementation on the bottom of a touchscreen, I think I'd be fine with it.

Obviously, if this is now a thing, Apple would have to face continuing to implement this across the line, or make a decision to fragment their interface. Unless we consistently see the touchbar in external keyboards or third-party keyboards. And that seems like a lot to expect.

As configured, this laptop is at least $2100 with 16GB of memory. (That's the cost without counting applecare or fistfulls of dongles.) Lenovo's X1 Carbon and Dell's XPS both are expensive, but awesome machines that still come just under that. So good equipment is competitive, and the Mac is still a premium cost.

So the Macs are still Skylake, but have a max of 16GB of DDR3. The new Dells are Kaby Lake, but max out at 8GB. Between the two, I'd still rather have more memory than the newer chip based on how I work.

The key thing is, I don't think Windows and MacOS have ever both been as close in user experience. They both have similar "flat" interfaces. They both incorporate touch, exposé, app stores, spoken assistants, recovery partitions, the same Intel chips, integrate the same cloud apps, run most of the same important third-party apps, mainly are trying to route their customer base to service/subscription models for their soft products, and both are converging on using things like USB-C on the hardware side.

MacOS has ****** window snapping, and Windows still doesn't have a tiled file explorer. But both of them are only an update (or third-party utility) from having them and converging even more so.

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I like the direction of where USB-C is going. I even am fine with it only being USB-C to keep it thin and consistent. I hate seeing mag-safe go. (I'm fine with the smug, glowing Apple logo going away.) If they're serious about one port to rule them all, I'm snorting the dry kool-aid powder and I'd say it's worth it to make a push for USB-C. However, at the cost that it is, I wish that Apple would at least have included, say, a pass-through USB-C hub with two USB-A ports and a TB2/MDP port with the pro machine, just to say to the user base, "hey, we understand you probably invested heavily in these form factors we adopted for many years." My dongle with one USB-A port feels a little bit like holding back just enough to frustrate me.

Hell, they kept Firewire 400 and 800 ports on their machines for several iterations. And it made sense. Lots of good audio gear was FireWire 400. And I knew photographers who said they might be the only people who use FW 800, but they depended on it. Apple stopped putting Firewire on their machines in 2012 as they adopted USB-3 as I recall.

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And in the course of typing this email, my palm has gone over the trackpad and flung my cursor far and wide. Three times by my count. Not perfect. I have to say I love, love, love, my Magic Trackpad 2, but this larger trackpad makes me shrug. If they lost a few centimeters on it to keep the physical function keys along with the touchbar, I would prefer it.

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I'm thinking about purchasing computers for home use for music and video editing. I'm naturally inclined toward a Mac. I also like development, and I'm always going to be running virtual machines in VMWare or VirtualBox. (Or HyperV. Ugh) I am wary of the touchbar and wonder what Apple's plan is, here. As ever, I'm a little wary of what exactly Apple is doing with their Mac line-up.

I haven't run a VM on it, yet, but when the keys are captured by, say, CentOS, will I continue to have my ESC and F2 keys in Linux, which are absolutely necessary? That alone could certainly be a dealbreaker for a dedicated developer.

Like my organization, which ordinarily spends millions on Apple gear every year, I want to see a little more out of Apple before I would spend my own money. The USB-C works really well, and, while I sigh a little forlorn, I will say: no mag-safe, no cry.
I think you should post this as a new thread, both because it's worth its own and because it's not really on topic in this one.
 
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Do you guys think the Mid-2017 model will have big improvements in terms of performance or should I wait for Late-2017 or just go with the 2016 model? (15''). I want to know if they are going to bump up the resolution any time soon or are going to make changes to the display.
 
Do you guys think the Mid-2017 model will have big improvements
I don't think there will be a "mid-2017" but rather this fall. Kaby Lake does not provide a huge boost in performance so I don't think you'll see radical numbers
 
Do you guys think the Mid-2017 model will have big improvements in terms of performance or should I wait for Late-2017 or just go with the 2016 model? (15''). I want to know if they are going to bump up the resolution any time soon or are going to make changes to the display.

A mid-2017 model would be the shortest MBP-cycle if I am not wrong (a release on WWDC would be about 225 days after the last one). A release early October would be about 340 days after the last release. Regarding the release of Coffe Lake early 2018 and the release of the new AMD-GPUs this week, a release on WWDC would be a good spot. Enough room for an update early 2018 (for example April) with the next spec-bumb (coffee lake or cannon lake, depending on intel) and also as an answer to the other OEMs which have Kaby Lake in their lineup.

But to have enough models stored to bypass supply difficulties, the production should start now, or even should have started already I suppose. Considering that there are no concrete rumours about June, it would be a surprise I would say.
It could be that we will see a quiet update in June/July without a conference (like we saw early this month), but I don't know how likely this will be.
 
I don't think there will be a "mid-2017" but rather this fall. Kaby Lake does not provide a huge boost in performance so I don't think you'll see radical numbers
I still wouldn't be surprised if they used 5 mins at the WWDC in June to say there updating the processors in the MBP line, we could very well see a mid 2017 model. This could easily cement Apples commitment to the MBP customer base especially with all the bad press they have been getting lately. I mean we are seeing things we have not seen from Apple in the past such as this open end meeting with Phil and Craig and their frank discussion. That doesn't happen often.
 
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