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No clue if that's normal or not for your country.. The screenshot I posted for the US is normal delivery time for a custom order..

It's not, it usually takes 1 week tops, actually, I checked last week and it showed me a 4-5 days delivery time. But this doesn't necessarily mean anything, of course.
 
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A while ago. Not so much more recently.

Sure it is.. I doubt Apple is going to be doing runs of machines that are getting replaced as they'd be ramping up production of the new machines. Unless you think Apple has unlimited manufacturing resources....
 
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Sure it is.. I doubt Apple is going to be doing runs of machines that are getting replaced as they'd be ramping up production of the new machines. Unless you think Apple has unlimited manufacturing resources....
I bought a 2017 MacBook last year. Delivery dates from the Apple online store for the 2016 MacBook stayed normal right up until WWDC, when the 2017 MacBook was announced.
 
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I bought a 2017 MacBook last year. Delivery dates from the Apple online store for the 2016 MacBook stayed normal right up until WWDC, when the 2017 MacBook was announced.

When I checked (if I remember correctly) the 2016 custom builds were 3 weeks out before the 2017's landed. Look I get it people want to believe the new machines are coming but past indications are that the previous version custom dates will slip when that get close to happening.

Of course who knows what Apple is going to do. They could silently update their website tonight with the new machines and no fanfare with shipping dates on them being a few weeks out..

Only Apple knows and they are not saying.. I am going to stick with a new Air getting release between now and June and the new MacBooks in November... Could I be wrong? Yup and I probably am but I don't think new MacBook Pros are anywhere even close to release..
 
When I checked (if I remember correctly) the 2016 custom builds were 3 weeks out before the 2017's landed. Look I get it people want to believe the new machines are coming but past indications are that the previous version custom dates will slip when that get close to happening.

Of course who knows what Apple is going to do. They could silently update their website tonight with the new machines and no fanfare with shipping dates on them being a few weeks out..

Only Apple knows and they are not saying.. I am going to stick with a new Air getting release between now and June and the new MacBooks in November... Could I be wrong? Yup and I probably am but I don't think new MacBook Pros are anywhere even close to release..
I didn't say I think the new MacBook Pros will be released at this edu event. In fact, I don't think they will. I'm still sticking with my prediction of Q2/Q3.

I was just saying that Apple Store delivery dates are not really a great indicator. Maybe sometimes they may provide a hint, but probably more often than not they may be misleading.
 
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I didn't say I think the new MacBook Pros will be released at this edu event.
I agree, and I think this is why it's wrong to see slipping ship dates and expect a new MBP at an education-focused event. Doesn't make much sense from a marketing perspective.
 
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I agree, and I think this is why it's wrong to see slipping ship dates and expect a new MBP at an education-focused event. Doesn't make much sense from a marketing perspective.

But that's the thing... The dates are NOT slipping at all.. One week for a custom order is exactly what I'd expect to see unless something was imminent. Oddly the Air's, which are rumored to be announced soon, are at the same one week custom order time frame.. It will be interesting to see IF the Air is announced at the event given custom order dates for the Air are not slipping either.
 
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But that's the thing... The dates are NOT slipping at all.. One week for a custom order is exactly what I'd expect to see unless something was imminent. Oddly the Air's, which are rumored to be announced soon, are at the same one week custom order time frame.. It will be interesting to see IF the Air is announced at the event given custom order dates for the Air are not slipping either.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Air either updated or discounted or both at the event.

The order dates for the Air haven't slipped, but I wouldn't use that to indicate that the Air won't be changed at the event.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Air either updated or discounted or both at the event.

The order dates for the Air haven't slipped, but I wouldn't use that to indicate that the Air won't be changed at the event.

They should just discontinue the Air and simplify the lineup. What would make sense to me is if they:
  • Drop the Air completely
  • Lower the price of the 12" Macbook to be closer to what the Air was
  • Release a 13" Macbook (with another port or two), at the same price point as what the 12" Macbook currently is at
 
They should just discontinue the Air and simplify the lineup. What would make sense to me is if they:
  • Drop the Air completely
  • Lower the price of the 12" Macbook to be closer to what the Air was
  • Release a 13" Macbook (with another port or two), at the same price point as what the 12" Macbook currently is at
I agree with your first two points, but then again I said that years ago and it didn't happen.

As for the 13" MacBook, Apple itself said that the non-TB 13" Pro was supposed to replace the 13" Air. I can't find the link right now, but it was a video interview with an Apple executive, I think Craig Federighi.

Indeed, the 13" MacBook Pro actually weighs the same as the 13" Air.
 
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I agree with your first two points, but then again I said that years ago and it didn't happen.

As for the 13" MacBook, Apple itself said that the non-TB 13" Pro was supposed to replace the 13" Air. I can't find the link right now, but it was a video interview with an Apple executive, I think Craig Federighi.

Indeed, the 13" MacBook Pro actually weighs the same as the 13" Air.

Good point - they are essentially the same weight so a 13" Macbook would not make sense.
 
I agree with your first two points, but then again I said that years ago and it didn't happen.

As for the 13" MacBook, Apple itself said that the non-TB 13" Pro was supposed to replace the 13" Air. I can't find the link right now, but it was a video interview with an Apple executive, I think Craig Federighi.

Indeed, the 13" MacBook Pro actually weighs the same as the 13" Air.
I believe they (Phil S) actually said it in the Oct 2016 keynote!
 
They should just discontinue the Air and simplify the lineup. What would make sense to me is if they:
  • Drop the Air completely
  • Lower the price of the 12" Macbook to be closer to what the Air was
  • Release a 13" Macbook (with another port or two), at the same price point as what the 12" Macbook currently is at
I wouldn’t mind this but the issue is that even at $999 the MacBook would pose some challenges for students with that one port. Granted they can buy the $70 adapter but that is just another reason for Apple to keep some sort of an Air like product around for $799 for students specifically. Who knows I’m excited though.
 
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I agree, and I think this is why it's wrong to see slipping ship dates and expect a new MBP at an education-focused event. Doesn't make much sense from a marketing perspective.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Air either updated or discounted or both at the event.

The order dates for the Air haven't slipped, but I wouldn't use that to indicate that the Air won't be changed at the event.

Craig Federighi made very clear in a recent interview that people should look at the MacBook Pro 13" as the real successor of the MB Air, so I don't see how apple could have a change of mind so quickly.

> 4'06"

They might present a new MacBook or MBP with lower entry point price at this education event. If they do, they could just say a few lines about the Pro line receiving a speed-bump as well.

In the last MBP update, they spent roughly 20 seconds speaking about MBPs, because they wanted all the hype to be around the iMac Pro.

> 43'00"

At this event, they could upgrade the MBP line with the excuse of it being a good machine for teachers (remember that this event is for both students and teachers, and teachers is a very broad term which might include professionals as well). The pro line is doing very well at the moment, so they could easily throw it wherever they feel it will not affect negatively other products that need more attention from the media.

That's just a speculation based on the recent past events and presentations. Although, the product updates between now and WWDC are so many, that I can see Apple having troubles to distribute the announcements on a marketing perspective.

They can't introduce too many products at WWDC because they would kill each other's market, they need to spread the hype. That's to say that they could introduce a refreshed product outside its usual environment, it could be the MBP but it could be something else. Or, they could push the MBP to November to have more space at WWDC.

Take what I said with a pinch of salt, it's just fun to speculate.
 
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Craig Federighi made very clear in a recent interview that people should look at the MacBook as the real successor of the MB Air, so I don't see how apple could have a change of mind so quickly.


That video is the one I was talking about in my other post actually. After the 4 minute mark, he talks about how the non-TB 13" Pro is a perfect machine for potential 13" Air users.

So maybe really the 12" and 13" non-TB are replacements for the Air, maybe as the replacements for the 11.6" and 13.3" respectively. As such, it'd be nice if they brought the price down on both.
 
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That video is the one I was talking about in my other post actually. After the 4 minute mark, he talks about how the non-TB 13" Pro is a perfect machine for potential 13" Air users.

So maybe really the 12" and 13" non-TB are replacements for the Air, maybe as the replacements for the 11.6" and 13.3" respectively. As such, it'd be nice if they brought the price down on both.

Bringing the price down means introducing a lower spec model in Apple language nowadays....
 
Bringing the price down means introducing a lower spec model in Apple language nowadays....
Not necessarily? I mean, we've seen both over the recent years from Apple. Back when the 5k iMac launched in late 2014, it cost like 300-500€ more than the comparable configurations cost of the 2017 one today. The price definitely did come down there. Similarly, we just had rumors about the iPhone X successor coming down in price compared to the X because of cheaper production costs.

In case of the rumored new entry-level MBs/MBPs, I could imagine that both happens. Maybe they lower the price of the current entry-level nonTB-MBP or 12" MB by 100€, and then add another even cheaper configuration below that for 100-200€ less with only 128GB of storage and maybe a slower processor. Without that, I can't really see them achieving that ≤ $1000 price range that has been rumored for these new entry-level models.
 
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Still believe prices at $2,700 in US should translate to £2,000 in UK for the current 15” 512gb model. It’s currently cheaper to travel from the UK to the US and purchase a MBP. Sort it Apple!

I totally agree with you. A base 15" MBP costs $2,399 in the USA but here in Italy it's much more expensive: €2,899 (with taxes), that is ~$3,600! That's insane!
 
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