Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[Frederik on MacRumors]

Hmm. I knew there was this 6 month split. I just never experienced it. I had some resistance with my tv in Germany (23 month old). Never experienced something like this in Denmark.

Nevertheless, provisioning risk is expensive for a company. Therefore, a higher price is somewhat justified. Just not as much as apple charges (thus, my suggesting they should include apple care).

 

[Poki]

Hmm. I knew there was this 6 month split. I just never experienced it. I had some resistance with my tv in Germany (23 month old). Never experienced something like this in Denmark.

Nevertheless, provisioning risk is expensive for a company. Therefore, a higher price is somewhat justified. Just not as much as apple charges (thus, my suggesting they should include apple care).

That's the point though - this law is not a valid explanation of why Apple products often are much more expensive in Europe. Most probably a better explanation is that Apple just wants to price their products high enough to make at least their US profit margin, even if currency conversion doesn't work out in their favor. The prices are still ridiculous, especially compared to the prices of some competitors.

 

[The Mercurian]

That's the point though - this law is not a valid explanation of why Apple products often are much more expensive in Europe. Most probably a better explanation is that Apple just wants to price their products high enough to make at least their US profit margin, even if currency conversion doesn't work out in their favor. The prices are still ridiculous, especially compared to the prices of some competitors.

...well...we know its not to cover income tax anyhow.....

 

[Poki]

...well...we know its not to cover income tax anyhow.....

Not that they pay the full amount anywhere, but even if they would, the difference isn't huge – most EU countries charge 25% corporate tax, while the US charges 21%. There are obviously a lot of ways to save tax in both regions, but as you said, tax doesn't explain the price difference either.

 

[Mr. Dee]

I had to pay US $250 taxes on a new 2017 MacBook Pro I bought.

 

[Conza]

I'm one of those crazy people, who has a 2013 MacBook Air, and loves it, but it is getting on, and I would go for a MBP TB IF it has dedicated graphics, Quad Core (I really hope this comes true), that's basically it, I could almost buy the current one, but at this time I'm resisting and holding out for whatever comes. If it is announced next week, fantastic, otherwise yeah I'll wait until WWDC 2018.

Yeah pretty sure we'll only get 16GB of ram, which I know, 32GB would be fantastic for future proofing, I'm someone who's looking to spend big, then go shopping again in 2023 or if I'm lucky 2024, so I'd love to go 32GB, but I don't think they'll want to given their comments regarding the ram controller, it'll probably still be LPDDR3? I could be happily wrong though.

EDIT: I really don't want a 4K screen though, that would be a shame, in my opinion, maybe it could handle it, but I'd like to have more than enough horsepower, and then if I want to connect to a 4K display/tv, it'll handle it, but on its own, a 4K display would eat into the battery quite significantly.

 

[apolloa]

Hmm I think lol see what comes out this year, really really really need to save some pennies and replace my 2010 MacBook Pro 15”!!! Lol. Really can’t afford an iMac Pro...

Will be cool to see six core CPUs and upgraded GPUs.

Is it possible to get a monitor with built in speakers that run over the USB C connection on the MB Pro, and it it capable of powering the monitor over USB C too?

 

[JTToft]

Is it possible to get a monitor with built in speakers that run over the USB C connection on the MB Pro, and it it capable of powering the monitor over USB C too?

- Yes.

 

[apolloa]

- Yes.

Cool..sounds great for cable management

 

[ashcairo]

Alright guys, this is me wishful thinking for a new release in March... if you try to order a 15" base model over here in Australia. The delivery date is the 27th of March...

 

[EugW]

Alright guys, this is me wishful thinking for a new release in March... if you try to order a 15" base model over here in Australia. The delivery date is the 27th of March...

Sorry to burst your bubble:

Today you can get a 15" Pro delivered in 2 hours to Beverly Hills.

 

[tsukeyomi]

Guys do you think the price of this year's gen will be higher or lower than what we currently have?

I'm EU based and I'm looking forward to make the big jump as a lifetime Windows/Linux user. I'll be purchasing the base 13" model (hopefully it will sport a Kaby Lake R quad-core i5 at least), so I'm wondering what are your bets on price and specs (perfectly aware I'm asking for wild guesses at most).

 

[alexqndr]

Alright guys, this is me wishful thinking for a new release in March... if you try to order a 15" base model over here in Australia. The delivery date is the 27th of March...

Sorry to burst your bubble:

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Today you can get a 15" Pro delivered in 2 hours to Beverly Hills.

The hype is real...

Although, the same model I bought with same day collection a week ago in London's main Apple Store, is now available only from the 26th.

The hype is very real.

 

[dgdosen]

Today you can get a 15" Pro delivered in 2 hours to Beverly Hills.

90210?

Donna, is that you?

 

[EugW]

 

[impulse462]

the 6 core option will be interesting. there are some rumored specs of a hypothetical i7-8700hq (the 15" pros have 7700hq in them right now) with the clock speeds a tad lower. curious if that is just an engineering sample or based on any truth.

i would definitely have to see benchmarks between 4 and 6 cores before upgrading. I remember the 2012 cheesegrater mac pro offered a variety of processors but for most situations it seemed like the 3.33ghz 6 core CPU was the best. a good mixture of fast processor speed and multiple cores

 

[TheralSadurns]

They should just discontinue the Air and simplify the lineup. What would make sense to me is if they:

• Drop the Air completely
• Lower the price of the 12" Macbook to be closer to what the Air was
• Release a 13" Macbook (with another port or two), at the same price point as what the 12" Macbook currently is at

Or... streamline it even more and have

12" MacBook
14" MacBook
14" MacBook Pro
16" MacBook Pro

While keeping the current footprints. At the same time increase the resolution of the 16" to 4k... and (almost all) 17" fans will be happy.
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- Do you have personal experience with this? Because what you say is not very representative of the way it works - at least here in Denmark.

You do not have to actually technically prove that the defect was present at purchase. You just have to make probable that you yourself did not cause the defect by abusing the equipment. That requirement is typically fulfilled simply if there is no substantial visible physical damage to the item. I haven't once in my life had a claim rejected because I wasn't able to satisfy the burden of proof.

It is true that it does not cover problems which did not exist at purchase. But it does cover defects that only manifest themselves after purchase but existed latently at purchase. This includes design errors which only affect the product after 1.5 years - say a failing keyboard on a 2016 MacBook Pro or a flawed GPU on a 2011 MacBook Pro or a cable which worked fine for a year but then becomes problematic due to poor design one month later.
In practice, this is no problem either.

In most cases, the 2-year Consumer Rights Protection is as good as a manufacturer warranty - and in many cases better.

Nah. Poki is right. The EU law IS useless. If individual countries have it work MORE in favor for the consumer, great. But that is up to the country's law then. If we strictly talk about what is enforced by the EU... it's only good for 6 months. After that... just as Poki said it is basically useless.
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I think you are confusing it with the UK. AFAIK, within the EU, there is no 6 month rule — as a costumer, you are entitled to a repair or replacement — free of charge — if the product is not functioning as reasonably expected within the 24 months from purchase. The is of course the nuance of what constitutes "reasonably expected", but in practice, I never had any issues with the 24-month warranty in any EU country.

Nah, it is like Poki said. Again. Individual retailers or companies might be more lenient, but that is it. Plus A LOT of products (not Apple products) come with TWO actual years of warranty.
The 24 month EU thingy is also explicitly NOT called warranty.

The German word does not even translate to English.
Warranty = Garantie
??? = Gewährleistung (this is what the EU gives you... which is utterly pointless).

So ya, in essence. There is ZERO reason to argue. The law clearly states what Poki said.
EU law: First 6 months the SELLER has to prove it is NOT faulty. You basically can get EVERYTHING replaced no questions asked. 6-24 month... YOU have to prove that the defect was ALREADY THERE the moment you got your product handed over. Which is virtually impossible. The ONLY way you can ever really prove that if it is really a defect based on a complete misconstruction or a known bad batch of things. Which is what Apple generally covers anyways (like the old MacBook's Top Case, Unibody MacBook's Bottom Case, ~2011 MacBook Pro ATI Graphics etc.). Other than that... good look PROVING the defect is a design error or something.
The only other way is to go the class action legal route. But that, again, does not exist in Germany in THIS form, where you can simply easily join in etc..

For more details on this (sorry for only providing German links here...):
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_de.htm
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewährleistung

 

[Ries]

Or... streamline it even more and have

12" MacBook
14" MacBook
14" MacBook Pro
16" MacBook Pro

While keeping the current footprints. At the same time increase the resolution of the 16" to 4k... and (almost all) 17" fans will be happy.
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Nah. Poki is right. The EU law IS useless. If individual countries have it work MORE in favor for the consumer, great. But that is up to the country's law then. If we strictly talk about what is enforced by the EU... it's only good for 6 months. After that... just as Poki said it is basically useless.
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Nah, it is like Poki said. Again. Individual retailers or companies might be more lenient, but that is it. Plus A LOT of products (not Apple products) come with TWO actual years of warranty.
The 24 month EU thingy is also explicitly NOT called warranty.

The German word does not even translate to English.
Warranty = Garantie
??? = Gewährleistung (this is what the EU gives you... which is utterly pointless).

So ya, in essence. There is ZERO reason to argue. The law clearly states what Poki said.
EU law: First 6 months the SELLER has to prove it is NOT faulty. You basically can get EVERYTHING replaced no questions asked. 6-24 month... YOU have to prove that the defect was ALREADY THERE the moment you got your product handed over. Which is virtually impossible. The ONLY way you can ever really prove that if it is really a defect based on a complete misconstruction or a known bad batch of things. Which is what Apple generally covers anyways (like the old MacBook's Top Case, Unibody MacBook's Bottom Case, ~2011 MacBook Pro ATI Graphics etc.). Other than that... good look PROVING the defect is a design error or something.
The only other way is to go the class action legal route. But that, again, does not exist in Germany in THIS form, where you can simply easily join in etc..

For more details on this (sorry for only providing German links here...):
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_de.htm
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewährleistung

Not true, in my country, if there is a dispute, you can bring the case in front of a panel where experts are asked (for like $20). The Panel is non binding for the companies, but after that you can escalate to a court and they always side with the panel.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/05/danish-consumer-agency-proves-ibook-defect-demands-refunds/

 

[Conza]

Or... streamline it even more and have

12" MacBook
14" MacBook
14" MacBook Pro
16" MacBook Pro

I like it, but I reckon just lower the Pro's to their current inch sizes and that'd be perfect

12" MacBook
14" MacBook
13" MacBook Pro
15" MacBook Pro

When you think about the MBA it was 11.6inches and 13.3inches, so it's not that much of a stretch going to 12 inches, 0.7inches for a larger MB? Sure why not?

 

[windows12]

The hype is real...

Although, the same model I bought with same day collection a week ago in London's main Apple Store, is now available only from the 26th.

The hype is very real.

Well, according to the buyer's guide we are pretty close to the average release time and a June release would put it at 363 days since the last update and apparently it never takes that long unless there's a redesign coming, which is not.

 

[Poki]

Well, according to the buyer's guide we are pretty close to the average release time and a June release would put it at 363 days since the last update and apparently it never takes that long unless there's a redesign coming, which is not.

Exactly, if you don't count the almost two year wait before the last redesign, the average is closer to 250 days, which we have passed more than a month ago.

 

[cool11]

European customers suffer from insanely high prices in Apple products. No comparison with how much easier and 'relatively' cheaper they are sold in USA.
Apple somehow should take care about it, to make it more affordable for Europe.

 

[Frederik on MacRumors]

I like it, but I reckon just lower the Pro's to their current inch sizes and that'd be perfect

12" MacBook
14" MacBook
13" MacBook Pro
15" MacBook Pro

When you think about the MBA it was 11.6inches and 13.3inches, so it's not that much of a stretch going to 12 inches, 0.7inches for a larger MB? Sure why not?

Second that! I would love a 14” MacBook. 12” is too small but the 15” is too powerful (hence, I would pay for more then I need). Moreover, it would kind of fit into the whole apple thing. To have a notebook for every inch...

 

[afir93]

Second that! I would love a 14” MacBook. 12” is too small but the 15” is too powerful (hence, I would pay for more then I need). Moreover, it would kind of fit into the whole apple thing. To have a notebook for every inch...

Would love that aswell, would be curious what the battery life would be with a terraced battery in a 14" MB chassis. Although with the 12" MBs already being more expensive than the 13" entry-level models, I don't want to imagine what the price for such a 14" model would be and how it would contrast to the amount of CPU/GPU power you get.

 

[The Mercurian]

Guys do you think the price of this year's gen will be higher or lower than what we currently have?

I'm EU based and I'm looking forward to make the big jump as a lifetime Windows/Linux user. I'll be purchasing the base 13" model (hopefully it will sport a Kaby Lake R quad-core i5 at least), so I'm wondering what are your bets on price and specs (perfectly aware I'm asking for wild guesses at most).

Tough to call. Generally speaking if its a new design with new features (touchbar) they tend to jack up the price. If it is simply a spec bump they might lower the price a bit but not usually but more than €100 or so. Some think that adding cores will bump up the price however I don't because so far other manufacturers have not done this on the quad core 13"'s that have been released. My best guess is that the prices will stay more-or-less that same.