6 core, 32 ram, integrated gpu only, external bluetooth keyboard-like keys. That would be the dream for me.
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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13” 4 Core, the 16 RAM, integrated GPU, and the same keyboard as the Magic Keyboard, that’s the dream for me!!!
I feel like the short distance is related - a small travel means less rebound force means it takes less crap in the mechanism to produce enough friction to cause the keycap to stick. Also a smaller travel means tighter tolerances are required to make sure the key actuates properly - tighter tolerances also mean the mechanism would be more prone to becoming stuck from debris getting into it. Obviously this is just speculation, but it makes logical sense to me.
The 2017 keyboards are certainly better, but something like the magic keyboard mechanism in the MBP would be the best solution for me.
I don't think these two things necessarily equal each other. Apple most likely won't backpaddle to thicker MBPs only to give the keyboard more travel; I'd rather expect a "butterfly keyboard v3" of sorts that will eliminate or at the very least greatly decrease the failure rates and maybe tweak some other things. Apple has had some good ideas for making the new keyboards more reliable as far back as fall of 2016, around the original MBP 2016 release, without making them thicker. It's very possible that in the 1.5 years since then, they have implemented those or similar ideas.
I feel similarly, but on the other hand only 71 days left till WWDC which seems the most likely date now. Little over two months. Personally, after waiting since fall of last year, that should be a bearable wait, I hopeStarting to not be able to withstand the wait.
For hexa core CPUs and (hopefully) fixed keyboard issues, that sounds like a worthwhile wait.
Me too - That would be my dream scenario here..
I love the Magic Keyboard and I also find it to be my lower limit on travel/feedback.
Any less key travel and feedback and I really don't enjoy the typing before too long.
Also, the MKB uses tried and true, reliable, scissor switches.
I really wish they'd just realize a misstep with the butterflies and put essentially the MKB in the laptops.
32GB of DDR4 might be the most important feature.
I'd like them to get rid of the new touch-key bar except for the power/touch-id key. I find these fancy virtual keys absolutely worthless. It took a long time to get used to hitting the ESC key (for vi editor), but I always have to look for the other keys.
I'd like them to get rid of the new touch-key bar except for the power/touch-id key. I find these fancy virtual keys absolutely worthless. It took a long time to get used to hitting the ESC key (for vi editor), but I always have to look for the other keys.
Thinking the same here.
Magic Keyboard + previous arrows keys would be the perfect combination of thinness, reliability, and usability.
32 GB will not come to the MacBook Pro in 2018. As mentioned, the technology is not ready yet.
Only because Apple insists on the lower powered RAM though..
As they should.
That depends upon your desires and needs for the MBP and a portable workstation..
There's room in the Mac notebook market for a wider swath of offerings than they currently have.
Depends which CPU they decide to go with (Coffee or Cannon). Cannon Lake has LPDDR4 support, along with support for 32gb. LPDDR4 would give some power savings over LPDDR3, while allowing faster RAM speeds as well (the integrated GPU would see a boost from faster RAM speeds). Depending on how truthful Intel was about claiming they started shipping Cannon Lake parts at the end of 2017, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say we may see those parts in the 2018 MBP.
Personally, I think they should shrink the Mac laptop product line.
No full Cannon Lake product line appropriate for the MacBook Pro for 2018 Q2. Furthermore, many believe there will NEVER be a full Cannon Lake product line appropriate for the MacBook Pro, and that Intel will jump straight from Coffee Lake to Ice Lake for most SKUs. Ice Lake won't appear in Macs until 2019.
Ironically we might be arguing for same thing..
They could increase the diversity of the offerings while simultaneously reducing the number of SKUs.
(that's pretty anti Tim Cook's Apple though)
They simply offer too many models that are all too similar in their design choices
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How does that help? Why not have more choice? Other companies much smaller than Apple can do it. They are all just variations on the ultra-portable at present.
I think the MacBook Air should be killed off, and I don't think they should offer a 32 GB non-LPDDR4 Mac*. Just because a company can increase the offerings in their product line doesn't mean they should.
I look at some of the offerings at say Dell, and a good 75% of the stuff they offer is junk. It makes it really annoying to shop on their website, because you have to sift through so much junk.
*I wouldn't be completely against a 32 GB non-LPDDR MacBook Pro, but I don't see why Apple would actually offer it. The sales numbers likely wouldn't justify it, especially considering it would be a product release for one year only. Furthermore, 32 GB is coming next year, so they may as well just wait.
I dont' understand the Dell comparison..
More offerings ≠ Junk
What's to say that Dell wouldn't be offering "junk" if they only had 2 models total?
It's a Dell problem you are describing, not a "number of offerings" problem..
Similarly, Ford could offer only 1 model and that certainly would not guarantee higher quality than any of the various BMW's (or pick you favorite example of nice car)
It's junk. For example, they sell a bazillion HD-endowed models, with no way of upgrading the HD to SSD. However, you have to sift through all that to find the models you want.
It makes for a really painful shopping experience.
I agree Dell is junk, but it's not because they offer a lot of options/models.
I contend that they'd be selling junk if they only had a single model to sell.
You seemed to use the Dell example as a way to imply that if Apple offered less options it might lead to higher quality (or vice versa) and I just don't agree with that premise here.
If Apple offered a 32 GB model, it would be worse quality (mediocre battery life).
They offer the MacBook Air, and it is worse quality (mediocre screen).
They should have one product (with maybe a few upgrade options) for each segment they are targetting (web browsing media consumers, professional video/audio producers, software developers). If that ends up shrinking the lineup, great, but what it really needs is focus.
in 2008 they already had this. macbook air for people who value thinness and portability. 13" macbook for "normal" web browsing media consumers. 15" macbook pro for power users.
not sure why the line is so diluted now. theres a nonTB 13" "pro" which is supposed to replace the dying macbook air, a 12" retina macbook which doesn't really fill any niche and an underpowered 13" macbook pro.
i think their lineup should be similar to 2008, just with a super cheap macbook for educational markets. they wouldn't even need to differentiate between a 13" air and 13" macbook since technology right now is at the point where their uses should overlap.