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The lacklustre response to the Touch Bar may persuade Apple to take a different route. But a touch keyboard is definitely where Apple have been heading. Haptic feedback on mobiles and track pads along with the Touch Bar itself... the pieces are all there slowly coming together.

You’re probably right but I hope not.

When you touch type your fingers ‘feel’ the keys and not having any physical keys to lock onto is detrimental to that.

I would be ok about the keys being really shallow. I know that some people out there prefer the older keyboard with a lot of travel (and even mechanical keyboards) but that’s definitely gone by the wayside.

A Haptic soft keyboard on the iPad Pro would be good though!
 
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So which one?

Good point.

I’m not going to claim to be an expert on intel chips & chipsets (so please do correct me if I’m wrong) but I think the below is likely:

  • G series i5 (13) and i7 (15) w/ the built in Radeon.
  • x1 top end 15 inch model using the H series i7 and a separate gfx card
  • All will be sold with the understanding that if you need more GFX power, you should get a eGPU
 
Thats a reasonable way to understand this moniker, but then we'd have to agree that Apple laptops were never "Pro". They could never compete with proper workstations in the horsepower and out of the box I/O categories. MacBook Pro was always a compact ultraportable computer with a rather decent CPU, decent but mid-range GPU, very good display and very good battery lifetime. Jack of all trades if you want. Something that you could plug in to do some reasonably serious work, but also something that you could carry around all day without too much effort. Thats was the design of the MBP even back in the day when it was called the PowerBook, and that is exactly the design of the MBP today. The core idea and the position within the market has not changed a bit.

I think that is what people needed - a jack of all trades that had enough power to deal with intensive professional work - and nobody did it better than Apple before. Yes you could get something far more powerful which may have done your decoding 15 seconds quicker but was either not mobile, didn’t have the battery’s life, didn’t have the screen quality, durability, even having a very comfortable keyboards and usable track pad should you be on the go etc. It perfectly compromised things to have a machine comfortable to use but still very powerful, powerful enough that you rarely felt bottle necked.

I go back to 2014 when I bought my rMBP 15” for development work, I was a Windows dev but even I succumbed to this machine because it simply offered more than every windows laptop overall.

Since Skylake, I think this is no longer the case - they have made compromises that weren’t required but has affected power, durability, productivity, flexibility etc one way or another for meaningless gains (imo). They lost the balance. They have regressed in even the keyboard and trackpad, ports, touch bar and that oh so genius MagSafe, at least for my use case.

I just want it to go back to being dominant in the market at the cost of being more £££ (money no object for us who use these machines for work). Right now, objectively I find Windows laptop are superior overall.
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I don't disagree with your definition, but I think the MacBook Pro can fit this definition, depending on exactly what you need to get done on the go. I think we can agree that the speed of the SSD and of the I/O are pretty much as fast as possible by today's technology.

And, as a full time graphic designer, I can say that the current CPU, GPU and RAM are sufficient for a huge portion of graphic design work. InDesign still isn't properly multi threaded anyway. GPU acceleration isn't supported in most of Adobe's CC when working in CMYK color spaces, which means the GPU doesn't matter for any work destined for print. There's a long list of things you can do on the MacBook Pro. And for the few you can't, there are usually workarounds (like using an eGPU).

I'm not saying the MacBook Pro fits all workflows. I'm just saying that it still fits a large part of the creative professional community, and if you specifically need to get 3D renderings done on the go (although I doubt the battery would last until a complex rendering would finish anyway), then you don't need a "pro" notebook, but a proper mobile workstation.

I think you are correct to say it can still fullfill many if not the majority of professionals today and I won’t dispute that - rather what has gone wrong since 2016 is that there are now very good alternatives, ones I think are leading the way at present. The current crop has also regressed in various features (keyboard/trackpad, battery capacity, ports, no mag safe, SSD soldered). Oh and that dreaded touch bar!
 
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Fair point. Are your expectations realistic?

I'm not expecting Apple to produce a fully loaded portable workstation, I would however like to see Apple produce a more usable MBP with port diversity, full capacity battery & reliable keyboard with sensible travel.

Arguably Apple had a near perfect mix with the 2012 chassis; update the internals & display, replace TB-2 with USB C/TB-3, would have been a tremendously usable Mac for all. Sadly Apple prioritised the aesthetic to wow the masses, nor is it surprising why many professionals are not too pleased, as the current MBP is simply a less usable & reliable product...

Unfortunately Apple only has one vision now, for many professionals just being thinner & lighter is simply not enough, with fewer remaining on the platform. Personally I wont be at all surprised to see that the number drop again, given Apple no longer has a flexible portable solution.

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I highly doubt it, the Touch Bar models of the MacBook Pro have sold well and i doubt Apple will go back on this just because a select number of people complain in a forum.

I'm actually expecting the opposite... If they wanna increase the amount of people using the Touch Bar they gotta include it in every single Mac (maybe outside of the 12")

If they want people to take this Bar serious they gotta put it in every model to increase the user base to convince developers to work for it
 
I highly doubt it, the Touch Bar models of the MacBook Pro have sold well and i doubt Apple will go back on this just because a select number of people complain in a forum.

If apple released high spec models without the TB at a slightly lower price point than high spec models with the TB at the current price points, it would be interesting to see if the market is willing to pay for that feature.

My guess is that they wouldn’t in any great numbers and would choose the non TB models.
 
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I'm actually expecting the opposite... If they wanna increase the amount of people using the Touch Bar they gotta include it in every single Mac (maybe outside of the 12")

If they want people to take this Bar serious they gotta put it in every model to increase the user base to convince developers to work for it
Totally agree.

I don't think they'd remove so quickly - I think we'll see it in 2018 no matter what...but if the 2018 MBP is the only model in the 2018 lineup to get TB, then this is a clear sign they are admitting that TB is a failure, and we won't see it on the refresh next year / in 2020. I was, frankly, shocked to not find it on the iMac Pro. Made me even more concerned for the longevity of the current MBP. We'll find out in 6 weeks I guess (I certainly hope!).
 
How likely will we get a MBP with Nvidia GPU and perhaps also 32GB RAM this year?

Read the previous pages mate, NVIDIA ain't happening because AMD has a deal going on with Apple to make exclusisve LOW TDP dGPUs.

Regarding the 32GB it's gonna be impossible due to the platform which is mandated by Intel. Only on a high end system would be possible

As it stands neither the 13" or 15" will have DDR4 until Cannon Lake.

Totally agree.

I don't think they'd remove so quickly - I think we'll see it in 2018 no matter what...but if the 2018 MBP is the only model in the 2018 lineup to get TB, then this is a clear sign they are admitting that TB is a failure, and we won't see it on the refresh next year / in 2020. I was, frankly, shocked to not find it on the iMac Pro. Made me even more concerned for the longevity of the current MBP. We'll find out in 6 weeks I guess (I certainly hope!).

Exactly, they aren't giving up with it but I could see some sort of redesign regarding it with maybe including Taptic Engine on it.

Plus expect a Keyboard overhaul this year or next one according to Jonny Ive hearing our complaints
 
How likely will we get a MBP with Nvidia GPU and perhaps also 32GB RAM this year?
0.05%. Because nothing is impossible when they have a few billion in the bank.

They had a spat with Nvidia and stopped using them - I don't see this changing any time soon.

LPDDR3 doesn't support 32GB and Apple historically doesn't use DDR4 (which does) due to prioritizing battery life over power.

But - if Nvidia + 32 GB are a must for you - you're almost certainly better off looking at something like a Gigabyte Aero 15X or MSI GSI-65 or similar instead of MBP.
 
0.05%. Because nothing is impossible when they have a few billion in the bank.

They had a spat with Nvidia and stopped using them - I don't see this changing any time soon.

LPDDR3 doesn't support 32GB and Apple historically doesn't use DDR4 (which does) due to prioritizing battery life over power.

But - if Nvidia + 32 GB are a must for you - you're almost certainly better off looking at something like a Gigabyte Aero 15X or MSI GSI-65 or similar instead of MBP.

Problem is NVIDIA doesn't have low TDP chips below the 1030.

Not just that, but remember the upcoming OS Beta only has AMD dGPU code written all over it not even a single mention of NVIDIA at all, heck they don't even "support" NVIDIA eGPUs as it stands right now.

If you need NVIDIA due to the Cuda Cores, you better off with Windows to start with anyways
 
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I'm actually expecting the opposite... If they wanna increase the amount of people using the Touch Bar they gotta include it in every single Mac (maybe outside of the 12")

If they want people to take this Bar serious they gotta put it in every model to increase the user base to convince developers to work for it

Well there was a rumour that Apple were working on a Touch Bar Keyboard for the iMac, how true this tho I have no idea. I’m not sure it would be well suited to the 12” MacBook maybe an updated Air?
 
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Well there was a rumour that Apple were working on a Touch Bar Keyboard for the iMac, how true this tho I have no idea. I’m not sure it would be well suited to the 12” MacBook maybe an updated Air?

If the Air is supposed to hit the 999€ / 999$ then i'm highly doubting that it happens.

It's supposed to be a feature on the "high-end" models like the Pro Line
 
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And I’m rapidly rowing back from my inductive charging idea for MBPs as it’s obviously crazy to provide charging that tops out at 10w for such a powerful and power demanding machine.

Too much coffee today... that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it!
I'm actually not sure why so many people here are opposed to the idea of wireless charging on a laptop. I mean sure, the technology isn't quite there yet to have something like a giant wireless charging mat that provides enough power and all, but that might change a couple years down the road and from a user-perspective, it absolutely makes sense to have a feature that's so popular on mobile phones (and rightfully so) move on to "larger" devices aswell.

Imagine pulling your MBP out of your backpack when you reach your home or workplace, putting it on the table like you usually would anyway when you gotta use it – and that's it. There's no step 2, it automatically starts charging from whatever charging mat you have lying on the table. You don't have to fiddle around with a cable that might get tangled, you don't have to plug anything into your MacBook or even reach for an outlet. And on top of that it frees up an additional slot on your machine that you can use for other purposes. Wired charging would never go away as an option, but I don't get why some people here are so opposed to this idea becoming a reality one day.
 
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If the Air is supposed to hit the 999€ / 999$ then i'm highly doubting that it happens.

It's supposed to be a feature on the "high-end" models like the Pro Line

Good point! Although a lot of people are not sure what’s happening with those for example there is rumoured to be a 13” version of the MacBook, does that mean the 12” goes away or simply drops in price? Do they still keep the Air and drop it to $899 or do they discontinue it altogether.
 
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0.05%. Because nothing is impossible when they have a few billion in the bank.

They had a spat with Nvidia and stopped using them - I don't see this changing any time soon.

LPDDR3 doesn't support 32GB and Apple historically doesn't use DDR4 (which does) due to prioritizing battery life over power.

But - if Nvidia + 32 GB are a must for you - you're almost certainly better off looking at something like a Gigabyte Aero 15X or MSI GSI-65 or similar instead of MBP.


They should have two lines of products. The MacBook PRO for power hunger users and the MacBook for those who don't need the power and prefer slim body. I think it was like that when the "MacBook" series first came out about 15? years ago. Then, people started calling MacBook PRO MacBook and Apple gone crazy prioritizing form over function.
 
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