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Don't see any reason for them to change anything they've been doing so far.

This is totally fair - they are, apparently, selling like hotcakes. Also - I'm glad this formula seems to so nicely suit your needs - that's fantastic. I'm just suggesting that it is both a nice idea, and 100% feasible, to offer both the machine that so wonderfully suits your needs, and one that meets other peoples' needs. Obviously, this is less profitable though - so perhaps simply won't happen. So be it.. but this is disappointing. But hey, I'm not the target market it seems. It just seems so odd that so many other companies are able to find multiple targets.
 
Apple needs to turn its Pro devices into serious Pro devices. Yes, they are thin enough, so it is not a size issue but more on what the device can do and how it works.
With support for eGPUs and TB3, base model MBPs can be expanded to take on machine learning, 3D graphics, practically anything I can think of that would be considered ‘Pro’.

Apple’s path seems to be to focus on external vice internal solutions for upgrades. It can be argued that their path may be wrong, but not that they don’t provide Pro machines.
 
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With support for eGPUs and TB3, base model MBPs can be expanded to take on machine learning, 3D graphics, practically anything I can think of that would be considered ‘Pro’.

Apple’s path seems to be to focus on external vice internal solutions for upgrades. It can be argued that their path may be wrong, but not that they don’t provide Pro machines.

Apples path is also high end consumer machines, which is fine.

However I do strongly believe there is a massive opportunity to blend the MBP and Mac Pro through utilising a TB3 monitor with an swappable external GPU built in. So both pro machines share the same GPU.

Makes sense to me and would be my dream machine. OK power on the road and great power at the desk. Really just blending a screen and egpu into one super simple product.

We all know I am destined for disappointment.
 
Guys & gals, I often see comments to the point of MBP no longer being "Pro" machines. Rarely, if ever, is this followed up by anything very tangible. Yes it's often followed up by some wish list for better specs, but it's rarely clear how those extra specs translate into something more "Pro". I may be borderline crazy for appealing to a forum for actual information, but I'm genuinely curious how far off the current gen MBP actually is. For me as a programmer the MBP easily meets what I need, with the possible exception of the keyboard/touch bar thing. But I'm probably also not the norm.

What are these "Pro" features?

I'm assuming "Pro" means using the MBP to generate your main income. So it would be nice if you'd all tell your story how a different spec MBP would either increase your revenue, or increase the work you can do in a day.

Or do you more value reliability, robustness, data security, service/repair times, and so on. And how does the MBP meet these?
 
You can get a 1.8kg laptop with top of the line CPU, 1GB fast SSD, wide-gamut screen and 1.3 Gbit/s wireless for less? Where?

I get 32GB (+usable ports) + 10x better keyboard (with real Esc/Fn keys) easily on so many laptops. I dont care if it is 1.8 kgs oe 2.1 Kgs. I get far more usable pro machine, instead of something which is thinner and lighter for the sake of it
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As am I, dreaming of a 17" MBP with 32GBs and 6-cores, but due to input from others on this site, I'm starting to rethink my approach to what would be win-win with regard to 'future proofed' computing.

I still have the 17inch from late 2011. The anti glare screen is so much pleasant
 
Guys & gals, I often see comments to the point of MBP no longer being "Pro" machines. Rarely, if ever, is this followed up by anything very tangible. Yes it's often followed up by some wish list for better specs, but it's rarely clear how those extra specs translate into something more "Pro". I may be borderline crazy for appealing to a forum for actual information, but I'm genuinely curious how far off the current gen MBP actually is. For me as a programmer the MBP easily meets what I need, with the possible exception of the keyboard/touch bar thing. But I'm probably also not the norm.

What are these "Pro" features?

I'm assuming "Pro" means using the MBP to generate your main income. So it would be nice if you'd all tell your story how a different spec MBP would either increase your revenue, or increase the work you can do in a day.

Or do you more value reliability, robustness, data security, service/repair times, and so on. And how does the MBP meet these?

Here is what pro means to me:

Pro: I pay more money for a lower spec'd PC than competitors, I expect a high, if not the highest quality product.
Pro: I cannot have my keyboard fail at a client site, or while teaching in a classroom. having to goto a store on a work trip for a $6 can of compressed air and play service technician in my hotel room is not "pro".
Pro: I need actual physical ports to connect to client devices, output video - and not be stuck because I forgot an adapter. its embarrassing.
Pro: Not having a bunch of ****** dongles hanging off my computer.
Pro: Having a company switch over to a single style port, and offer very few 1st party solutions - none are elegant - to solve the problem. Things like docks - which 3rd party companies bring to the table - at a minimum cost of $150-$200. Apple doesn't have a 1st party dock.
Pro: Having class leading processors in form factors.
Pro: Not afraid to be a little heavier it it means bigger processors, better cooling, best keyboards, better port selections.
Pro: for a company that prides itself on targeting creative types - it has absolutely no active pen/stylus options for presenters or artists. it even sells a multitude of tablets with pen support - and no 1st party means of using those tablets as a 2nd screen/graphics pad with a stylus.
Pro: I can spin up multiple virtual machines or run emulators with the option of having up to 32gb ram. The 13" is a fantastic form factor - many other companies offer quad core low voltage processors - the 13" is stuck with a dual core low voltage - quantify for me how that is "pro".

The confirmation of this issue is the 2015 15" MBP is still being sold. Why would you continue to sell a 3 year old model as current when you have a current one in the same size - thats Apples admittance right there.
 
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Guys & gals, I often see comments to the point of MBP no longer being "Pro" machines. Rarely, if ever, is this followed up by anything very tangible. Yes it's often followed up by some wish list for better specs, but it's rarely clear how those extra specs translate into something more "Pro". I may be borderline crazy for appealing to a forum for actual information, but I'm genuinely curious how far off the current gen MBP actually is. For me as a programmer the MBP easily meets what I need, with the possible exception of the keyboard/touch bar thing. But I'm probably also not the norm.

What are these "Pro" features?

I'm assuming "Pro" means using the MBP to generate your main income. So it would be nice if you'd all tell your story how a different spec MBP would either increase your revenue, or increase the work you can do in a day.

Or do you more value reliability, robustness, data security, service/repair times, and so on. And how does the MBP meet these?

Very difficult question to answer generically as each and everyone has unique needs and workflows:

Scalability:
All Mac's now seriously lack scalability, with near zero upgrade path. For some 16Gb of RAM is more than enough, others simply need more for a multitude or reasons, same applies to storage. Personally I wouldn't drop back down to 16Gb on a 15" class notebook, having 32Gb allows me to run more applications across multiple desktops, ultimately being more productive. Same applies for storage, I can expand in both performance and size, with multiple drives, Pro's like scalability.

Ports:
USB C is simply not ubiquitous nor does Apple provide a realistic docking solution, rather leaving third parties to fill the void with whatever. Dongle's and adaptor's are just a necessary evil, nor guaranteed to work 100% of the time. USB C simply allows Apple to exercise it's design language "thinner to the cost of everything else" little else, and arguably another revenue stream.

Battery:
For a 15" notebook battery capacity should be maximal, reducing the capacity purely for aesthetic purpose ultimately speaks volumes for Apple's path with the MBP. No matter how people "spin" it 25% less capacity is 25% less runtime under any given load, period.

GPU:
Many would prefer a stronger dGPU in a $3K notebook, equally never has been, and never will be the MBP's strongpoint. Now with USB C powertrain will never happen, due the limited power delivery of 100W, so mediocre GPU's will remain. eGPU is a solution and made sense once, however with mobile GPU's now close to their desktop counterparts performance not so much now. I rather think that having a performant GPU in the notebook is vastly preferential to an external box, given notebooks are designed to be portable.

Reliability:
Speaks for itself, new Keyboard is a disaster, adding insult to injury that it could have been easily avoided had Apple not been so absolutely fixated on just making a thinner notebook. Another factor is the turnaround time and recidivism, failing is one thing, same failure post repair simply points to design flaws.

The MBP was once a very balanced notebook, hence it's popularity with "professional's", however the balance has firmly shifted to a for more "throwaway" consumer orientated product. The obsession with being thinner now significantly impacting both usability and reliability. Arguably the MBP remains the choice for many, equally many are also leaving the platform for the above reasons. People who purchase their own hardware for work purpose tend to be more focussed on the value the machine offers and this is where the MBP now really lacks being a far more time limited, narrower focused product.

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Here is what pro means to me:

Pro: I pay more money for a lower spec'd PC than competitors, I expect a high, if not the highest quality product.
Pro: I cannot have my keyboard fail at a client site, or while teaching in a classroom. having to goto a store on a work trip for a $6 can of compressed air and play service technician in my hotel room is not "pro".
Pro: I need actual physical ports to connect to client devices, output video - and not be stuck because I forgot an adapter. its embarrassing.
Pro: Not having a bunch of ****** dongles hanging off my computer.
Pro: Having a company switch over to a single style port, and offer very few 1st party solutions - none are elegant - to solve the problem. Things like docks - which 3rd party companies bring to the table - at a minimum cost of $150-$200. Apple doesn't have a 1st party dock.
Pro: Having class leading processors in form factors.
Pro: Not afraid to be a little heavier it it means bigger processors, better cooling, best keyboards, better port selections.
Pro: for a company that prides itself on targeting creative types - it has absolutely no active pen/stylus options for presenters or artists. it even sells a multitude of tablets with pen support - and no 1st party means of using those tablets as a 2nd screen/graphics pad with a stylus.
Pro: I can spin up multiple virtual machines or run emulators with the option of having up to 32gb ram. The 13" is a fantastic form factor - many other companies offer quad core low voltage processors - the 13" is stuck with a dual core low voltage - quantify for me how that is "pro".

The confirmation of this issue is the 2015 15" MBP is still being sold. Why would you continue to sell a 3 year old model as current when you have a current one in the same size - thats Apples admittance right there.

Thank you, that's all very tangible. One thing that comes to mind immediately is that different pros need different configurations. Someone doing presentations needs video out. IT engineer might really need USB Type A. Someone doing music needs Midi in and out, though I suppose that means USB. Photographers need SD-card. The pen is another good example. Nobody really needs all the ports, but almost everyone needs *some* special connectivity. And few really prefer dongles.

What if Apple allowed configurable ports. Every model came with USB-C, but then there's the option of adding... maybe two more ports, or whatever size allows. And you'd choose the ports yourself, as a BTO option or whatever. This doesn't seem all that difficult to achieve, and I'm sure it could be done efficiently.

Pen/stylus input option should really be standard on every MacBook. And actually, for presenters, it would be very neat to be able to remote control the MBP from an iPad. And why don't MBP come with a remote control in the box, for media or presentations?

This does lead me to think that pros are often not just in need of various input/output devices, but they are also masters of these devices. For me it's the keyboard. I type A LOT faster than most regular users. I can type faster than I can speak to a computer. And obviously never looking at keys. I can't be anywhere near as productive with typing on a phone or an iPad without a keyboard, and presumably the TB has the same problem.
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Very difficult question to answer generically as each and everyone has unique needs and workflows:

Thank you, you make some very good points. A couple of things come to mind again. One being configurability and value. With the pro being more oriented towards a specific (set of) work task, and everyone having someone different needs, looking at Apple's very limited configuration options this seems to be a clear mismatch. Especially since the pro is also more concerned about value/ROI, and would probably not really want to pay too much for unused features. It seems like they should really rethink the whole configurability of the MBP, come up with a clever way to let the user configure the device more, while still keeping it cost effective. This does seem like an area that need innovation, but also one that should be quite doable without compromising cost of manufacturing too much.

The other thing that comes to mind is scalability. I think Apple's strategy to ask so much extra for commodities like RAM and disk storage (or CPU cores for that matter) is bothering a lot of people. It's not like Apple's RAM is adding a lot more value than HP RAM or Lenovo RAM. And since it's also such an easy thing to compare, it's easy to understand why this can be hard to swallow.

So I guess stating the obvious here, but Apple is asking a lot extra in areas where they're not really adding much value (service/repair being another), and they're not really adding all that much additional value in other areas to make up for it.
 
Guys & gals, I often see comments to the point of MBP no longer being "Pro" machines. Rarely, if ever, is this followed up by anything very tangible. Yes it's often followed up by some wish list for better specs, but it's rarely clear how those extra specs translate into something more "Pro". I may be borderline crazy for appealing to a forum for actual information, but I'm genuinely curious how far off the current gen MBP actually is. For me as a programmer the MBP easily meets what I need, with the possible exception of the keyboard/touch bar thing. But I'm probably also not the norm.

What are these "Pro" features?

I'm assuming "Pro" means using the MBP to generate your main income. So it would be nice if you'd all tell your story how a different spec MBP would either increase your revenue, or increase the work you can do in a day.

Or do you more value reliability, robustness, data security, service/repair times, and so on. And how does the MBP meet these?

New macbooks use the pro term in the same way a playstation 4 pro is pro — it is a product that pursues exactly same market and is designed with same sensibilities as the basic version, but offers a premium product with beefier specs and higher price point for a customer with bigger budget.

The lament for a "true pro" machines, then, comes down to expectation that a product with "pro" moniker ought to be be designed for IT, or IT-adjacent professionals working in corporate office environments. The hardware design sensibilities for that market would prioritize robustness of build to prevent service downtime (magsafe and reliable keyboard), conservative choice of interfaces and input methods to minimize disruption of workflow when new machines are introduced (f-keys, video output ports for presentations, USB-A for thumbdrives), and serviceability to provide quick recovery in case a hardware failure does occur (components most likely to need repairs, such as battery, screen assembly, keyboard, storage being swappable onsite to either bring system back to working order or, in case of SSD, to hit the ground running by swapping drive into another machine).

The fact that touchbar ended up on macbook pros , rather than normal macbooks, where ability to type emojis faster would presumably be appreciated more, really tells everything about the market that device targets.

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All of this isn't to say that targeting a much wider consumer market is necessarily a bad decision — I personally don't work in an office and am not locked into macOS ecosystem, so if I needed all the corporate stuff above I'd use a different kind of laptop (i.e. a thinkpad). But even I, as a webdeveloper that does occasionally travel with his laptop and plays some games in the offtime, feel that apples' hardware has strayed too far into the consumer appliance territory to serve my needs.
 
180 only? Wasn't "Waiting for Skylake MBPs" that epic thread that got to 1000 pages?

Seem to te like here we have still a long way to go...
Waiting for sky lake was a fun time. Too bad it ended in disappointment at lest for me.

I just couldn’t stand the battery life and keyboard. Everything else I could live with.
 
Finally a petition for faulty keyboards....
Who would imagine it a few years ago, that mbp would ever have such bad keyboards...
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...-petition-apple-to-recall-defective-keyboards

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I am also disappointed with apple's obsession for 'thinner laptop AT ALL cost'.
Ditch out magsafe, innovation and power together.
No upgrade-ability at all.
16gb ram maximum, almost for a decade!
No standard usb ports, just buy and carry dongles and hubs all the time.
Not to mention about ethernet port(long gone), no sd card slot.
Gpu's not powered enough.
Also, increased cost of purchase, especially for European customers.

I was never in the logic of 'the more, the better' like in pc's, but this does not mean that we should tolerate obvious choices of apple, just for a thinner laptop.
They sacrifice everything for a thinner laptop.
We do not want to participate in a competition 'who has the thinner laptop'.
We just want, for such a price and such a company and such a tradition, a robust and powerful laptop.
I am not sure Apple is going the right way.
They seem to have some confusion in their minds.
 
As am I, dreaming of a 17" MBP with 32GBs and 6-cores, but due to input from others on this site, I'm starting to rethink my approach to what would be win-win with regard to 'future proofed' computing.

I have my money on this:

17" 4k MBP
32GB DDR4 base, 64GB option
Core i9 or equivalent XEON CPU with 6 cores
Vega based GPU
4x TB3
HDMI 2.x (for 4k w/ 60Hz)
SD Card Slot
99WHr Battery

This should come in at like 2.5kg I'd estimate (given the old 17" came in at 3kg)

if they are cool... USB-C charging with a magnetic MagSafe style plug (see third-party products).

I'd GLADLY pay €5k for this! Hands down, no questions asked.
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Guys & gals, I often see comments to the point of MBP no longer being "Pro" machines. Rarely, if ever, is this followed up by anything very tangible. Yes it's often followed up by some wish list for better specs, but it's rarely clear how those extra specs translate into something more "Pro". I may be borderline crazy for appealing to a forum for actual information, but I'm genuinely curious how far off the current gen MBP actually is. For me as a programmer the MBP easily meets what I need, with the possible exception of the keyboard/touch bar thing. But I'm probably also not the norm.

What are these "Pro" features?

I'm assuming "Pro" means using the MBP to generate your main income. So it would be nice if you'd all tell your story how a different spec MBP would either increase your revenue, or increase the work you can do in a day.

Or do you more value reliability, robustness, data security, service/repair times, and so on. And how does the MBP meet these?

Pro to me means a few things:
  • Max CPU for the class aka 45W. Which is fine the way it is.
  • Max GPU for the class (total TDP ~90W). Also fine with me as is.
  • Max RAM of what the CPU offers. Which is NOT fine because this is 64GB DDR4. And Apple USED to offer max RAM as an option (see my 2011 MBP with 16GB, which was the max the CPU supported at the time)
  • Max Battery to stay under the threshold of 100Whr, aka 99Whr.
  • Important STANDARD ports. Like HDMI and SD Card Slot. Dongles or cables cannot replace this effectively!
  • 4k display... since Apple is pushing 4k Video so much with the iPhone and Final Cut Pro X... I want to be able to SEE AND EDIT it at 100%.
  • TouchBar... well... this is up for debate... and I, personally, won't comment too much, as I never had a MBP with said feature. Best idea would be to have the F-Key row and the TouchBar ON TOP of it.
  • A reliable keyboard!
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Ah, it was indeed a whacky ride in that thread. I recall all the false rumour shenanigans (Serban wasn't it?). But yep, ended in a massive anti-climax.

Honestly though? With what Serban was saying... in the end he was actually RIGHT. Because what we got is exactly what he had said.
He claimed that they had (I think) 3 different models in testing. One of which was pretty radical with only one style of ports and a new style of input.

Not sure when he was banned that his posts are still up. Would be fun to revisit them. But I honestly believe that he DID HAVE some insider information!
 
That 17” would be amazing, but I feel like 16-16.5” would be the sweet spot for my needs. I do cartography and mapping so more screen is always better, but portability is also important. I definitely grew tired of lugging my old 3 kg 17” around. I’d prefer a max weight of around 2.25 kg for a thin-and-light yet powerful “pro” laptop to make it comfortable to take to work every weekday.

Increase the battery, fix the keyboard and restore SD, optical audio, HDMI and a native MagSafe solution are all wishes. As is 6-core and 32-64 GB RAM. It’s 2018. Imagine if Apple got to 2020 with still only a max of 16 GB, the same as I had in 2013 but available in Macs even earlier.
 
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Heavier, slower WiFi, no higher-tier CPUs (except starting with this year model which is not released yet).

I can comment on this, since I'm currently using this laptop for work:

It's a whopping 0.6 lbs heavier, in exchange for having an actual 97 Whr battery. I'll gladly take the bit of extra weight if it means getting a full-size battery and a keyboard that doesn't have reliability issues because of an asinine insistence on thinner and lighter at any cost. Remember that this is the company that unironically argued that having more RAM would negatively impact battery life after releasing a design that decreased battery size by 25%.

In the given form factor, the XPS 15 has a meaningfully more powerful GPU (GTX 1050), and it can be specced with up to 32 GB DDR4 RAM. Apple's main pro markets seem to be aimed at video editors/creative professionals, both of which heavily lean on the GPU, so skimping in this department seems like a nontrivial oversight. Not even giving the option of 32 GB in a nominally "Pro" machine at this point is also frankly disappointing, especially when a number of pro tasks (e.g. data science/ML, video editing) can easily be memory intensive.

I have no idea where you're getting the improved WiFi speed from, since both support the same wifi standards.

I don't think we are in for a big surprise. it will still be fastest CPUs in the thinnest/lightest laptop among its class + mid-range graphics (I bet on Vega with HBM). You know, the same formula they've been using for the last 15 years. Don't see any reason for them to change anything they've been doing so far.

Except they've changed the formula.

A hallmark of old Macs was that they were reliable. My old 2010 MBP easily lasted me 5 years. They offered bleeding-edge battery life. Their only meaningful performance concession was on the GPU front, which wasn't that big of a deal back when the mobile-desktop GPU gap was much wider than it is today. This, in turn, enabled them to make relatively thin machines that were still performant. They also offered a relatively solid I/O configuration. They also used to offer as much RAM as the CPU could handle.

Apple's current design philosophy has opted to start compromising the remaining feature set in the name of making the MBP thinner than it needs to be.
 
New macbooks use the pro term in the same way a playstation 4 pro is pro — it is a product that pursues exactly same market and is designed with same sensibilities as the basic version, but offers a premium product with beefier specs and higher price point for a customer with bigger budget.

The lament for a "true pro" machines, then, comes down to expectation that a product with "pro" moniker ought to be be designed for IT, or IT-adjacent professionals working in corporate office environments. The hardware design sensibilities for that market would prioritize robustness of build to prevent service downtime (magsafe and reliable keyboard), conservative choice of interfaces and input methods to minimize disruption of workflow when new machines are introduced (f-keys, video output ports for presentations, USB-A for thumbdrives), and serviceability to provide quick recovery in case a hardware failure does occur (components most likely to need repairs, such as battery, screen assembly, keyboard, storage being swappable onsite to either bring system back to working order or, in case of SSD, to hit the ground running by swapping drive into another machine).

The fact that touchbar ended up on macbook pros , rather than normal macbooks, where ability to type emojis faster would presumably be appreciated more, really tells everything about the market that device targets.

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All of this isn't to say that targeting a much wider consumer market is necessarily a bad decision — I personally don't work in an office and am not locked into macOS ecosystem, so if I needed all the corporate stuff above I'd use a different kind of laptop (i.e. a thinkpad). But even I, as a webdeveloper that does occasionally travel with his laptop and plays some games in the offtime, feel that apples' hardware has strayed too far into the consumer appliance territory to serve my needs.

Haha, Playstation 4 Pro, that makes me smile :) But I get what you're saying. Pro as in professional would mean minimizing downtime in every possible way. Magsafe is actually a great example of that. Something so very simple and yet I'm sure it has prevented downtime in lots and lots of cases. Not the biggest thing, other laptops don't have it either and they can still be used. But little things matter.

And there should really be many other opportunities for similar innovation. Small but nice things that make things just a little bit easier, safer, faster, whatever. They're quite unique in that they own not only both hardware and software, but they also own the ecosystem around it. And... they're not really taking advantage of it. I mean, even something as simple as an ARM coprocessor, they could have had that long ago even if they're not switching to ARM completely. Ipad integration for pen or remote control has already been mentioned. It's also a bit odd that there is no high quality sound output available.
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I have my money on this:
Pro to me means a few things:
  • Max CPU for the class aka 45W. Which is fine the way it is.
  • Max GPU for the class (total TDP ~90W). Also fine with me as is.
  • Max RAM of what the CPU offers. Which is NOT fine because this is 64GB DDR4. And Apple USED to offer max RAM as an option (see my 2011 MBP with 16GB, which was the max the CPU supported at the time)
  • Max Battery to stay under the threshold of 100Whr, aka 99Whr.
  • Important STANDARD ports. Like HDMI and SD Card Slot. Dongles or cables cannot replace this effectively!
  • 4k display... since Apple is pushing 4k Video so much with the iPhone and Final Cut Pro X... I want to be able to SEE AND EDIT it at 100%.
  • TouchBar... well... this is up for debate... and I, personally, won't comment too much, as I never had a MBP with said feature. Best idea would be to have the F-Key row and the TouchBar ON TOP of it.
  • A reliable keyboard!

RAM is interesting. I totally get why they want to go with LPDDR3, and back when they designed the 2016 MBP I believe Cannonlake (which brings support for LPDDR4 and >16G RAM) was estimated to be released in 2016. Then it was pushed to 2018, and now to 2019. If we're looking for someone to "blame", it's certainly Intel more than Apple in some sense.

But blame isn't very interesting. The 16G limit does indeed get more pressing every year. What's odd to me is that Apple doesn't seem to have had a plan B. Risk management is something I've done routinely with projects far smaller than something like an MBP update, and you'd obviously look at all the major assumptions and find mitigations for the more important ones. CPU delays that influence RAM would certainly be up there. Market reception to limited ports would be another. Market reception to the touch bar would be a third. You'd surely have to come up with inexpensive ways to slightly alter the design if things don't go as planned. We're seeing none of that with Apple.

For RAM they'd need a memory controller and a logic board redesign. But y'know, the touch bar also needs a controller chip and a different logic board. It's probably more to do with manufacturing, I don't know if they'd need different tooling, source different materials, or just reprogram the soldering robots. It's probably more work than most of us can imagine, otherwise they'd surely have done it already. But I also suspect that if they had known that Cannonlake would be pushed to 2019 then they would have put a memory controller in the 2016 redesign already.
 
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For RAM they'd need a memory controller and a logic board redesign. But y'know, the touch bar also needs a controller chip and a different logic board. It's probably more to do with manufacturing, I don't know if they'd need different tooling, source different materials, or just reprogram the soldering robots. It's probably more work than most of us can imagine, otherwise they'd surely have done it already. But I also suspect that if they had known that Cannonlake would be pushed to 2019 then they would have put a memory controller in the 2016 redesign already.

I was wondering when somebody was going to mention the possibility of Apple using an external RAM controller to allow its laptops to use LPDDR4 memory…
 
I was wondering when somebody was going to mention the possibility of Apple using an external RAM controller to allow its laptops to use LPDDR4 memory…
Lol a RAM dongle would be the funniest **** ever
[doublepost=1525464059][/doublepost]Oh I just wanted to say to all the people saying the keyboard isn’t bad that the keyboard in the 2016 I had would have a few keys change the keypress feel randomly throughout use. They would turn crunchy mushy. Don’t know how to describe it. Then randomly they’d be fine. Then one day the backlighting in half my computer went out / got dimmer. Then when the boot camp drivers were made poorly and I tried to play sound through my speakers in windows my keyboard exploded ( made a popping noise) and lost backlighting on the entire right side.

And all the issues except the boot camp thing happpened on the replacement Apple gave me. So yah I call bs on the whole the keyboard isn’t an issue thing. Yes it could have been sheer unluckiness but I can’t rule out that both of my machines keyboards were awful and messed up even when just browsing the web. I really hope apple steps up and changes it. The normal feel want bad but reliability was awful
 
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