With SB2 is even worse, since its power system can't even support the GPU under heavy load...
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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With SB2 is even worse, since its power system can't even support the GPU under heavy load...
I bought my MacBook Pro in its third revision of the Retina series in 2015, it was also the last of that generation before the new USB C only model came out in 2016. So, this probably good time to jump on before Apple possibly makes another significant rev in 2019 or 2020.
It makes good sense these days to definitely go with Apple Care because of how fragile these machines area. Right now, I have peeling lamination issue with my MBP. I wanted to get it fixed while in the states back in March, but it would take 5 days to just get whatever component I needed. I don't know if I will be lucky enough to get it sorted the next time I visit which will be 2019.
It makes good sense these days to definitely go with Apple Care because of how fragile these machines area. Right now, I have peeling lamination issue with my MBP. I wanted to get it fixed while in the states back in March, but it would take 5 days to just get whatever component I needed. I don't know if I will be lucky enough to get it sorted the next time I visit which will be 2019.
The screen assembly has a lot of flex too compared to the previous iteration which felt impressively rigid, but overall, it’s definitely still a pretty well built machine (just perhaps not as robust as the previous gen)
As per this article:
https://www.windowscentral.com/does-surface-book-2-15-battery-drain
That’s only an issue under a very specific set of circumstances, and the thing is, the GTX 1060 still completely blows the Radeon Pro 460 out of the water either way...
The gap being about £600 doesn't surprise me at all.There is no Apple premium tax... not at all.
The 15" MBP went up about £700 between the 2015 and 2016 models thanks to Brexit + TouchBar. They could really do with some price corrections, so lets hope WWDC delivers.Kind of gonna miss this thread and all the speculation and discussion. I mean, there's probably gonna be a "Waiting for the 2019 MacBook Pros" thread afterwards, but once I have my 2018 one, I don't think I'll visit it that often as I'd only be reading up on what I'm missing out on
Absolutely, and the first post will be asking for 32GB RAM.
All reasons why, after a lot of consideration, I stuck with Apple and realised the only solution for me iMac pro as well as Macbookpro. The latter was still better overall than its competition, but really would never deliver what I needed, in terms of speed.
I will be happy with 6 core, 16gb ram and an improved gpu. Buying day 1 as this will be 3rd gen of the design.
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Yep, but can’t connect a GTX 1080 desktop gpu via eGPU still.....
I was very tempted by the SB2 but this and the 15w cpu were the negatives.
No these aren’t assumptions buddy. This is the conclusion I have attained after thorough analysis of all that I have skimmed throughout the year. One thing I have observed over all these years is that Apple holds some of the flagship features and attributes of the products and defers them by an year on the pretext of perfecting the technology which conclusively results in a hype and their introduction in numbers with respect to both sales and financial crunching. The contentious butterfly keyboard has been hit be notoriety and Apple won’t let our justified squabbling go unheard. Intel is also to be blamed for since they haven’t been able to synchronise their CPU cycle well with Apple and the lack of LPDDR4 as a result of incompatibility with Coffee Lake silicon wont go down well with Apple since the vacancy would bludgeon the pro market which already isn’t too happy with how things have turned out with the 2016 pros. AMD too although has made strides by fabricating 7nm tech and giving Intel a cut throat competition hasn’t been too conspicuous with Vega Mobile with the only Vegas seen are embedded in their CPUs. AMD+ Intel project lead by Raja Koudouri fetched chips which may not be employed by 13 inch notebooks with respect to TDP attributes and Intel I believe has also announced 28W chips apt for the notebooks. Touchbar hasn’t been advertised at all and all I can recall are the two advertisements at the time of launch, one where the cat walks over the touchbar and the light bulb add which professes how creativity needs MacBook Pro. Nothing since then. Apple knew it was an experimental move and unfortunately neither the developers nor they themselves came up with how Touchbar could be productively used. They haven’t focused on the Mac for a while and even the “New” sign under the MacBook Pro link on their web page was removed a month and a half ago. Plus I don’t think the team has the audacity to accept that Touchbar wasn’t worth it and thats totally true but a bit more effort in tweaking the software to make it appeal to more pro users would have been great. So a Touchbar overhaul is totally on the cards. If Apple doesn’t believe in adding a touch screen to the Mac the team has to do something radical with the context sensitive strip. An all glass keyboard could be a part of the next gen design overhaul but it’s highly unlikely for an year year and a half. Professionals need 32 Gigs of Ram, they want more power, more connectivity options, discrete GPUs and productive software to support their workflow and Apple has to provide that and that’s exactly why without admitting they have steered their course in the right direction by firing off a project to design A series chips for Macs and a lot more. All this shall take some time but I m optimistic about the future of the Mac. As far as this iteration of notebooks is concerned :
I expect a better display since that has been a trend and with all manufacturers coming up with stupendous display, Apple won’t lag behind, now Apple might not amplify the resolution but other aspects of great importance such as brightness, contrast and accuracy along with HDR,aspect ratio and frame rate should certainly be taken care of
Face ID- improbable for not but a certainty for future iterations. I would be gobsmacked if they introduced the feature in a few days time, however, I believe that we would see an improved Face ID module in iPhones and iPads first and then it would pave its way to the Mac.
Better Speakers- a certainty
1080p FaceTime HD camera
3rd Gen Butterfly
And a stalwart effort to persuade people to make the switch to USB C
I agree with everything you said thus far and your opinion however, many Pro users need this NOW this year not in 2019.
We are no longer in a world where redesigns only happen 5 years on the computer aspect and Apple needs to wake up for that.
I simply can't wait another year to get a Macbook, Cannonlake has now been delayed until the end of 2019 who knows if Intel is gonna get 10nm right by then anyway.
Compeition is allowing the Pro users to have what they want right now, look at the Zenbook. I don't even wanna start with the GPUs even thou Apple apps like Final Cut Pro have 100% support of AMD they lack NVIDIA support because it isn't used by Apple.
At this point I'm not even interested in the 15" anymore because it's underpowered for the money they ask. Regarding the Touch Bar, it's a great tool if you install BetterTouchBar but if you use the native system of it it completely sucks.
My problems with the Mac 2017 right now are the following :
1 - 13" Dual Core setup it's stupid in 2018.
2 - A cheaper model with only 2 ports
3 - Apple not believing in their own Touch Bar thingy going, if they believed in it the lower end models would have it as well.
4 - The lack of dual fans on the starting 13" is stupid and makes it look like an Air than a Pro.
5 - Underpowered GPUs on the 15" just dont even convince me to make me wanna spend more $$
6 - The bezels on the screen, I know LG has the tech to reduce their bezels so explain me why are we stuck at this?
7 - Lack of information regarding that the starting 13 only has one fan and throttles like hell.
And don't make me even start on the Macbook Air with that stupid TN panel, it's a joke at this point..
The sad part is that we haven’t seen them step on the gas for a while now. Hopefully soon
Last year refresh was a joke, 2016 should have shipped with Kaby Lake... We can't have a 2018 refresh like last year.
Apple MUST NOT wait for 2019 HUGE upgrade, this ain't even Tick Tock
Apple MUST NOT wait for 2019 HUGE upgrade, this ain't even Tick Tock
I have "good" new guys for you all, waiting for another MacBook Pros, and next generations of them.
10 nm process, from Intel is at this point 2020, at best. In other words - it is highest possibility that this process, and all of products on this node - are dead.
Welcome reality without any performance and power progress, for another 3-4 years. Yay!
10 nm process, from Intel is at this point 2020, at best. In other words - it is highest possibility that this process, and all of products on this node - are dead.
Welcome reality without any performance and power progress, for another 3-4 years. Yay!
For those that are waiting for the next refresh in order to fix the keyboard issues, which many expect will be in 2020, I'd caution that you will probably just encounter new issues. When I buy a car, I like to buy the last model before the line is refreshed because those are often the most reliable. When a brand new design is introduced, a lot of issues pop up and over the course of yearly updates, those issues are fixed.
The same is true for Apple and many other device manufacturers - over the course of a product's lifecycle, it is tweaked in order to fix issues. This is evident for the current MBPs in regards to the keyboard issue, as seen by the recent analysis that the 2017 models have a lower keyboard defect rate. They saw issues in 2016, have made some fixes (though not perfect), and will likely have more fixes in the 2018s.
Also, in regards to the recent posts that the 2018 MBP update timeline would somehow be affected by the recent class action lawsuit, I find that very hard to believe. Apple undoubtedly has teams dedicated to ensuring reliability - not primarily for the customer's benefit, but because every one of these failed keyboards impacts Apple's bottom line. They have likely been working on fixing they keyboard since right after the 2016s were released, and have gained more insight into how to make them better after reviewing the performance of the changes made in the 2017 models.
There are many reasons to not buy this current line of MBPs, but to expect a new design in ~2020 to be without any similar issue on any other component, that is not typically how it works.
The same is true for Apple and many other device manufacturers - over the course of a product's lifecycle, it is tweaked in order to fix issues. This is evident for the current MBPs in regards to the keyboard issue, as seen by the recent analysis that the 2017 models have a lower keyboard defect rate. They saw issues in 2016, have made some fixes (though not perfect), and will likely have more fixes in the 2018s.
Also, in regards to the recent posts that the 2018 MBP update timeline would somehow be affected by the recent class action lawsuit, I find that very hard to believe. Apple undoubtedly has teams dedicated to ensuring reliability - not primarily for the customer's benefit, but because every one of these failed keyboards impacts Apple's bottom line. They have likely been working on fixing they keyboard since right after the 2016s were released, and have gained more insight into how to make them better after reviewing the performance of the changes made in the 2017 models.
There are many reasons to not buy this current line of MBPs, but to expect a new design in ~2020 to be without any similar issue on any other component, that is not typically how it works.
Kaby Lake wasn't available when the 2016 model are out...
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Intel only announced suitable quad-core CPUs (Coffee Lake) recently, which start shipping only about now. Kaby Lake low-power quad core uses cut-down GPU configuration which would be a downgrade compared to to the dual core KL the 13" MBP uses.
It is an Air — it uses same components and has been described by Apple as an "upgrade path" for the MacBook Air. So no wonder it throttles, it uses a 15W CPU and is not designed to maintain sustained performance under pressure.
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I see it that way too, I probably will upgrade when the last generation of this series is released. But even then there is always a chance of something going bad, such as my display lamination peeling.
So, how will you know when the last generation of this series is released? Will you wait an entire year (or two) to upgrade? It's a great idea.. in theory.. but in reality, won't you feel like you're missing out on the lastest remodel?
Once the first-gen/next-series is released, I know that im going to have FOMO like a mf.. and i probably wont be able to 'not' upgrade. lpl, either way.. upgrade now or upgrade later.. there will always be a chance that something breaks. You can't get around that, but you can always ensure that you have the latest and "greatest" tech.
idk - i just remember this one time that i saw a picture of 2 giant fighting robots. One robot was labeled 2016 and the other 2017. Obviously the 2017 was destroying the 2016 one, and I share a similar sentiment in my views of tech upgrades. One will always outweigh the other in terms of performance, or aesthetics, or whatever.. but it's almost always going to be the newer one.
2 weeks away from WWDC and there’s been no rumors whatsoever?
My plan is to replace my iMac 27” with something more portable this year. I’m ready for a new 13” MBP, or perhaps a 13” Retina MacBook. Let’s hope Apple delivers!
My plan is to replace my iMac 27” with something more portable this year. I’m ready for a new 13” MBP, or perhaps a 13” Retina MacBook. Let’s hope Apple delivers!
It turns out they weren't robots, but cyborgs.. much like us.
[doublepost=1526847807][/doublepost]Like, a week or so later, I took this picture of my first 2016 MBP purchase (I had like 3 of them because I thought my keyboards were lemons) Maybe I should have waited a year.. or 5 years
MacBook in the Grass.
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[doublepost=1526847807][/doublepost]Like, a week or so later, I took this picture of my first 2016 MBP purchase (I had like 3 of them because I thought my keyboards were lemons
) Maybe I should have waited a year.. or 5 yearsMacBook in the Grass.
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No, not really. I bought my brother the 2017 really and when I compared it with my 2015, there wasn't anything in it I wasn't getting done with my model.
My approach to technology is really to meet a need, not necessarily the latest and greatest headache. Trust me, I observed the forum when the 2016 was released. Even when the next generation comes out, I am sure there will be previous generations of the older model still available for sale. Probably will get a good discount too.
Tell me about it.
This idiot right here sold her 27” in March, without checking this forum. Almost went out to purchase a 2017 only to find out the 2018 was a few months away.
It has been a long wait. Few more days?!?!
I mean how often have we ever gotten leaks or substantial rumors for pure spec-updates? Even without considering that Apple is heavily cracking down on leaks this year (which will most certainly reduce the rumors that we overall get in the long run), there's just not that much excitement to analysts and the like saying "well each MBP thus far has gotten whatever was the newest Intel chip available at that date, to all of your surprise we strongly predict it's gonna be the same this year, don't forget you heard it from us first".
Nope, unlike the iPhone, leaks and rumors are generally hard to come by for the MBP.
I guess by now, we all know what's going to come. And looking back at previous WWDC, we are certainly sure there's nothing big unless Apple surprises all of us
That largely depends on what we perceive as "big" though. If the rumored project Marzipan (being able to design a single app for both iOS and macOS) comes to fruition this year already, then that would be a big deal for both developers and consumers.
Why? iPhone workers like to gossip more? Shouldn't computer case manufacturers know what will happen as they should have the cases ready if anything is going to be released in two weeks?