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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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I was thinking the exact same thing. That is perhaps the only upside (Along with the increased possibility of them fixing the keyboard) to the delay.
Something to keep in mind is that the Bloomberg article itself isn't exactly specific about this, calling "a suite of new gadgets unlikely" and being intentionally vague about which products the "those won't be ready until next year, according to people familiar with the plans" relates to. This is especially curious since the article goes in great length and depth about some of the expected iOS 12 features.
I could easily see them getting some intel about the 12" MacBooks and the rumored MBA-replacement coming later this year (and not getting any intel about the MBPs since their spec update is less exciting news) and then projecting that news to all of the MB/MBP line since they haven't heard anything (different) about the MBPs. But we've gotten multiple rumors about the MBA-replacement coming later this year now, and a later refresh of the 12" MB also seems likely since there currently is no 8th generation Intel CPUs that would fit into them (to my knowledge), whereas we do have new CPUs for the 13" and 15" MBPs ready to go since months now.
So in this context, I could easily see the MB/MBA line and MBP line being refreshed asynchronous this year, and Bloomberg simply picking up on insider knowledge about one of them and extrapolating them to rumors about both of them.
I don't want to give anyone false hope though – the Bloomberg article certainly makes a WWDC release much less certain than we previously thought. I'm just saying that we should view the Bloomberg rumors with a bit of doubt and not jump to any definite conclusions yet. A confirmation that we won't get new MBPs next week, the Bloomberg article is not, and I can't emphasize enough how far Apple would fall behind competitors if they arbitrarily hold back quad-core 13" and hexa-core 15" MBPs another 4-6 months when other manufacturers are rolling them out since this/last month already.
I also remind everyone that macOS 10.13.5 with Messages in the Cloud and AirPlay 2 has not released yet, even though iOS 11.4 with the same features did on Tuesday and the first beta for macOS 10.13.6 did drop aswell, implying that they are done with 10.13.5 and have it ready for release. Make of that what you will, but the biggest reason I see for holding back a macOS-update compared to its iOS-counterpart like this (even more so one that contains cross-platform features and seems to be finished) is because it contains hints for new unreleased Macs – which it would have to if we do get new Macs next week, since that's the release they'd be shipping with.
I could easily see them getting some intel about the 12" MacBooks and the rumored MBA-replacement coming later this year (and not getting any intel about the MBPs since their spec update is less exciting news) and then projecting that news to all of the MB/MBP line since they haven't heard anything (different) about the MBPs. But we've gotten multiple rumors about the MBA-replacement coming later this year now, and a later refresh of the 12" MB also seems likely since there currently is no 8th generation Intel CPUs that would fit into them (to my knowledge), whereas we do have new CPUs for the 13" and 15" MBPs ready to go since months now.
So in this context, I could easily see the MB/MBA line and MBP line being refreshed asynchronous this year, and Bloomberg simply picking up on insider knowledge about one of them and extrapolating them to rumors about both of them.
I don't want to give anyone false hope though – the Bloomberg article certainly makes a WWDC release much less certain than we previously thought. I'm just saying that we should view the Bloomberg rumors with a bit of doubt and not jump to any definite conclusions yet. A confirmation that we won't get new MBPs next week, the Bloomberg article is not, and I can't emphasize enough how far Apple would fall behind competitors if they arbitrarily hold back quad-core 13" and hexa-core 15" MBPs another 4-6 months when other manufacturers are rolling them out since this/last month already.
I also remind everyone that macOS 10.13.5 with Messages in the Cloud and AirPlay 2 has not released yet, even though iOS 11.4 with the same features did on Tuesday and the first beta for macOS 10.13.6 did drop aswell, implying that they are done with 10.13.5 and have it ready for release. Make of that what you will, but the biggest reason I see for holding back a macOS-update compared to its iOS-counterpart like this (even more so one that contains cross-platform features and seems to be finished) is because it contains hints for new unreleased Macs – which it would have to if we do get new Macs next week, since that's the release they'd be shipping with.
I remain cautiously optimistic. I’m lucky enough to have a desktop as well as my laptop that died. I was going to replace it next week and I’ve been without a laptop for two months already. I don’t know if I can hold out until October. I will ponder and see what happens next week.
so if not at WWDC, then can we hope for vega dGPU for the 15" MBP and probably some new dGPU on imacs too in late 2018?
I really don't understand why on earth Apple would wait until Fall at this point - that's far too long. I'd be concerned very highly that they will have massive bleed of their core user base. At this point, I would buy today any of the following, if offered with MacOS:
Tl:dr - just whining and moaning, on page 213 - carry on.
- Razer blade 2018
- Aero 15X 2018
- MSI G65 Stealth 2018
- Surface Book 2
- X1 Carbon Yoga
- HP Spectre 360
Tl:dr - just whining and moaning, on page 213 - carry on.
The lack of leaks does seem to confirm there will be no refresh as much as I don't want to believe it. I am starting to think if Apple have forgotten their pro users
That’s the thing. My 2012 rMBP with SSD and 16 go was painfully slow on high sierra. Don’t know how you guys make it so long without either the computer crapping itself or significant slowdowns. I maintain you guys are gods.
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Yah. But I had a newer processor, more ram, and presumably better ssd and still I couldn’t manage to keep my computer running st acceptable speed or prevent from breaking. You sir ARE a God
At this point, I can only think of two reasons:
1) Fixing the keyboard, and/or improving the touch bar
2) Waiting for AMD's Vega Mobile chips to bring 1050/1050Ti-tier performance without having to compromise on size/poweri/heat limits.
But your last part - "if offered with MacOS" - is precisely why they can afford to wait a bit longer.
Everything you say here is correct, except for the part about Apple being able to put these into a chassis.
The 2017 chassis doesn't have the means to dissipate something with an 80-90 watt TDP (which the 1070 Max-Q has), and by going with charging over TB3, Apple has capped the overall potential power consumption of the laptop at ~100 watts (by virtue of the limits of the TB3 spec).
But the Apple tax funds more than just the laptop specs - build quality, and the Apple store network are the two major ones that come to mind (being able to walk into a store and just get your laptop fixed can be an immense convenience).
Laptops with Coffee Lake have not been out all that long. Intel announced the mobile lineup two months ago, and laptops with those processors are just now making their way on the market.
GPUs from team green have been out a while, yeah, but Apple isn't going to be using those, so I don't think it really makes that much of a difference.
I know you’re right but I don’t want to believe you
Well that Bloomberg rumour is disappointing. I’ve being without a Mac since April, waiting for this refresh.
What the heck is going on in here? Are they really gonna miss out on the back to school period?
Oh dear the response to an official article about the delays is quite worrying. Why is everyone so baffled and shocked at this?
It was always a possibility, myself and others have said this in the past (I believe I even said it in posts in this thread). In fact it was more likely for a Fall release then it was for a WWDC release since it’s not just a simple spec bump like the 2017 model was (along with a few minor changes).
Having said that, they probably could have achieved a time frame that allowed for a WWDC announcement at least, it’s something that would help with publicity right now.
It was always a possibility, myself and others have said this in the past (I believe I even said it in posts in this thread). In fact it was more likely for a Fall release then it was for a WWDC release since it’s not just a simple spec bump like the 2017 model was (along with a few minor changes).
Having said that, they probably could have achieved a time frame that allowed for a WWDC announcement at least, it’s something that would help with publicity right now.
Every ship date for MacBook Pro models is the 5th of June. It’s almost like Apple is trying to tell every single customer something...I can say with 98% certainty that we will get a refresh. Bloomberg tryna downplay things last minute.
the delay of the Mac OS release plus the shipping delays show SOMETHiNG----super odd for Gurman to go out on the line like that tho and be wrong. He'll look bad if we get an update - and hex cores is not "no update"...
I have allot of respect for Mark but I’m not going to ignore all the writing that’s on the wall for this refresh.
There are no rumors from the supply line... So yeah.
Let's see what happens
Let's see what happens
MacBook & iPad Pro updates might not make it to WWDC
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/05/31/macbook-ipad-pro-updates-might-not-make-it-to-wwdc
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/05/31/macbook-ipad-pro-updates-might-not-make-it-to-wwdc
Even though I won't upgrade until autumn I'm still disappointed, Apple!
oh dear. Little bit disappointing but not the end of the world for me.
I feel for the guys on here limping a long with the 2012 models.
See what happens eh, but I would say this news is 100% correct, and would have come from Apple, as others have said.
I feel for the guys on here limping a long with the 2012 models.
See what happens eh, but I would say this news is 100% correct, and would have come from Apple, as others have said.
omg im pissed. i was hoping for a new mbp for my first year in college. guess im gonna have to get the previous one
Well. You will buy the newest MacBook at the time. So technically, you will not buy the “previous one”. ;-)
The core user base of Apple doesn’t care. Being on macrumors means you do not belong to the core user base. Their core user base consists of students not knowing that there is a new laptop coming around and corporate buyers who don’t care either. Then there is a small base who cares about power. But they are not all researching roumors either.
Moreover, the current model is powerful enough for most people anyway. No one (dispite some very small percentage of “geeks”) compares specs when they shop for electronics.
Nevertheless, I would really want them to release it now
Yes, leave the superfans in the dust ... until nobody cares anymore. I just loved how they are being cheap on thermal paste, screws on a 5000 dollar iMac and can't get their LG monitors to work properly with their 2500+ dollar MacBook Pro without providing an official USB-C to DisplayPort cable. macOS is still good, but the hardware is getting antiquated and the thrill is gone.
I just got a refund for my 2016 MBP 15", and it felt great saying goodbye to the Touch Bar, the crashes and the variety of problems arriving with each new update of macOS. They add and remove functionality. Now back on a MacBook 12 without the touch bar, and I don't miss it. Sliding up and down to adjust the brightness and volume felt OK, but not having to look down and avoid stretching out to accidentally touch some unknown command on a bar filled with buttons without any haptic feedback. Escape is also nice to have back.
Having been through the mill of problems with the new generation. Battery, keyboard, speakers, motherboard and IO ports have all been serviced. Now I just want cash, and will stick with my MacBook 12 until I can gradually escape having to own a computer. It's simply not fun anymore.
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