hmm i think the macOS news were this year the best of the WWDC
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Bkap, I tried most of these options. I would avoid Hackintosh or a Linux laptop that isn't natively supported, except if you don't mind spending time to maintain it. I've had a Linux desktop break its graphics completely after doing a simple upgrade. Hackintosh is even more famous for that sort of behaviour. Use a Hackintosh only if you plan to never upgrade the software after installation: upgrades can be harder than reinstalls.
I've briefly tried & read up quite a bit about WSL, the Windows Subsystem for Linux. If I remember correctly, it's a full kernel (and distro that you can choose) running on top of Windows. Here's one guy who stopped using VMWare with Linux, preferring the WSL way: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/using-wsl-and-mobaxterm-to-create-a-linux-dev-environment-on-windows If you don't need an actual boot environment (systemd...), WSL may be sufficient.
I was considering getting a powerful Windows machine, configuring WSL and MacType (lets Windows render fonts the mac way). But my rMBP late 2013 is still going strong so I can wait for 2019.
On the other hand, in the dark side, they keep on coming... https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-A...-and-acts-like-a-second-monitor.307492.0.html
+1 for innovation, although I can't see much use for it (like the touch bar). Not really looking forward to looking down at the touch pad, having to deal with software issues (imagine a BSOD on youre touchpad
) and definitely wouldn't bet on much developer support until this becomes the norm (Just look at all the issues to date for the touch bar - and that will have a lot more units in circulation than this Asus).
Cannonlake is already in production, but in low yield Core i3's. Those would most likely be appropriate for the 12 inch MacBook. Intel is expected to reach the production yield for higher production chips like the i5 and i7 by early next year. With Apple being a tier 1 customer, they probably have first dibs on the chips needed for the 13 and 15 inch. They will likely get those by at least late February to Early March to start production.
By June, Apple will announce the new MBP's with Canonlake, but they could say start shipping by the end of the month.
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I think Apple wants to get on the DDR4 bandwagon for 2019, partly to finally quiet the naysayers. Of course, Canonlake will make that possible. Lets hope.That is if Canonlake does not slip further of course.
+1 for innovation, although I can't see much use for it (like the touch bar). Not really looking forward to looking down at the touch pad, having to deal with software issues (imagine a BSOD on youre touchpad
I also have mixed feelings with this, just like with the touch bar. On the one hand, I'm super excited. It's the first hardware UX change since touch screens, which was about the only change since the mac took over Xerox PARC's WIMP system.
But you're right about having to look down. You can't feel your way around any touch screen, whether they're long horizontal stretches or rectangular. All the other entry devices, you can. In case of a touch screen, you don't need to because your hand is on it anyway.
Developer support is key, as you point out, and in this case, it's the question whether Asus has kept the system open for others to follow (and whether they will).
Cannonlake was meant to be the 8th gen code name for Y series processors, so there won’t be any i3s just M3, i5Y and i7Y - certainly nothing suitable for MacBook pros. Coffee Lake are the H series 8th gen parts Suitable for the 15s and I think the U series are branded Kaby Lake refresh. 10nm+ was meant to come to U and H chips with icelake 9th gen, but as cannonlake has been pushed back into 2019, god knows when those with appear...
I use a Surface Pro 3 and 99% of the time, its with the Type Cover; hardly ever use the touch screen. Its honestly feels like its just a check box feature for bragging rights. Unless you are some clerk in a vertical environment or watching Netflix would you make any great use of it. I do admire Microsoft for at least having an interface that is somewhat optimized for Touch, Mouse and Keyboard.
macOS on the other hand, doesn't seem like it will ever be optimized for touch. But looking at the iOS apps they had running on Mojave, they would definitely be natural using touch. The Dock itself is a great touch target. Its just the global menu bar throws everything out the window. They could fix it though by using the the NeXTStep style vertical menu, which you could call up with a gesture or let it co-exist.
No-one knows for sure. It could be fall, it could be next month with a minor press release, it could be next spring. Right now there are not many hints or rumors, outside of what Bloomberg reported that the MacBook Pro refresh was coming later than WWDC (fall I believe).
September has been the next been Apple event with the iPhone and Apple Watch hardware, so it is possible that could be a time they announce a MacBook Pro.
Personally I am ok with waiting as long as it is more than just a spec bump. If come fall we get a new 2018 MBP with just a processor upgrade and nothing else changes, that would be very disappointing to say the least.
I guess I'm waiting for a miracle. My MBP is on it's way out and I just wanted to wait for whatever refresh apple presented since I haven't heard many good reviews about the latest MBP... MY MBP is 8 years old, so I guess this MBP is a huge upgrade alone.. I just would HATE to get this latest MBP and apple releases something right after that...
Lol I still don't get why people are posting stuff like this in 2018...we are nearly a decade into MacBook Pros being capped at 16GB RAM....I understand 90% of you just check email and have one safari window open, but you would be better served buying a chromebook.
Don't come on here and bash real "pro" users that that MacBook "Pro" and this forum is supposed to be for. Your the reason why Apple does not "need" to put effort into catering to its pro users.
I have been stuck with the below situation for that past 3+ years, and its ridiculously hampering my workflow. All because everyone BUT "Pro" users are buying MBP's when they don't even need one.
I don’t mean to detract from your justifiable annoyance with the state of MacBooks as far as heavy users are concerned - but it has to be said - if it’s as bad as in the image, why don’t you go iMac or windows? Why put up with it rather than voting with your wallet?
If you read any of my posts you’d know I am anti-16GB ram. My post was to satire that Apple was too little too late.
It might be 2019/20 before MacBooks actually offer 32GB due to insisting on very low power RAM.
That makes little sense unless you NEED 32 GB. If you're fine with 16 GB, then the 2018 MacBook Pro will be a killer update, with hex-core 15" models and quad-core 13" models.
Furthermore, there is no guarantee that Cannon Lake won't get delayed again. It's already 2-3 years late. What's another 6 months?
The Cannon Lake Core i3-8121U is completely inappropriate for the MacBook. It's a 15 Watt TDP chip. Its brother the Core m3-8114Y is appropriate for the MacBook, but that chip hasn't made an official appearance yet, and won't be in sufficient volume production until 2019 either.
That makes little sense unless you NEED 32 GB. If you're fine with 16 GB, then the 2018 MacBook Pro will be a killer update, with hex-core 15" models and quad-core 13" models.
Furthermore, there is no guarantee that Cannon Lake won't get delayed again. It's already 2-3 years late. What's another 6 months?
Need vs Want argument makes sense - but what about value proposition and longevity argument. Things are always upgrading but there still exists optimal and sub-optimal purchasing times.
New 8750H runs relatively cool, equally more cores to cool, my new notebook has a very substantial cooling system. More interesting is over 85W being pulled on initiating heavy loads (PL-2 limit being 90W), subsequently rolling back to the 45W PL-1 limit. Apple has restricted itself to USB C charging, so wouldn't be overly surprised if the MBP dips into the battery as needed under heavy loads.
As for cooling Apple will just allow the CPU to run hotter, full sustained load I'm seeing sub 70C on the 8750H, Apple will likely run in the 90's, equally some overhead needs to be factored for the full Turbo pulling 85W at 3.9GHz. Apple may do better as they are not going to have a GTX 1070 in the same chassis which in isolation can pull over 120W.
As ever time will tell...
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I agree, but it depends on your usage pattern. If you are a pro that gets a new laptop every 3 years that suits your needs, and you know you need 16 GB, then it doesn't make sense to wait for a 32 GB model, esp. when the 16 GB model will see a very significant CPU performance boost and there is no guaranteed time frame for the release of the 32 GB model.
OTOH, if you're a person that needs 16 GB but occasionally may need a bit more, and you keep your machines a long time, then it makes sense to get it with 32 GB.
I personally fit into the latter category, except with the numbers 8 and 16 GB substituted in. I don't have super heavy needs for my 12" MacBook, but I definitely need 8 GB, and like to keep my machines a very long time (as in 5+ years), so I bought it with 16 GB.
Well sure, but for that to be a killer update for you, you have to fully utilize 4 cores but not 16GB of RAM. I know I'm not everyone, but my work flow is fairly diverse (pure computation/photoshop/excel etc) and I have the exact opposite problem. Sure the added cores (and certainly faster cores) would help, but without more RAM the improvement would be pretty muted. On the other hand, adding more RAM to what I have now would be a massive boon.
Furthermore, there is no guarantee that Cannon Lake won't get delayed again. It's already 2-3 years late. What's another 6 months?
If, from a productivity sense, your current computer isn't much different than what's being offered anyway, it doesn't really matter how late something is.
Exactly. YOUR workflow dictates this. There are many workflows that benefit from monster amounts of RAM, but don't benefit as much from CPU speed. And there are many workflows that benefit from monster CPU speeds, but don't benefit as much from the amount of RAM. And then there is your type of workflow which is mixed, and which can benefit from both.
That was my point. For CPU performance, it's going to be a big upgrade this fall (assuming it comes this fall). If CPU performance alone isn't enough for you, then of course wait. Just don't say (and I'll quote you verbatim) that this means, "basically means no one should be buying the 2018 model just to have it 6 months ahead for the Cannonlake one".
Your statement firstly assumes nobody needs lots of CPU speed without 32 GB RAM (which is simply wrong) and secondly assumes that Cannon Lake will be out 6 months after the 2018 MacBook Pro (which I'm guessing will also prove to be wrong).
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Sure, there are always tails to any distribution, but in my very mixed workload I don't think I'm particularly ignorant of any one type of work. The issue is really just that 16GB is jack squat these days. Interacting with a dense webpage might be using on the order 100s of megs to a gig even, keeping many browser windows open and in active memory can hog several gigs (and well if it goes into compressed memory, it slows you down to go back and use it and you'd really like that added RAM), editing a sizable PDF several gigs. And of course the OS soaks up a few. I'd very much maintain that pushing 6 threads, with really say 12 or so GB of useable RAM is threading the needle (its just 2 GB, maybe a touch more, per thread for pete's sake). So much so that the can-see-sizable-benefits-from-a-CPU-only-upgrade crowd is not a particularly large segment of the population.
On that second point, you should probably note the first part of my sentence that you quoted, "And if true". Where I was referring to the quote I responding to pasted above my statement that read: "You will see the 2018 MacBook Pro in October/November, then you will see another update in June 2019 with the Canonlake Update." Please, lets not argue about whether or not the conditional statement is true or not. That you won't know, I won't know, no one besides those inside Intel likely knows at this point. However, if Intel knew it was going to be delayed again, they would probably announce it. So, I'm betting its more likely than not their timeline is more or less what's going to happen. The fact that it is possible that Cannonlake Macbook Pros will be more than 6 months out is certainly a good reason to by a Coffee Lake MBP. But IF we knew for sure it was going to be a relatively short amount of time, I'm betting nearly everyone would hold out on older machines because A) CPU-only updates aren't going to improve the workflows of nearly everyone by much at all and B) the short amount of time between updates makes the marginal utility of buying now vs later very small compared to the gain of having an even better CPU+RAM combination for the entire life of the machine. You bring up 3 year cycles of machines, well, being stuck at 16GB until early 2022 sounds really freaken dumb to me. And a 3 year cycle is pretty dang fast these days. I wonder how 16GB of RAM is going to look in 2024? All and all, you're adding up a lot of conditions for the people in the "not-wait" group (doesn't need RAM now, doesn't think they will need it over the life of the machine which is going to be relatively short at ~3 years, can benefit largely moving from 4 to 6 cores, can't/doesn't want to wait to see if Intel and Apple move to the next platform in short period of time).
Anyway, this is all just kind of a mental exercise. Most people don't pay too much attention to these things and just buy the new thing when they feel like they could use a new computer, even if the 1 year (or 4 year) old model would serve their purposes just fine. Largely the MBP sales are going to regular old consumers, not people that really stress their machines. For what ever its worth, that's why that word "should" was in my sentence that we now need to dissect. And heck even for those people, they are going to "feel" the RAM way more than those 5th and 6th cores. But again, they aren't paying a lot of attention because waiting for the Macrummors page to reload because they have 100 web browser tabs open just isn't that big of deal.
The real MacBookPro14,3 was released in 2017, so yes, Hackintosh.
But some of us are fairly committed to the Apple ecosystem, especially at the laptop level (i.e. still need things like Word/Excel/Adobe), but also use the Unix capabilities as well. If I could get a Apple MacBook Real Pro with the mobile xeons and 64 GB of DDR4 ECC RAM, I'd probably do it (I'd at least go to 32 and be comforted that I could upgrade to 64 if need be). I don't need all day battery life and an extra pound or two wouldn't bother me a bit.