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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Hope Everybody happy now(atleast 70%)..
- 32GB Ram
- 8th Gen i9
- Thirdgen Keyboard
what i want is now 5859 AUD..i need to find a buyer for my kidney now.
(it seems no more "No touchbar MBP")
What did you do to your kidney that it's only with 6K AUD?
Just an update for anyone that may some day ask the same question: My order was automatically cancelled and replaced with an order for the new model. I may be in a special situation having ordered in Japan, on a loan and with a custom option (non-standard Japanese keyboard).
It's definitely happened before. There were late 2008, Early 2009, and Mid 2009 MBPs released. Three refreshes in the span of less than 9 months.
Of course, in 2018 the MBP is much less of a focus than in 2008, so I wouldn't bet my life on it, but almost no one predicted 32GB of RAM and DDR4, so maybe Apple will surprise us.
Even if that's true, there's always a first time, right?
If Vega mobile provides a truly large leap in GPU performance for the ultrabook market and if Apple locks up most of the early production, it might be worth an early refresh as it will be a huge competitive differentiator.
RAM!
i9 (while I'll opt for this too) is basically just a rebranded i7. There is nothing INHERENTLY special about it. Even the i7 is a hexa-core... just the clock speed is a bit different.
Personal experience. My current 2011 quad core seems still fast enough generally. But 16GB RAM are really limiting. YMMV.
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i9 is quite different actually. It has 12 megs of l3 cache which is nothing to sneeze at, and I believe it does not have a ctdp down option, so it might be hotter and hungrier on average.
No.
I honestly believe this is the biggest update since 2011.
2011 → MBP moves from Dual Core to Quad Core, RAM max = 16GB
2018 → MBP moves from Quad to Hexa Core, RAM max = 32GB
The next updates what will they be? Guesswork... but most likely a minor speed increase aka + 100/200MHz on the CPU front. And a faster GPU. By then it HAS to be a Vega based card. Now is literally the time to buy. This is as big a performance upgrade as we'll be getting for the foreseeable future.
UNLESS... you have a 2015 or newer MBP and value GPU performance on the TOP of your list, and don't REALLY have to upgrade now. Then... you could also wait one more generation. Overall... again... I think now is the time to buy, though!
[doublepost=1531459988][/doublepost]It's quite funny how the bi*ching about the powerdraw of DDR4 has stopped. How me and some others were always like "the standby power draw doesn't MATTER... + they should not have slimmed down the battery!"
And they were like "nooooo Apple did right. DDR4 SUX. Buuhhh huuuuh." This silence now... is quite unsettling.
Just pulled the trigger on the 15" 2.2ghz, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd, 560x gpu. I can finally retire my 13" mid 2010 mbp! This revision couldn't have come at a better time since I need a new laptop for school in sept.
Thanks! I'm hoping it'll last just as long.
I just don't see the value in what is essentially just a minor bump in clock speed. I'll be running VM's so the RAM upgrade made a lot more sense to me.
It also clocks higher, so under ideal conditions (=benchmarks) it could be a fair bit faster. In the real world, it will be limited by thermals and power, and I suspect there won't be that much performance difference between the different processor options. Even the cache, while a significant jump, only really benefits some subset of programs that need exactly >9 and <12 Mb cache. Most programs are going to need either less than 9, or more than 12, and for those it won't matter anyway.
For this upgrade, Apple is asking $300-400, which is roughly the cost of the i7. You're effectively paying 100% extra for what might be not even noticeable extra performance. Maybe to someone that's worth it, but not to me.
For someone willing to repaste the CPU with liquid metal however, the i9 could be the clear winner
Okay. I just ordered. I9, 32GB Ram, 1TB. Was thinking of going 2TB but all my files total up to around 300GB leaving me plenty of space.
I will see how much of a difference the new chip and ram makes via benchmarking.
I will see how much of a difference the new chip and ram makes via benchmarking.
Since I've been deep in benchmarks and pricing for a while, here are some recommendations for those who are wondering about BTO options:
* The CPU upgrades are unlikely to be worth it given the $3-400 cost to upgrade.
* The GPU upgrade is also not worth it, it doesn't deliver anywhere near $100 worth of extra performance.
* Disk storage is fast and easy to add externally, so get just as little as you think you can get by with. Cloud storage and external drives will be far more cost effective.
* The RAM upgrades are probably the best value, so if you think you need it then get that first. You can't upgrade later, and you can't add it externally. Remember though, you probably need less than you think.
* Probably don't get the nTB model just now. As it didn't get an update, and no price drop, it's currently pretty poor value.
* There's something like a 40-50% Apple tax on these machines compared to the competition. Not saying it's not worth it, just something to be aware of.
In general, you're paying roughly double the normal market rate for the upgrades, so if money is at all a concern it's worthwhile to prioritise. RAM first, SSD second, CPU last and GPU even laster. Of course, if you have infinite money or a very clear and pressing need, then other priorities may apply, but then you probably know it.
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13": i5-8259U, i7-8559U (both 4-core, the nTB is 2-core 7th gen)
15": i7-8750H, i7-8850H, i9-8950HK (all 6-core)
The 4-cores are effectively different versions of the same chip. Same with the 6-cores. Never mind the i5/i7/i9, it means pretty much nothing. The i9 is technically overclockable and a fair bit faster in theory, but it's unclear whether this will be available under macOS and in the current form factor.
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* The CPU upgrades are unlikely to be worth it given the $3-400 cost to upgrade.
* The GPU upgrade is also not worth it, it doesn't deliver anywhere near $100 worth of extra performance.
* Disk storage is fast and easy to add externally, so get just as little as you think you can get by with. Cloud storage and external drives will be far more cost effective.
* The RAM upgrades are probably the best value, so if you think you need it then get that first. You can't upgrade later, and you can't add it externally. Remember though, you probably need less than you think.
* Probably don't get the nTB model just now. As it didn't get an update, and no price drop, it's currently pretty poor value.
* There's something like a 40-50% Apple tax on these machines compared to the competition. Not saying it's not worth it, just something to be aware of.
In general, you're paying roughly double the normal market rate for the upgrades, so if money is at all a concern it's worthwhile to prioritise. RAM first, SSD second, CPU last and GPU even laster. Of course, if you have infinite money or a very clear and pressing need, then other priorities may apply, but then you probably know it.
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Yes, the CPU's available are:
13": i5-8259U, i7-8559U (both 4-core, the nTB is 2-core 7th gen)
15": i7-8750H, i7-8850H, i9-8950HK (all 6-core)
The 4-cores are effectively different versions of the same chip. Same with the 6-cores. Never mind the i5/i7/i9, it means pretty much nothing. The i9 is technically overclockable and a fair bit faster in theory, but it's unclear whether this will be available under macOS and in the current form factor.
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Good luck.
Probably somewhere between 30% and 100% for demanding tasks depending on what you have and what work you do.
I really don't think they had any choice. With a summer slump and all the competition shipping 8th gen chips for months now, sales must have been negligible. Shareholders don't like bad sales figures!!
Question is whether apple might do a relatively quick update when LPDDR4 is available for these chips and how much of a difference that would make to battery life. If they have increased battery power 20% to compensate then we would see close to a 2 hour increase in battery life roughly.