Are the Dell upgrades the exact same items (spec and speed wise) as what Apple offers?
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No they are not. Even so,for now apple is the only one who use 4T nvme SSD
There are some of us who see the glass as half full and then there are some of us who see the glass as half empty.
However, there are some who see the glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn’t cold enough, probably because it’s tap water when they asked for bottled water and wait, there’s a smudge on the rim, too, which means the glass wasn’t cleaned properly and now they’ll probably end up with some kind of virus. Why do these things always happen to them?!
They know who they are. Just enjoy your new purchase, be happy, and forget about those who will never be happy. Sure, they'll continue to try and piss in your cornflakes at any opportunity, but I wouldn't get so worked up about it.
No, although to be fair to Dell, Apple's ones isn't 7x better. One advantage Dell does have is, that the SSD's are removable/servicable, but Apple's will be faster. The RAM should be pretty much the same, perhaps faster on the Dell?
Saying that, I found it hard to believe that it was so cheap on the Dell so went to the site. It appears it's because there is currently >£300 off on that 1TB/32GB model, so could be a good buy! It would still make Apple's more expensive (and I do think overpriced, but that is generally the case nothing new) but it's not jumping from £99 to £700.
source: https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/lap...tops/new-xps-15-laptop/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop
I will take a look later on. I don’t use Windows but I do have some family members ( lost souls) who do. I will check things out and possibly relay good news to them.
The offer is pretty good, under £2,000 for those specs is really good. I think You'd have to pay over £3,000 with Apple easily.
Plus you may be able to get 5-15% just by speaking to Dell representatives. I may give it a go
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Interesting they're so confident of reaching that size, the industry as a whole seems to still stand by the consensus 7nm is the smallest guaranteed node (as far as mass production at reasonable yields goes) with 5 potentially being possible with a bit of witchcraft... I'm not doubting what you say is true, but it's interesting they are so confident of being able to work out the problems that they are investing that far ahead already.
Of course node size is one thing - transistor density is another big factor that can make it less relevant (Intel have tended to be a step ahead of competition at each node size just because of this - their 14nm is already at densities competitors use for 10nm, whilst their 10nm was meant to go above and beyond what the competition could offer at 7nm (If Krzanich was to be believed it is this 2.7x jump in transistor density that is giving them issues currently).
I called them and asked if there was any current promotions, and they added it to my account for me. And yes, I could pay for the laptop upfront right now, before anyone goes on a credit card rant.
I might try that as well. Like you, I can pay cash. 0% for 18 months is even better.
Just buy the dodoCool dongles. They are great. I also have a uGreen USB c hub and that one’s good too. Their dongle is even more seamless.
For reference, I got my dodocool dongle off Lazada at S$0.90 each. They are well made. Don’t have to pay that much for the Apple branded one.
I agree completely! The prices are absurd, but we still pull out the plastic!
Well... I am unhappy about the price. Especially in Europe. And as I said before... I would also have liked some other things (HDMI, SD Card, 4k,…) But that I can live with basically everything the way it is... as long as there is at least 32GB RAM. We got that... so I'm basically fine. Now my company just has to greenlight the purchase
I am a little confused by some of the numbers getting quoted around here.
Macbook Pro w/ i7-8750H, 32GB of RAM, Radeon Pro 555X, 1TB SSD is $3149 with the education discount and at the moment comes with $300 Beats Head phones. Say you sell these for $200, it brings the price of the machine to $2949.
XPS 15 9570 w/ i7-8750, 32GB of RAM, GTX 1050 Ti, 1 TB SSD is $2649 with the sale they have going on right now.
Thats a decent difference of about $300, but its not the 50% mark up, that's enough to buy an XPS 13 with the savings.
And I'm not convinced the XPS 15 is going to be the right comparison, since I've heard some issues with throttling (and we'll see if that's true with Apple as well). So if you assume things work out with Apple's machine, what if we step up to the i9 and compare to the precision 15 5530 from Dell:
MBP w/ i9-8950HK, 32GB of RAM, 512 GB SSD, Radeon Pro 560X, its $3229 with the .edu discount, and $3029 after selling those Beats.
The Precision w/ i9-8950HK, 32GB of RAM, 512 GB SSD, Nvidia Quadro P1000, is $2883. Now I don't really know how the Nvidia Quadro P1000 compares to the 560X, but if its not as good the Nvidia Quadro P2000 is an extra $100.
So, we're only in the $100-200 range.
This the new MBP, with the .edu discount or found on sale somewhere down the line, is really only like $200-500 different in price (depending on how you could the beats, considering that sale will go away). That's not really some insane Apple Tax. These are fairly priced machines, well worth the cost compared to their competitors, if you value macOS.
Macbook Pro w/ i7-8750H, 32GB of RAM, Radeon Pro 555X, 1TB SSD is $3149 with the education discount and at the moment comes with $300 Beats Head phones. Say you sell these for $200, it brings the price of the machine to $2949.
XPS 15 9570 w/ i7-8750, 32GB of RAM, GTX 1050 Ti, 1 TB SSD is $2649 with the sale they have going on right now.
Thats a decent difference of about $300, but its not the 50% mark up, that's enough to buy an XPS 13 with the savings.
And I'm not convinced the XPS 15 is going to be the right comparison, since I've heard some issues with throttling (and we'll see if that's true with Apple as well). So if you assume things work out with Apple's machine, what if we step up to the i9 and compare to the precision 15 5530 from Dell:
MBP w/ i9-8950HK, 32GB of RAM, 512 GB SSD, Radeon Pro 560X, its $3229 with the .edu discount, and $3029 after selling those Beats.
The Precision w/ i9-8950HK, 32GB of RAM, 512 GB SSD, Nvidia Quadro P1000, is $2883. Now I don't really know how the Nvidia Quadro P1000 compares to the 560X, but if its not as good the Nvidia Quadro P2000 is an extra $100.
So, we're only in the $100-200 range.
This the new MBP, with the .edu discount or found on sale somewhere down the line, is really only like $200-500 different in price (depending on how you could the beats, considering that sale will go away). That's not really some insane Apple Tax. These are fairly priced machines, well worth the cost compared to their competitors, if you value macOS.
It just depends on what you want and where you buy it. Costco has the Dell XPS 15 w/i7-8750, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, GTX 1050Ti, and 4K screen for $2299. Comes with 2 year warranty through Costco - upped to 4 years if purchased with their credit card.
Not saying to do that... Just saying there are cheaper ways to get that Dell.
Edit: Also GTX 1050Ti is probably much better than the 555X.
You are confused because you are talking about American pricing - and I'm talking about European pricing. This is why some people are giving out about pricing and others are not - the price differences between Apple and competitors in Europe are way off compared to the American ones. I'm also comparing what you can buy right now without any special discounts such as a student discount. In addition, by all accounts you can call Dell up and essentially haggle them into further discounts which you cannot do with Apple.
Fair enough, $650 isn't something to sneeze at, but that's definitely in the range of the typical "Apple Tax" we see.
And Apple is also always a bit behind the curve on the graphics card, though I can't imagine a very large percentage of sales go to people that are really going to be impacted by the difference between a 555x and a 1050Ti. Both Apple and Dell are now making more or less impossible to get a quality 15" machine without a dGPU, so I'm more or less happy to just call it a wash.
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Again, fair enough, but I've seen comparisons in American dollars that have made no damn sense here too. And, in America anyway, its hardly a trick find a way into a ".edu" address. For example, I've been out of college for 15 years and my .edu address is still active. Plenty of people have friends/family with edu address buy machines for them too.
But I’m sure neither Dell nor Windows provide the same kind of free extras you get with the Apple software
Wait I am supposed to be getting "free extras" with my 13" MBP? Can you direct me to this, please?But I’m sure neither Dell nor Windows provide the same kind of free extras you get with the Apple software
EU has VAT, American prices don't show Sales tax which is 8-10% and Customs Import duties and regulatory differences in either product or warranty requirements make up the price difference.
Well not that I wanna defend Apple on raping us when wanting more ram/space etc. they do have to provide two years warranty in more civilized countries, so that is one excuse which is kinda negligible though probably adds to their costs especially given the expensive replacements, where sometimes even their hdds are being replaced just for a keyboard design failure
Yeah Dell offer and education discount too you realise! that doens't distinguish between brands!
Ok pay attention. I was not comparing EU to US prices. I was comparing EU Apple prices to EU Dell prices. There is a huge difference. A bigger difference then between US Apple prices and US Dell prices.
But you can't double up on big sales at Costco, for example, and the .edu discount. I'm comparing the best price you can get on an Apple to the best price we can find on a Dell. So where are you going with this?
Actually you can with Dell. Not online. You need to call them up and haggle. It actually works. I'm **** at haggling however, but if I were buying I wouldl have my friend do it - he is good at haggling. I'm getting at Apple being horrendously overpriced compared to Dell ... obviously !?!
By all means ignore the special offer Dell have right now, and compare the list price of both similarly specced machines. Apple €4099, Dell €2600. And both will give you a 10% student discount if you are a student. That is still a HUGE difference.The apple price is 157% of the Dell price
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