Hmm, your tone exudes irrationality. I'd like to actually see some sources from you. You said in another thread you can get the XPS 15 with 2.2 GHz i7, 1TB SSD, 32 GB of RAM for 2200 euros. Best deal that's been brought up in the us is about $2200. The conversion now is about $1.17 to 1 euro, so that's an added 17% off? Then you say the similar MBP is 4000 euro. But I'm guessing that's full retail, right? Are you telling me that in Europe you couldn't find this on sale in the near future? If so, what a more typical discount in the euro zone?
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Hmm, your tone exudes irrationality. I'd like to actually see some sources from you. You said in another thread you can get the XPS 15 with 2.2 GHz i7, 1TB SSD, 32 GB of RAM for 2200 euros. Best deal that's been brought up in the us is about $2200. The conversion now is about $1.17 to 1 euro, so that's an added 17% off? Then you say the similar MBP is 4000 euro. But I'm guessing that's full retail, right? Are you telling me that in Europe you couldn't find this on sale in the near future? If so, what a more typical discount in the euro zone?
Apple never have sales in Europe. Dell have a 5 day deal with 15% off - presumably because they new Apple were releasing new machines. the dela price for that is €2200. THe price after 5 days will be €2600. The Apple with same spec is €4,099. I can tell you are a doubter so give me a few mins and I'll get you some screen shots.
Edit - ok screenshots - there are 3. The specs are as close as I can match them. This Dell has a 4k screen also over the MBP.
1. The Dell spec:
2. The Dell price before and after discount:
3. The MBP spec and price:
So you can see - even without the temporary discount - the full price Dell is €1499 cheaper than the MBP. I could buy an whole other computer with that (Dell XPS13" starts at €1298). Or a car.
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Just for comparison: i9, 32GB Ram, 1TB SSD. German official stores, prices including VAT. Without any EDU discount, just the price a customer has to pay:
// Now with Dell 4k instead of FHD display
// Now with Dell 4k instead of FHD display
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Well, who knows? I don't have any first hand information, I just know what's reported by the tech press. But it's of course not simply a matter of being first to shrink. Nvidia is another company that's doing quite well while still sticking to mature nodes. With AMD, I think part of their current success is that they're managing to keep a wide and strong product line for CPUs while also keeping yields very high. There's much more to chip design and production than people normally know. But wherever the limits end up being to current tech improvements, there will be other materials, and eventually other technologies entirely that allow us to go further with computing. I'm confident that computers will continue getting faster and faster for many centuries still, we just don't know exactly how yet.
Yeah it does suck. But it doesn't suck so much that I would €1,600 for the same spec machine. Most of the software I use is platform agnostic, I'll adapt if I have to.
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Maybe a 3nm facility is not for production semiconductors - maybe its a research facility or for quantum chips or something ?
Well that's a hell of a deal. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for jumping on a that XPS for equivalent of $1880 USD. Even compared to US pricing on the similar spec'd Mac, that might be too good of a deal to pass up.
These types of differences are (partly) why different manufacturers do better or worse in different regions. If anyone was paying attention to the latest quarterly shipping estimates on the front page, Apple has a 12.7% market share in the US but only something like 5.4% for the rest of the world. Instead, Lenovo have as much as 24% outside the US and only ~15% in the US. Acer are 3.3% in the US but 7.3% for the world excluding US. Point is, Apple is objectively not at all as competitive in Europe (for example) as they are in the US. There are several possible reasons for this, many of which have been mentioned here already so I don't need to repeat them.
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It was volume production for semiconductors for sure, but obviously not a lot of detail. I think IBM have a 5nm process in the works too, and we've seen 1nm chips in samples I believe. That doesn't automatically mean volume production obviously, and 1nm would probably be a decade or more away if it happens. Point being that there's solid money put behind the belief that we'll see process nodes go beyond 7nm. But we obviously don't know costs or yields or timings or performance or just about anything yet, so we'll just have to keep our eye on the tech radar and wait
It all depends on your workload. If you don’t need a six core CPU and won’t be buying 32GB of RAM, the 2017 would be fine.
For those that can utilize the extra cores, $400 would be cheap and a no-brainer to go with the 2018. A software developer might be able to cover that in a month, from time saved with Xcode alone, and wouldn’t consider it overpriced in the least.
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None at all most likely. Are you talking gaming or compute? Are we talking consumer grade GPU or professional?
Between the $2499 13 inch MacBook Pro with a 2.7 ghz quad core processor, 16gb ddr3 and 512gb ssd and the $2499 15 inch 2.2 ghz six core with 16gb ddr4 with 256gb ssd and the upgraded hou to 560 which is the better buy? Also which one would produce better benchmarks?
The 15" would benchmark better for sure. Which one would be the better buy depends entirely on what you want from a laptop. Don't get the 560 upgrade though, I can't imagine that being worth the money in any scenario.
Benchmarks on the 13":
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks
Geekbench4: 18,055
The article doens't seem to say which chip its using but I would guess thats the top end quad core ???
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks
Geekbench4: 18,055
The article doens't seem to say which chip its using but I would guess thats the top end quad core ???
Benchmarks on the 13":
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks
Geekbench4: 18,055
The article doens't seem to say which chip its using but I would guess thats the top end quad core ???
So that 13" is almost on par with the fastest iMac non-pro in MC score, nice
So that 13" is almost on par with the fastest iMac non-pro in MC score, nice
To be honest I'm suspicious of this score. Its very high
Well I feel like I’d need more power. I saw those laptop mag benchmarks on the 13 inch with iris pro graphics, it still significantly lags behind the competition which is making me lean towards getting a 15 inch six core with 16gb, 256. I can definitely understand what you mean about the 560, I’d be saving a hundred bucks.
The score may well be correct, but a more general issue is that benchmark results very often do not translate into real world performance. This is especially true for laptops.
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You mean it lags behind in gaming? That will be true for all MBPs, but the 15" is certainly viable for light gaming while the 13" really isn't. The 560 upgrade is whatever I guess, you're getting $20 worth of performance for $100, but $100 is less than what I've paid for lunch (once) so nbd.
I am a software developer, but not iOS. We develop on iMac and MBP. Not that I can't afford that. But I feel its pretty steep. I don't know if I can use it for about 8 years for the money I am putting in.
Yeah, no problem with bottlenecking the CPU there, neither for games nor compute.