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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

maflynn said:
Still the Razer was a fine computer
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Hey, how'd that keyboard feel? I just realized that Razer invented their own mini mechanical switch that blends a scissor mechanism with a mechanical switch instead of a rubber dome. Does it feel like anything you can compare it to?
 
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Hey, how'd that keyboard feel? I just realized that Razer invented their own mini mechanical switch that blends a scissor mechanism with a mechanical switch instead of a rubber dome. Does it feel like anything you can compare it to?
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The keyboard felt really good, but a couple annoyances related to the keyboard.
First the secondary values for the number and function keys are not backlist. That is I see the 6, but not the ^ That's an issue with my usage.
Second one is that ? key is not next to the shift key but rather the up arrow key. I can remap that,so the up arrow becomes the ? so its a minor annoyance. I wished they stuck with a standard keyboard layout. The backlighting I mentioned is more of a problem.
 
maflynn said:
I'm no longer in the waiting category, I ordered the 2018 MBP. I think the final piece of the puzzle the information about the 3rd gen keyboard and iFixit illustrating how well that piece of silicon works. I'm still taking a chance in that we have no track record in how that will hold up under years of typing. I still have a twinge of regret with regard to the Razer, I really did like that laptop. One of the little niggling things that bothered me (there was no major show stoppers) was the fact I constantly needed to alter the power settings, for performance or battery, mostly because of fan noise and not because of heat. I don't know if the 2018 MBP will be quieter but my 2012 is. I know with 6 cores, this bad boy will be hotter then that 6 year old computer but I'm not looking to game on it, so I think it will be ok. Still the Razer was a fine computer
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I think one thing is for certain, that if the keyboard issues persist with the 2018 that we'll be covered under the repair program. Apple won't want another round of negative reviews for an issue they've known about for a couple of years.

That is my logic anyway, and why I bit the bullet and ordered the 2018
 
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I think one thing is for certain, that if the keyboard issues persist with the 2018 that we'll be covered under the repair program. Apple won't want another round of negative reviews for an issue they've known about for a couple of years.

That is my logic anyway, and why I bit the bullet and ordered the 2018
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I don't think the keyboard issue can persist anymore, at least not the same one due to the membrane. Maybe a new issue will come about related to the membrane solution itself, but hopefully not.
 
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Ma2k5 said:
I don't think the keyboard issue can persist anymore, at least not the same one due to the membrane. Maybe a new issue will come about related to the membrane solution itself, but hopefully not.
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If Apple devised this in response to the growing rancor, I would still be worried. If they did this as the result of continuing efforts to improve their product based on what they learned from previous releases, I'd be more optimistic. Anything that was done to patch up something on an emergency basis is more likely to have side effects that could end up being as bad or worse.

People here are really upset when they get a replacement keyboard that's just a new copy of the one they found to be defective, but a new copy of your old keyboard is actually the safest option because they just don't have the data to be sure that an updated keyboard in your older machine will be better. An "improved" keyboard could actually be worse when installed into a previous generation machine. Until they know for sure how everything will interact, it's best to go with the devil they know and hope the second time's a charm.
 
Ma2k5 said:
I don't think the keyboard issue can persist anymore, at least not the same one due to the membrane. Maybe a new issue will come about related to the membrane solution itself, but hopefully not.
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One can hope, we just don't how that will hold up with years of usage.
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Ma2k5 said:
Good to hear you finally come to a conclusion on your laptop
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Its been a long road, I wanted to buy one in 2016, but I didn't need one, 2017 was a disappointment but I knew by 2018 I was in need. I learned a lot these past few months, so there's no regrets there. Both technology wise, but also my needs and wants. Sometimes you don't know what you're missing until you don't have it, and I do like the macOS/apple ecosystem. Odd thing, is one of the first things I'll put on this machine is windows. I still need a windows machine, so I'll either do it via vmware or bootcamp. I'm not sure which at this point
 
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maflynn said:
I'm no longer in the waiting category, I ordered the 2018 MBP. I think the final piece of the puzzle the information about the 3rd gen keyboard and iFixit illustrating how well that piece of silicon works. I'm still taking a chance in that we have no track record in how that will hold up under years of typing. I still have a twinge of regret with regard to the Razer, I really did like that laptop. One of the little niggling things that bothered me (there was no major show stoppers) was the fact I constantly needed to alter the power settings, for performance or battery, mostly because of fan noise and not because of heat. I don't know if the 2018 MBP will be quieter but my 2012 is. I know with 6 cores, this bad boy will be hotter then that 6 year old computer but I'm not looking to game on it, so I think it will be ok. Still the Razer was a fine computer
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Woah. With all that’s said here, didn’t expect you to buy one. Hope you love it! Let us know about the heat and keyboard. :)
 
bykaraanne said:
Woah. With all that’s said here, didn’t expect you to buy one. Hope you love it! Let us know about the heat and keyboard. :)
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I was one day away from re-purchasing the Razer, literally. I all but gave up on the MBP. My family was putting some pressure on wanting the Mac, though I'll be the predominant user.
 
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another thing that may effect some users is this may be the last new mac released that will run 32bit software, any hardware released after the next OS may prevent High Sierra installation.
 
maflynn said:
The keyboard felt really good, but a couple annoyances related to the keyboard.
First the secondary values for the number and function keys are not backlist. That is I see the 6, but not the ^ That's an issue with my usage.
Second one is that ? key is not next to the shift key but rather the up arrow key. I can remap that,so the up arrow becomes the ? so its a minor annoyance. I wished they stuck with a standard keyboard layout. The backlighting I mentioned is more of a problem.
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I find the backlighting to be better then it was on the 16 model in my experience, but may not be as good as it was on your 2012 computer.
 
Lobwedgephil said:
I find the backlighting to be better then it was on the 16 model in my experience, but may not be as good as it was on your 2012 computer.
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I don't know, about that, since I have no experience with those models, but I did struggle to use the laptop while sitting in a dimly lit room. At least using the shift <Number>
 
Daveiggy said:
another thing that may effect some users is this may be the last new mac released that will run 32bit software, any hardware released after the next OS may prevent High Sierra installation.
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Keep in mind though that Mojave still supports 32bit applications. It’s just announced that the release thereafter won’t support them anymore.
 
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spintronics said:
I'm thinking about choosing these specs too but I'm really afraid of termal throttling.
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Here's a review by zollotech (never heard of this person before):
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In a final cut pro 4k compression it appears he's getting a good bit of throttling and the 2017 machine finishes faster. I'm a bit ignorant of what this job is using, CPU/GPU/both? Anyone care to chime in?

I'm not surprised by some heavy work load throttling, but going slower than the 2017 machine is certainly a concern. I wonder how frequent we'll see this as more benchmarking and thermal tests appear.
 
Hitrate said:
By the way let's talk ram speed, and other tiny areas that might(?) be soon improved...will we see 2666 MHz ram similar to the iMac Pro (or at least better than 2133) ? I know I know, we probably won't see 32gb or ddr4 because of intel, we've been through all this time and time again. But would/could/shouldn't there be at least a MHz spec update this time around? What's the excuse for not upgrading those spec's ?! Could there be any thanges to CAS latencies or other slight improvements? Will the 2018 MBP finally have Bluetooth 5 ? Could there be (slight) improvements to the read and or write speed of the SSD ?
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DDR3 is only standardized up to 2133MHz, and given that the overall performance gain would probably be fractions of a percent while adding cost, I'd say the chance is pretty much zero. SSD speed is pretty similar. They're already about as fast as is possible today without doing fancy (=costly) things, and there's effectively zero performance to be gained for the vast majority of users. So pretty much zero chance of that too.
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Sorry guys, have to toot my own horn a bit again here, since I was not only right about the ram speed increase, but also the SSD, and BT 5.0 - so much for "zero chance" :D

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wallysb01 said:
Here's a review by zollotech (never heard of this person before):
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In a final cut pro 4k compression it appears he's getting a good bit of throttling and the 2017 machine finishes faster. I'm a bit ignorant of what this job is using, CPU/GPU/both? Anyone care to chime in?

I'm not surprised by some heavy work load throttling, but going slower than the 2017 machine is certainly a concern. I wonder how frequent we'll see this as more benchmarking and thermal tests appear.
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We really need numbers/side by side tests of all available models and configs to get to the bottom of which performs best under heavy load, I'm not personally that fond of the potentially louder machine, so would opt for the most silent config..
 
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maflynn said:
I'm no longer in the waiting category, I ordered the 2018 MBP. I think the final piece of the puzzle the information about the 3rd gen keyboard and iFixit illustrating how well that piece of silicon works. I'm still taking a chance in that we have no track record in how that will hold up under years of typing. I still have a twinge of regret with regard to the Razer, I really did like that laptop. One of the little niggling things that bothered me (there was no major show stoppers) was the fact I constantly needed to alter the power settings, for performance or battery, mostly because of fan noise and not because of heat. I don't know if the 2018 MBP will be quieter but my 2012 is. I know with 6 cores, this bad boy will be hotter then that 6 year old computer but I'm not looking to game on it, so I think it will be ok. Still the Razer was a fine computer
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Did you get the 13'' or 15''?
 
At least, can we say that Apple stopped to make it thinner?
If yes, thanks God!
They should have stopped making it thinner not now, but back in 2015.
At last, better late than never...
 
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The teardown from iFixit is up. The inside actually looks a bit different from previous models.

Nothing changed cooling-wise, however...
 
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maflynn said:
15", my old eyes can't deal with the smaller screen :)
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i suppose the i7 cpu ?
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maflynn said:
I'm no longer in the waiting category, I ordered the 2018 MBP. I think the final piece of the puzzle the information about the 3rd gen keyboard and iFixit illustrating how well that piece of silicon works. I'm still taking a chance in that we have no track record in how that will hold up under years of typing. I still have a twinge of regret with regard to the Razer, I really did like that laptop. One of the little niggling things that bothered me (there was no major show stoppers) was the fact I constantly needed to alter the power settings, for performance or battery, mostly because of fan noise and not because of heat. I don't know if the 2018 MBP will be quieter but my 2012 is. I know with 6 cores, this bad boy will be hotter then that 6 year old computer but I'm not looking to game on it, so I think it will be ok. Still the Razer was a fine computer
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Trust me it is less hot than any 2012/2013 models..but i have the i7 six cores (15" base model with 512ssd), not i9...so i dont know about the i9
 
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