I think this is one of the reason (besides money) that Apple didn’t gave us all these upgrades for free when purchasing the MacBook Pro. It’s still in the experimental phase and Apple needs the reviews from the rich folks buying all the upgrades. The majority don’t have the funds to buy extra hardware and therefore won’t run into all the issues the i9 gonna cause = more positive than negative reviews. It’s a good strategy to keep the problems in the shadow for the general public.
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Thanks for the info. My local store did have the BTO specs I am after. They were keeping it aside for me, and as I went online to cancel my order, it changed to Preparing to Dispatch. Merde....
Oh well. at least it should be here in the UK by Tuesday next week (hopefully)
If anybody was after a 13" 2.7 I7, 16GB and 1TB SG, Braehead had one in stock at lunchtime today
I really don't understand why people care about True Tone - I do some light photo editting (in Adobe Lightroom 6) - the last thing that I want is my screen changing color! I have it calibrated with a iDisplayPro... FWIW I use Flux, but only when doing non-colour workflows.
As for the larger battery I was initially hoping the same, but it seems to have worse battery life according to intial reviews... For 2016-2017 owners I see very little to envy (am considering upgrade from 2013 to get 16GB of RAM)
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I'm not a fan of it, I turned it off on my iPhone, iPad and I'll turn it off on my MBP
I am by no means a pro user and I am still more than happy with my 2015 13” MacBook Pro. I doubt there are too many people that would require the max spec of 4TB etc, but if we’re seeing these kind of prices now, in two or three years’ time could we be seeing £8,000-£10,000 for a fully specced MacBook Pro? The world’s gone mad..!
You really have got to wonder how many 4TB drives will they sell at those prices? I mean will it cover the cost of introducing the option in the first place (so like web site changes, manufacturing costs, logistics).
At 300% markup or whatever they have for that upgrade, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it did
Having that option probably doesn't cost them a whole lot extra if it's still the same number of chips. I haven't seen how they do it, but I'd have to assume that all logic boards have the same number of places for RAM chips.
Seriously, and why not use external drives.
For instance, this youtuber who's an uber apple fan did an unboxing of her 2018 MBP with 4TB. She then went on how she uses large capacity external drives because she works on her iMac and MBP. So all of her projects are on the external drive. Why in the world did she buy the 4TB if she works on external drives - maybe I misunderstood her, but that made no sense to me
A cursory glance at her posted comments indicates she enjoys typing in caps ("WHO IS HYPED" / "WHO IS UP").
Make of that what you will, heh.
Probably because she just has the disposable income to spare, so choosing convenience over cost is a no-brainer to her. I myself have some larger projects saved on external HDDs and it's by no means a bad solution, but I would love to leave them at home and have my terabytes of files saved internally on a super thin MacBook Pro and accessible wherever I go. It's essentially a payoff between cost and convenience, so if the $3000+ for a 4TB SSD is not much to her which it is probably not, then why not go for it to live a more convenient life.
There's also the other argument that the MBP's SSD speeds are pretty much the best in the class AFAIK, even significantly faster than the Samsung T3/T5 (not sure which) that she waved around in the video. In a job where each ounce of read and write speed matters, that might make a difference to her.
Bragging rights? Maybe she can claim it versus tax? Jesus was the massive kitchen knife necessary ???
Yeah, she seems over the top with her apple stuff, given how much money she pulls in for her YT, I'm not feeling sorry for herBragging rights? Maybe she can claim it versus tax? Jesus was the massive kitchen knife necessary ???
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Without question, she has it to spend
I’ve only had a Mac for the past 2.5 years and bow to the superior knowledge of you guys who are clearly a lot more knowledgeable about all things Apple and computing than I am. I’ve only really taken an interest in Apple/macOS the past couple of years. Are the keyboard issues of 2016 and 2017 models and throttling issues of the 2018 ones a common thing? Have most year’s updates had issues or is this a recent thing and is it down to Apple perhaps trying to be a bit too ambitious in the specs? Interested to know your thoughts.
I think most of us (including me) started to really jump to conclusions on the heating issue. It is throttling, and apple needs to make the fans spin up a bit more aggressively, but it really does depend on your personal use case. For instance, I really doubt if I'll hit any thermal throttling when I use lightroom or photoshop (I don't push that hard at all). I also don't play games. My kids use the Macs for homework and watching videos, that might make it a bit toasty so we'll have to wait and see.
As for issues, the keyboard is a new one, in the sense that they really never had issues with the keyboard before, but in the past they had problems with the GPU. I don't know what to say, because I've always enjoyed using Macs and Apple's customer support is the best in the industry
On the flip side, one of the things I do intermittently is build stats models that take 24hrs of cpu work to complete. Thus, throttling is a big concern for me.
No question that it can be an issue. I'm upfront that my usage is considered on the low end of what many others need the laptop for.
And with a TR box idling nearby you would still prefer to use the MBP?
I travel for work a fair bit! Need some level of power on the road
I think both issues are blown out of proportion, at least a bit. The keyboard issues are real, but definitely only occur for a minority of users. How many is unknown, but some semi-anecdotal evidence suggests that the failure rates are not really that unusual for the business as a whole. What may have upset people is that for a long time Apple just ignored the problem, and now they have an extended warranty program in place but appear to replace defective devices with others that have the same design flaw. Not great, but there have been bigger scandals in the world.
As far as the throttling... I think anyone who knows anything about tech expected the new MBP's to throttle to some extent. There's nothing surprising or unusual about that, and arguably not even an error. What people are discussing though is whether the throttling is more severe than what is acceptable. At the moment there are a lot of subjective opinions, but fairly little solid data. And it does appear that the throttling can be remedied by installing an app that allows you to change the fan profile. Again not great, should have been there from the start, but also not the biggest scandal.
But this is the Apple fan crowd and everything gets magnified, good as well as bad. If you can look beyond that, the machines are pretty good at least for some use cases, and there are some cool people to chat with here as well
It's really cool to hear that the 13" now has full-speed Thunderbolt 3 ports on the right side. In case anyone didn't know, the previous 13" had limited bandwidth on the right side Thunderbolt ports.
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I think both issues are blown out of proportion, at least a bit. The keyboard issues are real, but definitely only occur for a minority of users. How many is unknown, but some semi-anecdotal evidence suggests that the failure rates are not really that unusual for the business as a whole. What may have upset people is that for a long time Apple just ignored the problem, and now they have an extended warranty program in place but appear to replace defective devices with others that have the same design flaw. Not great, but there have been bigger scandals in the world.
As far as the throttling... I think anyone who knows anything about tech expected the new MBP's to throttle to some extent. There's nothing surprising or unusual about that, and arguably not even an error. What people are discussing though is whether the throttling is more severe than what is acceptable. At the moment there are a lot of subjective opinions, but fairly little solid data. And it does appear that the throttling can be remedied by installing an app that allows you to change the fan profile. Again not great, should have been there from the start, but also not the biggest scandal.
But this is the Apple fan crowd and everything gets magnified, good as well as bad. If you can look beyond that, the machines are pretty good at least for some use cases, and there are some cool people to chat with here as well
Well, I think you are dismissing the issue to easily. Apple are charging top dollar for upgrades. And I would not expect the average user to know enough to be wary about throttling. Certainly, if the i9 is performing lower than the i7 under sustained load I find it kind of outrageous that they want hundreds of dollars for the upgrade.
This is essentially why i continue to buy them. I need a solution that will work for at least 4 years relatively flawlessly with expedited/effective support if it doesn't (that also runs osx). Currently no other company offers this.
Build quality alone would keep me coming back - even with the keyboard issues. It's just disappointing to see stuff like this and the keyboard issue ruin what is otherwise a pretty unique product.
Same mind, and don't think it's unreasonable to have the advertised performance. Crux of the matter is the notebooks are simply too thin to allow the new hex core CPU's, to fully strech their legs, which for some ruins the biggest update to the MBP since 2012.
If we're lucky Apple will issue a firmware update to address the fans. Potentially the power limits, equally as the hex core CPU's boost higher the power demand can be more than double...
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