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I would not buy a laptop with FaceID. In fact I'd prefer it didnt' have Touchbar or TouchID also.
I will not return for typing password every time..so us who already are used with touchid is hard to no longer have this or faceid,and thats the future for apple. Touchid or faceid,so get on board or you should look somewhere else
 
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I will not return for typing password every time..so us who already are used with touchid is hard to no longer have this or faceid

I would deal with TouchID (I don't want it, but I can learn to accept it), but the Touchbar and FaceID are absolute no-nos to me and if next version can't be got without I'll jump to Dell
 
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Dell has windows hello, so something similar to faceid. But i think even so, all of them cant be disabled

Yup....
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Have we seen this yet - geekbench scores for new 13" MBP's with the quad core Kaby Lakes:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Refre...aby-Lake-R-could-be-coming-soon.251604.0.html

Edit: Amazed no-one has reacted to this. Geekbench scores for Kaby Lake R MBPs people!!!

No one has reacted to this because Kaby Lake R(efresh) is again same architecture and process. I don't know what you were expecting from the same CPU only with two cores more attached to it. It's not even Coffee Lake.

The real deal is expected to come with the new nodes at 10nm, there is the tock we are expecting for four years... And they are expected to come in late 2018. And maybe they won't be suitable for nTB MacBook Pro by then, so... This thread should be named "Waiting for the 2019 MBP" xD
 
No one has reacted to this because Kaby Lake R(efresh) is again same architecture and process. I don't know what you were expecting from the same CPU only with two cores more attached to it. It's not even Coffee Lake.

The real deal is expected to come with the new nodes at 10nm, there is the tock we are expecting for four years... And they are expected to come in late 2018. And maybe they won't be suitable for nTB MacBook Pro by then, so... This thread should be named "Waiting for the 2019 MBP" xD

Who said anything about Coffee Lake ? The point is if they are showing up in GB, then we may have a late 2017 model - even if only a CPU bump on the 13". The thread is not titled "Waiting for the Coffee Lake MBP"
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It looks like Intel and AMD teaming up. Intel CPU with integrated Vega graphics: http://wccftech.com/intel-mobile-processors-amd-vega-inside/

Lets hope not. Consumers need them to be competing. We only seeing quad core Kaby-Lake R because of competition from Rhyzen
 
Was going to get a 2017 13" TB but decided to wait for this new model with a 4-core CPU instead. My 2015 13" is still fine until then.

Been dreaming of a 4-core 13" since like 2010
 
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I would not buy a laptop with FaceID. In fact I'd prefer it didnt' have Touchbar or TouchID also.

I will not return for typing password every time..so us who already are used with touchid is hard to no longer have this or faceid,and thats the future for apple. Touchid or faceid,so get on board or you should look somewhere else

As an owner & user of a Surface Book in a professional role there are times when you simply do not want your notebook to "auto unlock". At times when dealing with privileged and or sensitive information/data the very last thing you want during an impromptu conversation is the notebook to unlock inadvertently due to a casual glance.

Fairly moot as long as such features can be opted out of, equally there's good reason to not want the likes of FaceID/Windows Hello to be enabled by default. Personally when engaged on a project I'll turn off such features by default to ensure the display remains locked until I consciously want it unlocked.

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As an owner & user of a Surface Book in a professional role there are times when you simply do not want your notebook to "auto unlock". At times when dealing with privileged and or sensitive information/data the very last thing you want during an impromptu conversation is the notebook to unlock inadvertently due to a casual glance.

Fairly moot as long as such features can be opted out of, equally there's good reason to not want the likes of FaceID/Windows Hello to be enabled by default. Personally when engaged on a project I'll turn off such features by default to ensure the display remains locked until I consciously want it unlocked.

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That's a good point. But I think there are even more fundamental issues. You spend alot of time sitting in front of your computer for a variety of tasks. Now imagine your computer suddenly has the ability to both recognise you and track your gaze (as this tech seemingly does). All kinds of ways that could be misused. For example: your browser could tell what ads you are looking at or for how long (no longer do you need to even click or hover your mouse for them to tell you are interested), your email client might be able to send a read receipt to your boss that it was definitely you who opened the email and read 53% of it before losing interest. Or perhaps your work computer could allow your boss track that you spent only 10% of your time working on that top priority document.
There are just so many ways in which this tech might be used to erode privacy in a laptop.
 
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seems the 8th generation is almost 40% faster than 7th...so its a nice boost, IF apple wants to put these into their Macbooks line up
 
seems the 8th generation is almost 40% faster than 7th...so its a nice boost, IF apple wants to put these into their Macbooks line up

Which generation is present in the current mbp line?
Will the new generation (coffee-canonlake) cpus probably have the 8th generation?
 
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seems the 8th generation is almost 40% faster than 7th...so its a nice boost, IF apple wants to put these into their Macbooks line up

Not entirely. The processors described are the 15Watt ones, they can only go into Macbook, not Macbook Pro which uses more powerufl 45W.

And secondly, the huge boost (40%) is mostly due to first time in history, Intel adding 2 more cores and 4 threads to the 15W lineup, they now have 4 cores and 8 threads.

45W ones already have 4/8ct so don't expect anywhere that jump when they are released.
 
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Not entirely. The processors described are the 15Watt ones, they can only go into Macbook, not Macbook Pro which uses more powerufl 45W.

And secondly, the huge boost (40%) is mostly due to first time in history, Intel adding 2 more cores and 4 threads to the 15W lineup, they now have 4 cores and 8 threads.

45W ones already have 4/8ct so don't expect anywhere that jump when they are released.

There are Geekbench score showing up using the 15W chips: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Refre...aby-Lake-R-could-be-coming-soon.251604.0.html

Doesn't mean they would ship a product of course, but they probably thinking about it
 
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Yea I tried to edit my post but there is a weird error, this 15W lineup looks superb!

Finally ultrabooks will have a CPU that can do some proper work, this lineup in Macbook would make it a decent machine for once, the top CPU of this 15W generation in benchmarks comes close to rivaling the top CPU option of the current Macbook Pro.
 
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so Intel will let 15W chip to overpower the 45W? i think if the 8th 45W will gain only 5% performance boost, the gap will be a lot closer
And performance wise, the nTB will outperform the tb 13"MBP?
[doublepost=1507807085][/doublepost]i wonder if Apple, will put only the 15W Intel 8th into the entire 13" mbp line up
 
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Well as far as I know, and I'm far from expert, over longer more intensive CPU tasks the 45W will maintain its boost speeds whereas the 15W won't, so in the end 45W will always win in more intensive tasks, even the benchmarks show they are equal.

And yea the gap between in performance between 15W and 45W was always due to the 45W having 2 more cores, so it's interesting what Intel has in store for that
 
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That's a good point. But I think there are even more fundamental issues. You spend alot of time sitting in front of your computer for a variety of tasks. Now imagine your computer suddenly has the ability to both recognise you and track your gaze (as this tech seemingly does). All kinds of ways that could be misused. For example: your browser could tell what ads you are looking at or for how long (no longer do you need to even click or hover your mouse for them to tell you are interested), your email client might be able to send a read receipt to your boss that it was definitely you who opened the email and read 53% of it before losing interest. Or perhaps your work computer could allow your boss track that you spent only 10% of your time working on that top priority document.
There are just so many ways in which this tech might be used to erode privacy in a laptop.

Dependant on local legislation companies can and do track employee's usage of provided hardware. Certainly my own time in corporate I only used the provided hardware for company business, preferring to carry secondary and even tertiary devices for any personal matters.

Like much these days, one needs to consider convenience versus what one may be required to give up for the said convenience. Personally preferring to think on such matters, turning on or off settings as appropriate, as just because it's presented to you, doesn't always mean it's wise to use...

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Like much these days, one needs to consider convenience versus what one may be required to give up for the said convenience. Personally preferring to think on such matters, turning on or off settings as appropriate, as just because it's presented to you, doesn't always mean it's wise to use...

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Well said.

I don't use the touch id on my iphone (a 6S) or my MBP (from 2016). I prefer entering a password, as it then remains protected from government searches by the Fifth Amendment.
 
Well said.

I don't use the touch id on my iphone (a 6S) or my MBP (from 2016). I prefer entering a password, as it then remains protected from government searches by the Fifth Amendment.

Are you serious? You live your life so your government can't search your phone..... amazing. land of the free.
 
Well said.

I don't use the touch id on my iphone (a 6S) or my MBP (from 2016). I prefer entering a password, as it then remains protected from government searches by the Fifth Amendment.
You do realize passwords can be cracked, right?
 
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