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You do realize passwords can be cracked, right?
Not all passwords can be cracked in the span of a human life time. Depending on the length and the complexity of the password it might take thousands to millions of years with our current technology. Also, IF Naimfan has set up his iphone to self erase after 10 wrong entries then the attacker is screwed anyways. No, password cracking is not a viable solution if you want to breach someones phone.
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Duh.

And as an officer in the military, I have nothing to hide in any event. It's the principle.
Respect to you. I totally agree, its about principle and defending the rights countless human lives have fought for so that we all can have our freedom and privacy.
 
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It’s interesting to see John Lewis have the range on offer with near permanent discounts now, usually on specific colour-configurations. I’m guessing the increase in the £ since the prices were set in 2016 has allowed them to either absorb more of the cost differential, or else press Apple for a better wholesale cost - hopefully Apple will actually drop the prices accordingly at the next refresh, even if there is no $ price cut.
 
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do you think would be fine to bite the bullet and buy macbook pro 13" with 256gbs and 8gb ram or try to wait for another refresh with or without new cpus from intel?. i just need a macbook to start learning swift =/
i could try to get macbook pro mid 2012 but i think $899 still way too high for it, still have to add the extra ram module and hdd caddy =/
 
No one has reacted to this because Kaby Lake R(efresh) is again same architecture and process. I don't know what you were expecting from the same CPU only with two cores more attached to it. It's not even Coffee Lake.

The real deal is expected to come with the new nodes at 10nm, there is the tock we are expecting for four years... And they are expected to come in late 2018. And maybe they won't be suitable for nTB MacBook Pro by then, so... This thread should be named "Waiting for the 2019 MBP" xD

So it's realistic to expect this spec bump before Christmas?
 
Nope. Apple has never released two MacBook Pro refreshes less than 8 months apart, let alone 6. It’s coming in March, or worst case in June.

Thanks Benface. I wish it wasn't the case but that is probably true. I was waiting a long time for the 2016 15" MacBook Pro and was disappointed at the mid-level spec, removal of ports and premium added for touchbar. So I ended up buying a powerful 15" PC laptop. I do basic video editing for my YouTube channel. Adobe Premiere Pro has been a learning curve for me and I miss Final Cut!

I love the 13" MacBook Pro form factor and was looking at it in store again this week but fear it is underpowered for my needs. Whilst I think Apple were silly to remove the USB ports I understand the argument to push consumers to Thunderbolt 3 (although they were silly in ignoring current users). However, for the life of me I cannot understand why they would remove the SD card slot when it is so vital to everyday users for easily moving media.

I now know my dream machine is a 13" MacBook Pro with fast processor and graphics card of 4 - 6 - 8GB memory so I can edit 4K video with ease - and an SD card slot. It would be easy to transport and use at home with a monitor. i'm sure it will happen - I just wish it would be in 2017.
 
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Thanks Benface. I wish it wasn't the case but that is probably true. I was waiting a long time for the 2016 15" MacBook Pro and was disappointed at the mid-level spec, removal of ports and premium added for touchbar. So I ended up buying a powerful 15" PC laptop. I do basic video editing for my YouTube channel. Adobe Premiere Pro has been a learning curve for me and I miss Final Cut!

I love the 13" MacBook Pro form factor and was looking at it in store again this week but fear it is underpowered for my needs. Whilst I think Apple were silly to remove the USB ports I understand the argument to push consumers to Thunderbolt 3 (although they were silly in ignoring current users). However, for the life of me I cannot understand why they would remove the SD card slot when it is so vital to everyday users for easily moving media.

I now know my dream machine is a 13" MacBook Pro with fast processor and graphics card of 4 - 6 - 8GB memory so I can edit 4K video with ease - and an SD card slot. It would be easy to transport and use at home with a monitor. i'm sure it will happen - I just wish it would be in 2017.

I have a 15" for because I do alot of CPU heavy work and the quad cores are useful. I find myself wondering if they release a quad core 13" would I jump to 13" non-TB model, or would I wait for updated 15". I do find the 15" awkward to use on the plane for example. Hmmm hypothetical decisions, decisions.
 
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so whats the best bet, wait for a refresh or bite the bullet for the 2017 one? and if it wait, how many months until we are certain theres a refresh?
 
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so Intel will let 15W chip to overpower the 45W? i think if the 8th 45W will gain only 5% performance boost, the gap will be a lot closer
And performance wise, the nTB will outperform the tb 13"MBP?
[doublepost=1507807085][/doublepost]i wonder if Apple, will put only the 15W Intel 8th into the entire 13" mbp line up

Nope. It's just the boost tricking benchmarks.
Use the boost models in person with the same scoring not overly boosting model and I can clearly tell the difference.

But otherwise yeah. Of course 4 cores of like models with be faster in multicore..
 
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If your an officer they already have your fingerprints...so what's the point of not using a device that makes your life easier?

And DNA, etc. For everyone in the military.

The point is that if I don't set up the fingerprint reader, and only use a passcode, I can never be legally compelled to unlock it. It's the Fourth Amendment versus the Fifth Amendment. Without wanting to take this in any kind of political/legal direction, if you knew how easy it is to get a search warrant, or a national security letter, to go hunting, you'd never use a fingerprint reader again.
 
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And DNA, etc. For everyone in the military.

The point is that if I don't set up the fingerprint reader, and only use a passcode, I can never be legally compelled to unlock it. It's the Fourth Amendment versus the Fifth Amendment. Without wanting to take this in any kind of political/legal direction, if you knew how easy it is to get a search warrant, or a national security letter, to go hunting, you'd never use a fingerprint reader again.

sorry mate but your argument makes no sense unless you have something to hide. I would much rather use the fingerprint reader and allow some agent to look at photos of my kids than have to type in a passcode all the time.
 
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sorry mate but your argument makes no sense unless you have something to hide. I would much rather use the fingerprint reader and allow some agent to look at photos of my kids than have to type in a passcode all the time.

Let me simply say that you've been fortunate to live the life you've lived, and say how wonderful it is that we each have the choice.
 
I'm currently looking at replacing my late 2013 13" MBP by an 15" one. I need a bigger screen because I work more without external screen than I expected. The 2017 models look good, but...
Ming Chi Kuo mentioned a 15" Macbook with up to 32gb desktop RAM in January. Anything ever came after that first rumor?
I frankly don't see how Apple could make such a machine, if with 'Macbook' he means the specific compact series. More desktop RAM would take more place and use more power, requiring a bigger battery. That wouldn't fit into a smaller Macbook type body.
Of course, he could mean 'Macbook' in the general meaning of "an Apple laptop".
So, any news about that legendary beast?
 
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I'm currently looking at replacing my late 2013 13" MBP by an 15" one. I need a bigger screen because I work more without external screen than I expected. The 2017 models look good, but...
Ming Chi Kuo mentioned a 15" Macbook with up to 32gb desktop RAM in January. Anything ever came after that first rumor?
I frankly don't see how Apple could make such a machine, if with 'Macbook' he means the specific compact series. More desktop RAM would take more place and use more power, requiring a bigger battery. That wouldn't fit into a smaller Macbook type body.
Of course, he could mean 'Macbook' in the general meaning of "an Apple laptop".
So, any news about that legendary beast?

32GB doesn't necessarily need to take more space. They could use two 16GB sticks or just solder it directly to the motherboard. The power needed to run RAM-modules is minimal and the battery impact would be minuscule. Since a new rehash of the MacBook most likely also means a new CPU, which most likely will require less power, then RAM can grab its power from there.
 
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sorry mate but your argument makes no sense unless you have something to hide. I would much rather use the fingerprint reader and allow some agent to look at photos of my kids than have to type in a passcode all the time.

So just because I want things to stay private means I've got something to hide? That's your reasoning apparently.
 
sorry mate but your argument makes no sense unless you have something to hide. I would much rather use the fingerprint reader and allow some agent to look at photos of my kids than have to type in a passcode all the time.
That argument makes no sense.

Just because I don't want someone to look at my information including innocent pictures makes me look suspicious?
I don't know what country you are in, but here in the U.S. it is one of our fundamental rights to not have to disclose any information no matter how mundane it is, if we don't want to.
 
That argument makes no sense.

Just because I don't want someone to look at my information including innocent pictures makes me look suspicious?
I don't know what country you are in, but here in the U.S. it is one of our fundamental rights to not have to disclose any information no matter how mundane it is, if we don't want to.

I don't live in the US but probably have better rights than you. It may be a 'right' but your life probably would get quite miserable if you were resisting I bet.

Anyway, that is not the point I was making. It was not about rights. It was about the fact that he was going out of his way to protect his information just in case he gets searched.

My point was that I would prefer to 'risk' getting searched and use Touch ID every day rather than put a passcode in.

The other point was that if there is nothing to hide why bother making things a pain for yourself. I see no reason why the police would ever want to search my phone [I live in Australia] so am happy to use Touch ID.

Do you not think your argument is odd that people resort to using passcodes just incase they get their phone searched? I live a life where concerns like this do not ever cross my mind. My rights seem to be a bit more respected than the ones in the US.
 
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I don't live in the US but probably have better rights than you. It may be a 'right' but your life probably would get quite miserable if you were resisting I bet.

Anyway, that is not the point I was making. It was not about rights. It was about the fact that he was going out of his way to protect his information just in case he gets searched.

My point was that I would prefer to 'risk' getting searched and use Touch ID every day rather than put a passcode in.

The other point was that if there is nothing to hide why bother making things a pain for yourself. I see no reason why the police would ever want to search my phone [I live in Australia] so am happy to use Touch ID.

Do you not think your argument is odd that people resort to using passcodes just incase they get their phone searched? I live a life where concerns like this do not ever cross my mind. My rights seem to be a bit more respected than the ones in the US.

Principals! Why should anyone just bend over and get used by the government? Your government isn’t really the best at the moment, yet you would give up your fundamental right to privacy. All it takes is for one nut job to get elected before minorities start getting persecuted. Our right to privacy is for all and must be protected for the sake of all. As mr Snowden said: Arguing that you have nothing to hide in a question like this is like saying you have nothing to say therefor freedom of speech is not needed.
 
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Principals! Why should anyone just bend over and get used by the government? Your government isn’t really the best at the moment, yet you would give up your fundamental right to privacy. All it takes is for one nut job to get elected before minorities start getting persecuted. Our right to privacy is for all and must be protected for the sake of all. As mr Snowden said: Arguing that you have nothing to hide in a question like this is like saying you have nothing to say therefor freedom of speech is not needed.

I am sorry but you still don't get what I am saying.

I 100% agree with personal privacy and we should all have it, however I don't understand why anyone would want to refuse to use Touch ID just incase they get a request from the government to search their phone. It is highly unlikely this would ever happen [unless you are up to something] so why bother? Passcode is just a big pain to me when using Touch ID all the time. It all just sounds like you are all anxious and that the government is out to get you - I am afraid it is a very US centric notion, and you won't find too many people from other countries having the same attitude.

Unfortunately Americans are raised thinking that they are 'free' when this just plainly isn't true [Snowden did a great job proving this] - we all lost our freedom a long time ago. Everything is manipulated. Having nothing to hide is not like saying you have nothing to say. I have a lot to say thank you, but it doesn't mean I do illegal things that a phone search would incriminate me into being arrested. If that is the case, you know you have something to hide hence using a passcode !
 
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I am sorry but you still don't get what I am saying.

I 100% agree with personal privacy and we should all have it, however I don't understand why anyone would want to refuse to use Touch ID just incase they get a request from the government to search their phone. It is highly unlikely this would ever happen [unless you are up to something] so why bother? Passcode is just a big pain to me when using Touch ID all the time. It all just sounds like you are all anxious and that the government is out to get you - I am afraid it is a very US centric notion, and you won't find too many people from other countries having the same attitude.

Unfortunately Americans are raised thinking that they are 'free' when this just plainly isn't true [Snowden did a great job proving this] - we all lost our freedom a long time ago. Everything is manipulated. Having nothing to hide is not like saying you have nothing to say. I have a lot to say thank you, but it doesn't mean I do illegal things that a phone search would incriminate me into being arrested. If that is the case, you know you have something to hide hence using a passcode !

The problem is your reasoning. "unless you are up to something". You don't have to be up to something to want to protect your privacy. In the unlikely event I get stopped at the border I would not like a customs officer to scroll through my devices, even if whatever I have there is harmless nude pictures of my wife. What would that achieve besides violate my rights? Nothing I have on my device is damaging and they know it, its about power and their right to use it how they see fit. IF i was to have something damaging I sure as hell wouldn't keep it on my iphone. In the US the government cant force you to enter your passcode but they can force you to put your finger on the fingerprint scanner. As a non US citizen I can tell you that it's not only US centric.

You seem to have a rather cynical view about world. If we have lost everything, as you claim then we should fight the system even harder, to protect ourselves from those that want to limit our lives.

Everyone has something to hide. Why don't you install cameras in your house? Why don't you let everyone see all the mundane aspects of your life? Just because you think that you are such a harmless, unimportant person doesn't mean others are or want to be. You have a responsibility as a human to protect those that are the opposite of you, those that are not "normal", those that will be persecuted because they are different. Protecting our rights is not for the majority, its for the minorities.

I bet you do lots of illegal things, downloading movies or music, once in a while driving to fast, maybe even driving through the red light. You probably search for images on the internet and use them in a report or whatever, you know using copyrighted stuff, all illegal.

Your reasoning is flawed, it is everyones right to hide whatever they feel needs hiding and its not your nor the governments place to tell those people otherwise. Unless YOU can prove something illegal is happening you have no business violating anyones rights. People like you make me scared for the future. History has taught us that whenever people give governments to much power bad things happen, thinking otherwise is naive and frankly stupid.
 
The problem is your reasoning. "unless you are up to something". You don't have to be up to something to want to protect your privacy. In the unlikely event I get stopped at the border I would not like a customs officer to scroll through my devices, even if whatever I have there is harmless nude pictures of my wife. What would that achieve besides violate my rights? Nothing I have on my device is damaging and they know it, its about power and their right to use it how they see fit. IF i was to have something damaging I sure as hell wouldn't keep it on my iphone. In the US the government cant force you to enter your passcode but they can force you to put your finger on the fingerprint scanner. As a non US citizen I can tell you that it's not only US centric.

You seem to have a rather cynical view about world. If we have lost everything, as you claim then we should fight the system even harder, to protect ourselves from those that want to limit our lives.

Everyone has something to hide. Why don't you install cameras in your house? Why don't you let everyone see all the mundane aspects of your life? Just because you think that you are such a harmless, unimportant person doesn't mean others are or want to be. You have a responsibility as a human to protect those that are the opposite of you, those that are not "normal", those that will be persecuted because they are different. Protecting our rights is not for the majority, its for the minorities.

I bet you do lots of illegal things, downloading movies or music, once in a while driving to fast, maybe even driving through the red light. You probably search for images on the internet and use them in a report or whatever, you know using copyrighted stuff, all illegal.

Your reasoning is flawed, it is everyones right to hide whatever they feel needs hiding and its not your nor the governments place to tell those people otherwise. Unless YOU can prove something illegal is happening you have no business violating anyones rights. People like you make me scared for the future. History has taught us that whenever people give governments to much power bad things happen, thinking otherwise is naive and frankly stupid.

Given that you are such an important person who is out to harm by protecting other humans, I have no doubt at all that you have some seriously dodgy stuff on your phone. Keep using the passcode mate, as they are all out to get you.....................
 
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