Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[solarflab]

Given that you are such an important person who is out to harm by protecting other humans, I have no doubt at all that you have some seriously dodgy stuff on your phone. Keep using the passcode mate, as they are all out to get you.....................

You just don't seem to understand, Ill leave this conversation with this: It doesn't matter if I'm dodgy or not. Dodgy does not equal to guilty of crime. Nobody is after me, nor do they have a reason to be, I'm just not stupid enough to be ****ed over by a system that historically ALWAYS has abused its power. Whatever you think that I have on my phone is irrelevant, but sure please make a dump of all your devices and share them with the world. I promise you that someone will find something that can be used against you.

Peace out!

 

[nbjunior]

Returning to the original theme ...

Is it worth replace a 2015 MBP for a 2017 nTB? Or waiting for a 2018 MBP (if there is) ?

 

[Naimfan]

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Is it worth replace a 2015 MBP for a 2017 nTB? Or waiting for a 2018 MBP (if there is) ?[/QUOTE

Keep your 2015.

 

[fokmik]

now even surface book has 13" and 15" 8Th gen Intel with 1050 and 1060 Nvidia, Apple must update its macbooks lineup to 8 gen too
I wonder if anyone knows what cpu are ready and for what macbooks
I mean we have 8th gen Intel cpu available this year for every mac from 12" to 15" ?

 

[djdeepv]

Anyone have realistic predictions for the 2018 MBP and release? I’m hoping for them to make the base model $1,300 and 256GB of SSD, March release. Not holding my breath though.

 

[kokomoko]

The fingerprint sensor is complete turn off for me too. The same thing with a potential FaceID. It's odd some guys do not realize how easier is to get in someone's computer with TouchID instead of a password. If some of you really think they have nothing to hide, please post here your email and password and the password for your bank account

 

[TheralSadurns]

Returning to the original theme ...

Is it worth replace a 2015 MBP for a 2017 nTB? Or waiting for a 2018 MBP (if there is) ?

Keep and wait!
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now even surface book has 13" and 15" 8Th gen Intel with 1050 and 1060 Nvidia, Apple must update its macbooks lineup to 8 gen too
I wonder if anyone knows what cpu are ready and for what macbooks
I mean we have 8th gen Intel cpu available this year for every mac from 12" to 15" ?

The 15" Surface Book does NOT have a 45W H-Level CPU!!!

They put a more or less powerful GPU in the base... because that is where the big battery is. But the CPU is in the display/tablet portion of the device. Which is why they could only fit a paltry 15W Core i7-8650U CPU in there. See https://ark.intel.com/products/124968/Intel-Core-i7-8650U-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

So... yeah... no thanks. And at that point I don't even start talking about the POS Windows is... and yes... even Windows 10... is still ******. If you don't believe me... just get your Windows computer... and I give you 5 really easy tasks!

 

[Poki]

It's true that Microsoft only used 15W CPUs in the new Surface Books. When the new 15" MBP launch with their 45W 6-core CPUs, the Surface Book will look quite weak in comparison.

Having said that, if you need to buy a notebook now, the compromise Microsoft made is quite a good one. The 13" model comfortably beats the 13" MBP in both GPU (GTX 1050 vs Intel HD 650) and CPU (8th Gen quad-core i7 vs. 7th Gen dual-core i7), while the 15" model sacrifices some CPU power for GPU power - the GTX 1060 should be almost twice as powerful as the Radeon Pro 560. Not a bad spot to be in for Microsoft, at least until the next gen MBPs are released, which might take more than six months from now.

 

[Sensamic]

I was about to buy this month a new 2017 MBP, which are in sale.

Should I buy a 2017 ntb 256GB SSD in discount now for the holidays or wait for the 2018 MBP mainly for the quad core 8th gen Intel cpus? Will it be a big performance improvement over the 2017 for the long run?

Thanks!

 

[Naimfan]

I was about to buy this month a new 2017 MBP, which are in sale.

Should I buy a 2017 ntb 256GB SSD in discount now for the holidays or wait for the 2018 MBP mainly for the quad core 8th gen Intel cpus? Will it be a big performance improvement over the 2017 for the long run?

Thanks!

I'd wait to see if the 2018 models are noticeably better - if they offer quad-core, improved keyboard, etc.

Unless, of course, you need one now.

 

[george-brooks]

6 Thunderbolt 3 ports please! I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I am an actual pro user and I am running out of I/O FAST!

 

[Falhófnir]

It's true that Microsoft only used 15W CPUs in the new Surface Books. When the new 15" MBP launch with their 45W 6-core CPUs, the Surface Book will look quite weak in comparison.

Having said that, if you need to buy a notebook now, the compromise Microsoft made is quite a good one. The 13" model comfortably beats the 13" MBP in both GPU (GTX 1050 vs Intel HD 650) and CPU (8th Gen quad-core i7 vs. 7th Gen dual-core i7), while the 15" model sacrifices some CPU power for GPU power - the GTX 1060 should be almost twice as powerful as the Radeon Pro 560. Not a bad spot to be in for Microsoft, at least until the next gen MBPs are released, which might take more than six months from now.

There are those of us that put extra screen space to good use but don't need tons of power - I'm waiting to see if they push out a replacement for the 2015 15" with the new form factor and a 15 or 28 watt chip using iris plus graphics (Intel have discontinued 47W Iris chips seemingly)... if it does boil down to a choice between a surface book 15 or a MacBook pro Touch Bar at £2,500 each, I think the surface's more normal keyboard, more convenient port selection and even better (3:2) aspect ratio might just swing it for Microsoft. I don't hate the keyboard's feel, but reliability issues are concerning. Apple coming out with a decent replacement at the £1,899 price point could save it for them.

 

[Poki]

if it does boil down to a choice between a surface book 15 or a MacBook pro Touch Bar at £2,500 each, I think the surface's more normal keyboard, more convenient port selection and even better (3:2) aspect ratio might just swing it for Microsoft. I don't hate the keyboard's feel, but reliability issues are concerning.

Just don't forget to weigh the better trackpad, probably better speakers, thinner body, different operating system and especially the four Thunderbolt 3 ports into your equation. The Surface Book 2 sure is a nice notebook, but it's not better than a MacBook Pro for every user, and certainly not in every way.

In a professional environment, Thunderbolt 3 can actually be the make or break deciding factor for any computer, and getting four fully powered ports is a dream in many situations. I seriously don't think having USB-A and a SD card reader comes even close to the freedom the MBPs ports provide.

 

[Falhófnir]

Just don't forget to weigh the better trackpad, probably better speakers, thinner body, different operating system and especially the four Thunderbolt 3 ports into your equation. The Surface Book 2 sure is a nice notebook, but it's not better than a MacBook Pro for every user, and certainly not in every way.

In a professional environment, Thunderbolt 3 can actually be the make or break deciding factor for any computer, and getting four fully powered ports is a dream in many situations. I seriously don't think having USB-A and a SD card reader comes even close to the freedom the MBPs ports provide.

Ok I should clarify my above post with ‘for my personal usage’ - I don’t use Thunderbolt accessories, but sometimes transfer files on a USB key or SD card, speaker quality is of little interest, passable is fine for me, and I’m personally fine with either macOS or Windows. If others place more/less value on different aspects of the machines, they could come to a different conclusion.

I certainly wouldn’t consider any notebook the best in every way, there’s always going to be one that has something or does something better, no matter which machine you use. Like I say, if it’s a choice between the two at the same price, the factors I listed would swing me towards the SB, with other factors being a wash even if slightly different. If the Mac has a lower specced model for a lower starting price, but retains the basic form factor of the 2.5k model, I’d probably save the money and opt for that over either more expensive computer, really all I want is a good 15” screen, sufficient power to keep in running smoothly through pages and safari, or word and chrome/edge, and decent battery life, on those metrics, both machines deliver with aplomb, so it comes down to the details like screen ratio, keyboard and not having to use dongles for my limited connectivity uses.

 

[Appleaker]

Returning to the original theme ...

Is it worth replace a 2015 MBP for a 2017 nTB? Or waiting for a 2018 MBP (if there is) ?

There will be a 2018 MBP, and it’s worth waiting for.
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It's true that Microsoft only used 15W CPUs in the new Surface Books. When the new 15" MBP launch with their 45W 6-core CPUs, the Surface Book will look quite weak in comparison.

Having said that, if you need to buy a notebook now, the compromise Microsoft made is quite a good one. The 13" model comfortably beats the 13" MBP in both GPU (GTX 1050 vs Intel HD 650) and CPU (8th Gen quad-core i7 vs. 7th Gen dual-core i7), while the 15" model sacrifices some CPU power for GPU power - the GTX 1060 should be almost twice as powerful as the Radeon Pro 560. Not a bad spot to be in for Microsoft, at least until the next gen MBPs are released, which might take more than six months from now.

Yeah I agree, the 13” Surface Book 2 is the perfect MacBook Pro 13” in terms of specs, even with the 15W processor only (its worth the trade off for better graphics). As for the 15”, I still would like to see Apple include better graphics, the current offerings are kind of a joke in comparison, but I think they should stick with the 45W chips due to the core bump. They could go with a Max-Q models, in which case they could probably implement a 1050.

Other than their deal with AMD, their advantage was the fact they could offer optimised cards and have lower power usage. That is no longer the case.
Of course, I want AMD to stay around for competition (although this wouldn’t majorly impact them), they’re not producing the best hardware. In a lineup where there is no choice and the cost savings are clearly not passed onto the buyer, there is no point in using AMD. The switch to Nvidia needs to happen, this is roughly how it would be:
13” MBP = MX150
15” MBP = GTX 1050
21.5” iMac = GTX 1050, GTX 1050Ti
27” iMac = GTX 1060, GTX 1070, GTX 1080
27” iMac Pro = GTX 1080Ti

There could still be options, e.g. the iMac Pro could have a Vega option as there are still benefits there.

 

[fokmik]

so we will get 15" MBP with 6 core 45W chip? Or at least we can hope for that? is there any chances?
and what Intel cpu model we can get?

 

[gadgetfreaky]

so we will get 15" MBP with 6 core 45W chip? Or at least we can hope for that? is there any chances?
and what Intel cpu model we can get?

the six core chips -coffee lake were supposed to be out by now.
ive not seen anythin on them being immindent tho - also msft just announced their 15" model will not have them so i have a feeling they are delayed unfortunately. in 3-4 weeks if they are not out- we are looking at march.

 

[ugru]

13” MBP = MX150
15” MBP = GTX 1050

Ok for the 13", but the 15" needs something more...like a 1060 or even a 1070 Max-Q.

 

[0989383]

Hey guys, I heard the 2022 MacBook Pro is going to completely trump the 2018 MacBook Pro... guess you should just skip the current gen.. and the gen after that... ;-)

But in all seriousness... only reasons I can think people would completely dismiss the current MBP.. ports? keyboard? Those things aren't changing back folks. Sorry.

 

[john123]

now even surface book has 13" and 15" 8Th gen Intel with 1050 and 1060 Nvidia, Apple must update its macbooks lineup to 8 gen too

Sadly, history doesn't agree with this. You say they "must update," but we have seen many, many times when Apple chooses to lag--badly--its PC competitors with respect to the tech.
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Hey guys, I heard the 2022 MacBook Pro is going to completely trump the 2018 MacBook Pro... guess you should just skip the current gen.. and the gen after that... ;-)

But in all seriousness... only reasons I can think people would completely dismiss the current MBP.. ports? keyboard? Those things aren't changing back folks. Sorry.

This is a silly oversimplification that isn't really a logical argument. The question is not whether the 2018 model will be "better." The question is by how much. If the performance improvements are substantial, then waiting can make sense for many people who have a perfectly functioning computer right now.

 

[0989383]

Sadly, history doesn't agree with this. You say they "must update," but we have seen many, many times when Apple chooses to lag--badly--its PC competitors with respect to the tech.
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This is a silly oversimplification that isn't really a logical argument. The question is not whether the 2018 model will be "better." The question is by how much. If the performance improvements are substantial, then waiting can make sense for many people who have a perfectly functioning computer right now.

I'd imagine until 2020 we won't see a major redesign in terms of hardware and how it looks (based on previous cycles, though I know things like the 2006 MBP lasted two years, however things aren't moving as quickly as a decade ago).

We can almost certainly ascertain what the incremental updates to the 2016 'shape' MBP we know today will have...
- Latest gen Intel chips
- Larger configurations of RAM
- Potentially new GPU / different vendor of GPU
- Faster ports

I mean, how much did the first 2006 MBP change until it's last spec bump before the Unibody? How much did the Unibody in 2008 change between then and 2012? Retina too, not much except processor updates.

The radical new designs and their features, e.g. new screen keyboard ports etc etc, things I'd consider 'worth waiting for' are a long way off as just a year ago we got a total refresh. I get when people said "Don't buy the Retina MBP, it's been out since 2012 and it's been 3.5 years", but I don't get why anybody would hold out now?

No matter when you buy, not too long after there'll be a model with better specs around the corner. Where do you draw the line? Just my 2c.

 

[chleuasme]

We can almost certainly ascertain what the incremental updates to the 2016 'shape' MBP we know today will have...
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I mean, how much did the first 2006 MBP change until it's last spec bump before the Unibody? How much did the Unibody in 2008 change between then and 2012? Retina too, not much except processor updates.

I don't know. We could imagine we're more in front of a transitional line, still on 14 nm because intel can't move faster, but with 10 nm in mind. Facing the competition, and despite intel difficulties, Apple had to move and released the 2016-17 models.
We could be in a situation similar to the Macbook Air released in 2008, that was not yet there but going in the direction Apple wanted, and it's in 2010 only that Apple could iterate and correct the course, with a redesign and more capable CPUs, or appropriate SSDs and no 1.8" HDs.

 

[john123]

I'd imagine until 2020 we won't see a major redesign in terms of hardware and how it looks (based on previous cycles, though I know things like the 2006 MBP lasted two years, however things aren't moving as quickly as a decade ago).

We can almost certainly ascertain what the incremental updates to the 2016 'shape' MBP we know today will have...
- Latest gen Intel chips
- Larger configurations of RAM
- Potentially new GPU / different vendor of GPU
- Faster ports

I mean, how much did the first 2006 MBP change until it's last spec bump before the Unibody? How much did the Unibody in 2008 change between then and 2012? Retina too, not much except processor updates.

The radical new designs and their features, e.g. new screen keyboard ports etc etc, things I'd consider 'worth waiting for' are a long way off as just a year ago we got a total refresh. I get when people said "Don't buy the Retina MBP, it's been out since 2012 and it's been 3.5 years", but I don't get why anybody would hold out now?

No matter when you buy, not too long after there'll be a model with better specs around the corner. Where do you draw the line? Just my 2c.

Of the 4 scenarios you pointed out, RAM is the one that has the most potential to be a huge deal for some people. (People on here like to debate that issue ad nauseum, including how many people are in that target market...but I would hope we all can agree that it exists.)

You're right; the others are merely incremental, with the possible exception of some (maybe) significant battery life improvements with Cannon Lake.

 

[Alakagom]

Hey guys, I heard the 2022 MacBook Pro is going to completely trump the 2018 MacBook Pro... guess you should just skip the current gen.. and the gen after that... ;-)

But in all seriousness... only reasons I can think people would completely dismiss the current MBP.. ports? keyboard? Those things aren't changing back folks. Sorry.

You'd be right in most years, but not this year.

Due to competition from AMD, Intel has to do ****. And for first time in 10 years they moved from 4 to 6 cores and for the low power 15W mobile chips moved from 2 to 4 cores.

This result in huge gains, especially in 15W chips which are roughly 50% better than last gen.

 

[stevemiller]

for me its pretty simple, I'll update my 2013 15" when the following criteria are met:

-6 core cpu
-1060 or better gpu
-32 gb ram

for my work needs thats the minimum for me to bother updating. anything less is just dropping a load of money on roughly similar performance to what I already have.

nice to have's:
-screen improvements
-speaker improvements
-keyboard improvements (based on the concerns raised here about the recent keyboard issues)

couldn't care less:
-porting new authentication technologies when I don't lock/unlock my computer nearly as often as a phone/tablet
-touchstrip below the screen so you have to look at your hands to perform functions. There's a reason why touch typing is more efficient than hunt and peck. I feel like interface design these days is driven primarily by crass marketing and very little by usability. (but I digress, suffice to say the feature will never come close to justifying an upgrade from me)