Look elsewere or prepare to pay 1K$ for an eGPU
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Look elsewere or prepare to pay 1K$ for an eGPU
In terms of the entire lineup, it would have to be a 1050. And also considering power consumption, the 1050 would be a Max-Q variant. The way the Surface Book gets a 1060 is not only by using the Max-Q variant, but all 1060 and 1070 would be saved for iMacs. A 1050 is a great performer though, but they could offer the 1050Ti too.
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I’ve been warning for over a year to wait if people want more performance in a 13” (at the time the quad-core 15W processors were first rumored/leaked), and there are always people that make these ridiculous comments that do not consider context and mock the ‘wait for next year’ advice despite it being valid for basically everyone this time. You are right, this is an exceptional year and if AMD remain a strong competitor, they could have 8 core variants.
There must be some kind of trade-off for the quad-core 15W processors though right? Worse single core performance? Worse battery life? I feel like if it was as simple as adding two more cores, they would have done it before.
Go ahead. Go to dell. what are you going to do when dell adds face id or Touch ID equivalent to their laptops?
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How awesome is it that weird al is telling us about cpu's.
Why? Makes no sense at all to limit the MBP GPU to a 1050 because of the iMac.
Laptops are laptops, desktops are desktops two different lines with two different scopes.
Regarding power consumption no problem at all, make it thicker to accomodate a bigger battery, better cooling, more ram and abandon USBC for charging so no 100W power limit. MBP is a pro laptop it needs powerful internals not mid-level hardware due to moronic design decision.
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Nope, battery life is about the same, single core is actually better due to higher Boost speeds.
As for the reason it's quite simple. Intel had no competition, there was no need to upgrade by more than 5%-10% each generation. What changed is AMD finally got competitive architecture. They launched Ryzen which killed it in desktop CPU market, and they are planning to release Mobile chips soon.
Intel got caught absolutely by surprise by Ryzen on desktops, but they learnt the lesson and before Ryzen mobile chips were released, they released this improved platform.
Given that In recent figures Dells market share is rising while Apples is stagnant, what makes you think Apple won't drop theirs? This stuff is too expensive to add in for many people. But like I said - I would get used to TouchID. FaceID - definitely not.
I am being realistic, not optimistic. You are complaining to me, but I too would want a 1060 in it, and if the were willing to do what you say they might as well put a 1070 in it and a 1060 in the 13".
The reason it makes sense to limit it is because the iMacs use the same mobile GPU line. It is what they do currently, the MBP offers the same options as the 21.5", but doesn't touch the 27" iMacs cards. Power consumption is a consideration realistically. A 1050 is still a lot better than what we have and previously Apple has gone with the x50 cards (e.g. 650m, 750m) with the MacBook Pro and 21.5" iMac. Again, being realistic not optimistic.
The problem with the high-power GPUs is that they sacrifice an incredible amount of battery life, and they're hard to cool. We don't see them (or their Quadra/FirePro equivalents) in workstation laptops from any of the PC vendors, either - until you get to machines that are very thick and heavy (or 17", or both). Yes, you see the occasional gaming laptop that has crammed a MaxQ 1060 or even a 1070 into a 15" of normal thickness, but they have dual-core CPUs and incredibly poor battery life (they probably also have compromised reliability). The Surface Book is the first machine we've seen with a quad-core CPU plus a 1060 in a comparable design to the MBP, and it uses the 15W quad to fit it all in. Maybe the 15W chip is some incredible feat of engineering, and performs like a 45W chip, but I can't see how it could - it's essentially the same process.
The intel page for the 8650u suggests it can be configured to run at a 25W TDP, have to wait and see what reviews of the 15” say, it seems like they’d have plenty of room in that big an enclosure to cool that off...
Well... the CPU is in the Tablet/Display part... so Idk how much headroom they really have there. The GPU, on the other hand, in the base DOES have a lot of room.
To be honest I don’t know what there is to wait for, the 2018 MacBook Pro’s won’t have a redesign. The iMac might, which is why I’m holding out on that but the MacBook Pro will likely just get a couple of spec updates.
These "spec updates" might well be in the area of 50% or more CPU and GPU performance increases, which can make the difference between a machine that is able to handle a job and one that doesn't.
No one is forcing you to use Touch ID or even facial ID. These are only added features not requirements. Typing in physical passwords still and will always work there is no need to turn on those 2 features unless you want to use them. Options are good.
Will we see both the upgrade from a 2-4 core in the 13” as well as a 4-6 core upgrade in the 15”?
Knowing Apple, they may even hold out until Cannon lake.
Knowing Apple, they may even hold out until Cannon lake.
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No MBP redesign yet in 2018 that's a given since we pretty much had a major redesign end of 2016.
But there should be significant and bigger specs updates than this year.
I'm also hoping for a full specs-identical 15'' version without the touch bar.
ROFLMAO!!! Dude that is just wrong but freaking hilarious. It's been a while since I busted a gut laughing at a youtube video!
I'm still giggling. If anyone posts a relevant video of Dr Jension from North York I'm going to passout after laughing.
Nah, they won't hold out. The competitors used their early adoption to claim they are 2 faster than Macbook. I don' think Apple will like that marketing, and Cannon Lake is long time away.
As for 2>4 cores, yes the jump will definitely happen happen. 4>6 cores on laptops are not confirmed yet so who knows.
The most interesting decision for Apple is this. Should they upgrade the Macbook with 15W or just the Macbook Pro 13.
It's also worth noting that for Macbook Pro 13s, Apple uses the 28W CPU by Intel, not the 15W.
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They use the 28W in the Touch Bar models, part of the reason the battery is much worse then the nonTB.
I would LOVE if Apple put the quad core 15W in the 13" AND keep the Touch Bar. That would help the battery situation a bit and provide a performance boost.
We are looking at the biggest processor increases in years in next iteration. It would be MAD to buy the current generation (and thats before we even talk about keyboards and touchbars!)
We are looking at the biggest processor increases in years in next iteration. It would be MAD to buy the current generation (and thats before we even talk about keyboards and touchbars!)
Are we? aren't the processors just a little bit better every year. As for the touch bar i don't think Apple will remove it.
Do you guys have any updated info when mobile Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake will be released?
Have you not been paying attention? They are increasing the cores on the chips. 40-50% performance boost. Only chips suitable for rMB out so far, but others on the way whenever intel get their finger out. Competitors already shipping 13" quad core machines.
No, i'm not a big spec guy i just know that usually they update them with small spec updates. it would be nice to have a quad core in the 13" but i'm still using a 2011 MacBook Pro, i haven't updated yet and currently deciding whether it's worth the update.