Waiting for the 2018 MBP

The Face ID could also authenticate you while you are typing your password, for double security !
That’s what I imagined. If you had Face ID firstly it’d force Apple to upgrade the ISight cameras. If you use it as dual authentication it just makes it more secure. Also I can imagine a feature where if you’re not paying attention to the screen it blacks it out until you look back again so people can’t snoop what you’re doing once Face ID gets faster.
 
That’s what I imagined. If you had Face ID firstly it’d force Apple to upgrade the ISight cameras. If you use it as dual authentication it just makes it more secure. Also I can imagine a feature where if you’re not paying attention to the screen it blacks it out until you look back again so people can’t snoop what you’re doing once Face ID gets faster.

Wouldn't work if it stops to recognise your face. You would be ****ed. The phone also allows for only password entry.
 
That’s what I imagined. If you had Face ID firstly it’d force Apple to upgrade the ISight cameras. If you use it as dual authentication it just makes it more secure. Also I can imagine a feature where if you’re not paying attention to the screen it blacks it out until you look back again so people can’t snoop what you’re doing once Face ID gets faster.

Well i don't want to have a camera which look at me when I'm not paying attention ;)
 
Just as a heads-up: LG just revealed their new Gram notebook with 8th gen quad-core Intel CPUs. This machine is 15.5 mm thick (or, just 0.6 mm thicker than the 13.3" MBP), weighs 965g, and LG still managed to cram in a 72 Wh battery (compared to 49 Wh in the MBP).

It will be interesting to see a teardown - but it seems like Apple still could potentially fit a larger battery in the current chassis.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12160/lg-gram-2018-laptops-unveiled-22-lbs
 
[QUOTE="Poki, post: 25603725, member: It will be interesting to see a teardown - but it seems like Apple still could potentially fit a larger battery in the current chassis.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Apple try to fit in a terraced battery in the current design but fail? The batteries are definitely a serious step down from the rMBP designs and with the hassle afterwards (not wanting to disclose Wh capacities & hiding the hours remaining indicator), it surely felt like Apple had something to hide.
 
The reason im waiting for 2018 rMBP is cause the 2017 is a complete disaster ive had the 2012 and 14 rmbps and these machines are really fantastic but since one gpu in my 2014 rmbp is dead and the coating on screen has come off (both are kinda my fault) im gonna need a new rmbp
i dont see why somebody would buy the 2017 version unless there's no way,they can wait.
the 2017, again, Has an AMD gpu a touch bar which doesnt make sense to me (apple used to revolutionize stuff unlike other companies with useless feaures that just make the operating system look complicated when steve died;the direction he was going came to an end,too)
ao this thing has a wierd Huge track pad,a keyboard which seems way worse than the 2012-2015 rmbps, got even thinner?!(man,i don't think anybody cares if their 15inch rmbp gets even thinner it was already thin enough)
so to me if i get the 2017 model, i get worse keyboard,trackpad,will need touse dongles,no mag safe another mid-range AMD gpu with terrible driver support,a wierd touch bar that just makes the macbook seem like its a toy and im gonna miss function keys for sure
But this brings another question in my mind:how much should we wait? and will the next generation make any real difference they revolutionized macbook pros in 2012 by introducing retina macbookpros but i dont like what they did with 12inch macbook or the macbook air line up(they almost killed macbook air) and what they did to rmbp in 2016 is ridiculous to me

these are personal opion though...

but im sure lots of people like me are wondering when these new rmbps are gonna be released
any advice would be great
and sorry for grammatical,punctuation errors & God bless!
 
(man,i don't think anybody cares if their 15inch rmbp gets even thinner it was already thin enough)
I do appreciate the smaller, lighter chassis of the 2016 and 2017 machines, I just feel that they made far too many compromises to get there. The keyboard, the ports, the battery, even the screen assembly feels more flimsy than previously. The 2015 machines were a good balance between portability and functionality, I think the 2016+ models tip the balance too far towards thinner and lighter.
 
Didn't Apple try to fit in a terraced battery in the current design but fail? The batteries are definitely a serious step down from the rMBP designs and with the hassle afterwards (not wanting to disclose Wh capacities & hiding the hours remaining indicator), it surely felt like Apple had something to hide.

Yep I heard these rumors too. My hope is that Apple still plans to implement whatever improvements to batteries that they can in next year's model. They already did completely change the battery design and layout without doing a redesign when they moved from the 2008 unibody MBPs to the 2009 ones - the chassis looked the same, but the battery was much larger (although it no longer was user replaceable due to this new design).

Going from the current 49 Wh to something like 65 Wh could improve battery life to around 10 hours in actual use, which would be great.
 
Does anyone think there will be changes to the 2018 MacBook Pro's other than spec bumps? i wonder if they have heard the criticism of the keyboard and will change it up? i just hope they don't remove the Touch Bar, for editing it seems like a nice feature to have.
 
Does anyone think there will be changes to the 2018 MacBook Pro's other than spec bumps? i wonder if they have heard the criticism of the keyboard and will change it up? i just hope they don't remove the Touch Bar, for editing it seems like a nice feature to have.
I wouldn’t rule it out completely, though it’s unlikely. It will become more likely that they’ve made some significant changes if there is no update in spring and wait until summer or autumn to refresh it again I guess.
 
I wouldn’t rule it out completely, though it’s unlikely. It will become more likely that they’ve made some significant changes if there is no update in spring and wait until summer or autumn to refresh it again I guess.

I wonder if they will update at WWDC again, they didn't hold an April event last year so if they do the same again in 2018 i guess we will either see updates at WWDC or at an October event. The MacBook Pro's are very unlikely to get a redesign change but they are probably looking the keyboard issues that some people are reporting.
My 2011 MacBook Pro is slowing down and i'm due an upgrade but i can wait until 2018.
 
I wonder if they will update at WWDC again, they didn't hold an April event last year so if they do the same again in 2018 i guess we will either see updates at WWDC or at an October event. The MacBook Pro's are very unlikely to get a redesign change but they are probably looking the keyboard issues that some people are reporting.
My 2011 MacBook Pro is slowing down and i'm due an upgrade but i can wait until 2018.
If it’s just a spec bump then a spring release is still pretty likely - with the hype around intel 8th gen chips, quad core 13” and hexacore 15”, I don’t think Apple will be as relaxed about being (seen to be) behind as they usually are - especially with the push into VR and AR. June would make them quite a laggard if they aren’t making other changes too... I don’t really know what else they can do with the keyboard as it exists, if they found a silver bullet solution, then they’d probably just start using it on the 2017s without fanfare - it’s not something that they’d necessarily want to advertise (i.e. that there was a problem in the first place) and so not something they’d need to wait for a design refresh to implement.
 
the 2017 keyboard is a better one, since no more issues, just the sound and low travel, so i dont bet for a new keyboard...i think a spec bump, i wonder if kabylake R or something even newer? i guess 16gb Ram , probably if apple will dont cut the prices and keep them , at least start with 512 ssd, at least for the 15" models
 
If it’s just a spec bump then a spring release is still pretty likely - with the hype around intel 8th gen chips, quad core 13” and hexacore 15”, I don’t think Apple will be as relaxed about being (seen to be) behind as they usually are - especially with the push into VR and AR. June would make them quite a laggard if they aren’t making other changes too...
BS. They usually are perfectly in sync with Intel: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-the-2018-mbp.2048940/page-17#post-24847792
And can you tell us what models of quad- and hexa- core processors Intel presented and released, that would go in the rMBP13 and 15 about three months later this spring?
 
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Just as a heads-up: LG just revealed their new Gram notebook with 8th gen quad-core Intel CPUs. This machine is 15.5 mm thick (or, just 0.6 mm thicker than the 13.3" MBP), weighs 965g, and LG still managed to cram in a 72 Wh battery (compared to 49 Wh in the MBP).

It will be interesting to see a teardown - but it seems like Apple still could potentially fit a larger battery in the current chassis.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12160/lg-gram-2018-laptops-unveiled-22-lbs

I just saw this too. A couple other previews for LG's gram include hothardware and techradar.

Things which I find impressive: new nano carbon magnesium alloy which allowed the LG Gram to pass seven stringent US military MIL-STD 810G tests for resistance to impact, pressure, and temperature (per hothardware), IPS screen with in-cell touch functionality, number pad on 15.6" keyboard, 14" screen in 13" form factor due to narrow bezels, option for two SSDs. (Edit: can't forget the 22.5hr battery life and TB3. Apple is falling behind.)
 
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I just saw this too. A couple other previews for LG's gram include hothardware and techradar.

Things which I find impressive: new nano carbon magnesium alloy which allowed the LG Gram to pass seven stringent US military MIL-STD 810G tests for resistance to impact, pressure, and temperature (per hothardware), IPS screen with in-cell touch functionality, number pad on 15.6" keyboard, 14" screen in 13" form factor due to narrow bezels, option for two SSDs. (Edit: can't forget the 22.5hr battery life and TB3. Apple is falling behind.)


I personally HATE numberpads on notebooks due to the off center keyboards. Also look at the numpad the LG Gram has. It's severely crippled by not having an actual enter key and moving the row to the right of the numbers elsewhere.

The other thing: number of SSDs is irrelevant. From a technical perspective Apple doesn't use one, or two, or three... or ANY number of SSDs as they embed the chips directly on the logicboard. Had they used a modular approach. Sure. But since they didn't you cannot compare it just by the numbers. At the end of the day, it's the performance that matters. And I am 100% (not just 99%, but 100%) convinced... that Apple's MBP SSDs are FASTER than even an LG Gram Raid 0 Array of 2 SSDs.

To be fair though. I'm still rocking my 2011 17" MBP and love the upgradability. And I'd wish that the current or new MBPs also had user accessible RAM and SSDs... but alas.
 
BS. They usually are perfectly in sync with Intel: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-the-2018-mbp.2048940/page-17#post-24847792
And can you tell us what models of quad- and hexa- core processors Intel presented and released, that would go in the rMBP13 and 15 about three months later this spring?
Well the chips that Apple are, as we speak, testing in their MacBook Pro chassis, naturally... being released to general sale and being available to manufacturers isn’t the same thing, we had the first computers touting the 8th gen chips appearing a couple of months ago, around the same time the chips became available - but do you think Dell, Lenovo etc just ran to the Intel store and swiped a load of chips of their shelf to start putting in their machines? Of course they didn’t they’d been testing them for months previously. Apple like most large manufacturers have advance access to these chips to test in their machines so no I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see refreshed MBPs in the spring just because Intel haven’t publicly announced H series or iris plus chip models yet.
 
Well the chips that Apple are, as we speak, testing in their MacBook Pro chassis, naturally... being released to general sale and being available to manufacturers isn’t the same thing, we had the first computers touting the 8th gen chips appearing a couple of months ago, around the same time the chips became available - but do you think Dell, Lenovo etc just ran to the Intel store and swiped a load of chips of their shelf to start putting in their machines? Of course they didn’t they’d been testing them for months previously. Apple like most large manufacturers have advance access to these chips to test in their machines so no I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see refreshed MBPs in the spring just because Intel haven’t publicly announced H series or iris plus chip models yet.

It would be very naive not to assume this. My money is on a spring release too, and it makes sense with the usual update schedule. I believe egpu becomes fully supported then, so maybe Apple will release its own box, and also surely we will get some sort of announcement on the Mac Pro. It all lends itself to tie together in my mind [not that I am right ever!]
 
Well the chips that Apple are, as we speak, testing in their MacBook Pro chassis, naturally... being released to general sale and being available to manufacturers isn’t the same thing, we had the first computers touting the 8th gen chips appearing a couple of months ago, around the same time the chips became available - but do you think Dell, Lenovo etc just ran to the Intel store and swiped a load of chips of their shelf to start putting in their machines? Of course they didn’t they’d been testing them for months previously. Apple like most large manufacturers have advance access to these chips to test in their machines so no I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see refreshed MBPs in the spring just because Intel haven’t publicly announced H series or iris plus chip models yet.
No sh|t .
Given you were trying to refer to history, you’ll have to consider Apple generally take a few months after the release of a new chip to deliver an upgrade.
Testing prereleased units is different to be capable to deliver a couple millions or three notebooks during a quarter.
 
No sh|t .
Given you were trying to refer to history, you’ll have to consider Apple generally take a few months after the release of a new chip to deliver an upgrade.
Testing prereleased units is different to be capable to deliver a couple millions or three notebooks during a quarter.
Well, Kuo suggested that the 32gb ram MBP would be going into production in the last few months of this year so I guess we shall see...
 
you still have that story/link where Kuo suggested that? plz

There was an odd report from Kuo that the most radical product coming at the end of 2017 was a more powerful MBP. Maybe that will come in 2018. I don't recall the 32gb but would make sense [if the cpu allowed it - mobile xeon?]
For me a 15" with 6 cores, 32gb and hooking up to a decent Nvidia eGPU [would prefer in the comp but given up on that one] would be perfect.
 
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