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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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The only concrete rumour is about a ‘low cost MacBook Air replacement’ (likely retina MacBook 13”) coming in around the second half of the year.
I am also waiting for the 2019 model, I hope it is epic so I will want to upgrade the 2018 model I am getting next week.
I don't think they gonna update the non-TB model anymore. One single fan is not enough for 8th gen CPU.
Considering all the controversies over this design I’m wondering if Apple might not cut it short and push a new MBP design out for 2019? After the huge price jump, keyboardgate, the ‘dongle life’ controversy, and now throttling issues these machines have been plagued with bad press and it makes you wonder if they have suppressed Mac growth looking at Apple’s sales graph, which was growing modestly but seems to have decelerated quite sharply when the 2016s launched:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/12/mac-shipments-up-in-q2-2018/
Then again, if 2020 is when they are launching the ARM redesign I don’t know if they will want to rush that, so maybe they will just try to ride it out another year first. It’s interesting 3 launches in and these machines are still dividing opinion, by 2014 the retina design had bedded in and come into its own and was widely applauded despite probably being a bigger change (ditching upgradeable/ replacable internals, dropping as many ports). I think the problem this time around is that Apple have really screwed with things people care about. Not moved to a universal standard (FireWire -> USB A) but to a still pretty niche one (USB A -> USB C) messed up big time with a keyboard that’s controversial at best, it’s big new feature isn’t a stunning Retina display where there was none before, but a touch strip that’s of questionable value, and to some people an outright downside.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/12/mac-shipments-up-in-q2-2018/
Then again, if 2020 is when they are launching the ARM redesign I don’t know if they will want to rush that, so maybe they will just try to ride it out another year first. It’s interesting 3 launches in and these machines are still dividing opinion, by 2014 the retina design had bedded in and come into its own and was widely applauded despite probably being a bigger change (ditching upgradeable/ replacable internals, dropping as many ports). I think the problem this time around is that Apple have really screwed with things people care about. Not moved to a universal standard (FireWire -> USB A) but to a still pretty niche one (USB A -> USB C) messed up big time with a keyboard that’s controversial at best, it’s big new feature isn’t a stunning Retina display where there was none before, but a touch strip that’s of questionable value, and to some people an outright downside.
This are valid points but it seems like we ALWAYS have some big scandal. People wanted Apple to put in powerful up to date CPUs and GPUs in their machines. If they hadn't done it - people would be ticked. But they are ticked anyway.
There are always people upset.
Also-
1) I wouldn't expect ARM chips to be used on the high end Macs at least for a few years past initial launch.
2) What is redesign in this case? A bezel less design like the Del XPS with Face ID. if that's all they did I could see that happening next year
I am really glad you are not designing it then. I do not get the hate for using a dongle, it offers way more versatility than a USB-A ever could. TB3/USB-C combo is the future, if you should do anything pressure accessory makers to start including USB-C instead
They should have done partial ports as USB A. Apple doesn't have the market share to "pressure" accessory makers or game makers or anyone.
They do not
but I am still glad they decided agains USB-A, I do not think we would have the MBP we have today if they did not drop them (yah yah, issues with keyboard an 8gen CPU).But they should have added an dongle with 2 or 3 USB-A with the machine, like they did when removing headphone jack from the iPhones
Hi guys. Need a little help making a decision.
I've been using MacBook Pros as my computer since 2004 (PowerBook G4 then I believe). I love them and don't feel like any laptop comes close in pure user experience, though the Surfacebooks are getting close.
So my 2011 MBP died last weekend. Some video issue, possibly a repeat of the same issue I got a free repair for 3 years ago when Apple finally conceded there was some design fault. The laptop boots successfully then gets bars or squigglies quickly and freezes.
So it is time to get a replacement. My issue mainly is I largely only used my laptops for writing, organizing notes on books I read, shopping, watching shows infrequently, organizing music, etc. Absolutely no video editing, gaming, etc.
Is it ridiculously stupid for me to get another 15" MacBook Pro given this? I feel like if I got the Air, or standard non-Pro MacBook, it would have half the longevity. I still loved my 11, even after 7.5 years. I messed around with a Dell XPS and Microsoft Surface book - the latter was a beautiful machine but I don't need the tablet functionality. The 13" Surface Laptops only 999 at the moment and are not bad machines.
Sorry for lack of a clear question... Anyone else ever been in this boat?
I've been using MacBook Pros as my computer since 2004 (PowerBook G4 then I believe). I love them and don't feel like any laptop comes close in pure user experience, though the Surfacebooks are getting close.
So my 2011 MBP died last weekend. Some video issue, possibly a repeat of the same issue I got a free repair for 3 years ago when Apple finally conceded there was some design fault. The laptop boots successfully then gets bars or squigglies quickly and freezes.
So it is time to get a replacement. My issue mainly is I largely only used my laptops for writing, organizing notes on books I read, shopping, watching shows infrequently, organizing music, etc. Absolutely no video editing, gaming, etc.
Is it ridiculously stupid for me to get another 15" MacBook Pro given this? I feel like if I got the Air, or standard non-Pro MacBook, it would have half the longevity. I still loved my 11, even after 7.5 years. I messed around with a Dell XPS and Microsoft Surface book - the latter was a beautiful machine but I don't need the tablet functionality. The 13" Surface Laptops only 999 at the moment and are not bad machines.
Sorry for lack of a clear question... Anyone else ever been in this boat?
It is hard to say, if you appreciate the 15" and cant stand using 13" or lower then you should go for what gives the most joy when using.
Personally I would not go for an air, the screen is just to sad to look at, but I have been using a retina MBP for years now.
The MacBook should be good for the usage you describe, and with configurations it can be future proofed to a good extend. The 13" MBP would also not be bad option, you do not need a top of the line, maybe the base model with upgraded SSD or RAM depending on how much you use.
And most of all, sorry yo hear about your 2011 machine, loved that generation of the MBP and how much the user could do themselves to keep it alive
way more versalitle - eh.. Carrying a dongle for something as basic as a USB device is just silly.
Thanks to the donglebook - even dell xps 13 got rid of USB-A.
Thankfully really useful 15" laptops like precision 5530 (xps 15) still have USB-A
Yes way more versatile, you seems to equal TB3/USB-C with USB-A, and this is where all crying to get USB-A back ends up short. USB-A will never be able to support a screen signal, eGPU and other high performing accessories, nor can it be used for power. A single TB3/USB-C can with a dongle extend into power, external screen, USB-A and more while still have bandwidth for more. I would be sad to see the MBP with 2 TB3/USB-C and 2 USB-A as some wish for as it will severely impact my connectivity and performance, leaving me with 2 ports which potential is so limited in usage that it is ridicules on a high performing portable machine. I much rather have a dongle with me extending into multiple USB-A if I need such thing, due to the fact that I can get dongles which offers that and so much more leaving room for high performing peripherals
Why does it have to be a dichotomy, could Apple not have ditched the TB2 ports for a pair of TB3 and left the other IO intact while the transition got going (its barely started even now, three years plus after the MacBook arrived on the scene).
I'm in a similar boat to you. My 2012 retina 15 inch still works but I really want to upgrade so I can have a bigger internal drive. I'd really like to keep all my photos and music on one machine so I have access without having to remember an external drive.
when I use my wife's 13 inch MacBook Pro it feels small but I do get use to it after an hour, so I'd imagine you would as well.
Having said that I'll probably get the 15 inch model, I really want the 4TB model but that feels criminal to spend that much
Previous MacBooks I owned had their fair amount of issues, e.g. both my 2011 15" and iMac 27" fried their GPUs, and my 2012 retina 15" suffered from heavy image retention. When I saw what that new models end of 2016 looked like, I decided to jump ship for real. I was also stupid enough to get a Surface Pro 4 besides the 2 ACERs I already owned. I found it fascinating to merge iPad and Notebook into one device. Too late I discovered that this was not really usable.
After a long struggle with Windows Notebooks in 2015-2015 I finally bought a 2015 Macbook Pro 15" (without dGPU) that I still use happily for work. After a (temporary) SSD failure I also bought the 2017 model. I already knew about the new keyboard and dongle life from my short and unhappy use of the first 12" Macbook. I had no issues with the keyboard, but one USBC port was not enough. Now, with 4 universal ports, I can live with.
One time, when I had to search for data on my old external hard disks and wanted to copy the most important stuff to bigger storage, I was easily able to connect more than two external hard disks at a time, which was a big convenience. After all, I'm now quite happy with the new design, and I know from others that they feel the same. From this and my own experience, I don't expect Apple to move to a new design in a hurry. They need to fix the cooling for the increased number of CPU cores, and the power management from what I see.
Going to ARM would be the dead nail for me to use Apple computers, as I don't want to re-buy all my applications (if they even exist for this new platform). At least I see it like this from my current point of view, and I really hope that Apple doesn't hurry to go into this direction. I still have (and need) a Bootcamp Windows installation, that I mainly use in a Parallels virtual machine.
Can't wait when Intel releases Cannon Lake finally in 2019. Apparently the 10nm will be able to go up to 5.5ghz with much less heat. The throttling issue should be resolved then.
I guess we will see 8-core Cannon Lake MBP's around WWDC 2019.
I guess we will see 8-core Cannon Lake MBP's around WWDC 2019.
if I had a dime for every time I saw on the forum "can't wait until Intel does X".....
Intel is in complete disarray. I think you can hope for Cannon Lake in 2019 w/ suitable chips but wouldn't count on it.
MBX: I hope that you are kidding about CPU frequency 5GHz in MBP 2019. Intel increased number of cores so even if they go down to 10nm possibly will not compensate it. Maybe with 7nm there is a chance to have really energy efficient device like very good Intel SL, SP processors.
AMD is pressuring Intel to finally get their sh*t together. And after all the bad PR lately and Apple moving away from them in 2020 to some degree (we will see how much) I'm sure they need to hurry up and deliver.
The 5ghz is just turbo boost mode. But apparently 10nm will be so much more energy efficient, less heat. Thus higher frequency possible.
AMD will be out with 7nm next year. So we will see.
The 5ghz is just turbo boost mode. But apparently 10nm will be so much more energy efficient, less heat. Thus higher frequency possible.
AMD will be out with 7nm next year. So we will see.
I don't know if Cannon Lake will even be available for a mid-2019 release. Intel's expected to start mass production in 2019, but current yields have been abysmal, and what they were able to get into a working product two months ago was embarrassing, from a performance standpoint.
So that means Moore's law has ended here pretty much already?
If Intel is struggling so much what's next?