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Also, many here are probably influencers, be it in their workplace or friendship circles or elsewhere. In the past I've been very supportive (vocally, word-of-mouth) of Apple's MacBook Pro, but that all changed in 2016. My advice now, if any, is far more cautious and restrained.
 
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Are you sure? I have late 2016 15" with RP460 and I play WoW so great at full hd and detail level 5-6. Metal is great for WoW now.
I think we need more context to make a comparison; for example it'd be interesting on what resolution the both of you are running it (especially the person you're responding to if they are having trouble with it). Are you running it at ≤ 1080p? Because that seems like it should be possible with the current machines for such a game. 2880x1800 on the other hand... well, that could easily let the GPU sweat on higher settings.
 
Having seen posts saying "finally we have 32GB but Apple are so stingy for not making 32GB standard in base model, not buying" I can't imagine this ever happening.

If it helps, that is one user - I think the vast majority of people do not expect 32GB to be the standard on this type of laptop since, no manufacturer is doing that!
 
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Just saw the issue with apple admitting they put the silicone membrane to prevent debris from entering the keys. That, and the issue with the i9 chips throttling, might make this quite a clusterf*** situation for apple. Ill wait for their 2019 or redesigned mbp, if they ever get their act together by then.
 
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No redesign in 2019. Another spec bump in spring or summer 2019.

The real redesign with overhaul of chassis/ keyboard will be 2020.

We might see Apple then put in their own CPU's in the lower end MacBook models and then gradually shift away from Intel in their pro machines as well to prevent these throttling issues.

The Intel CPU's seem to get way hotter than Apple's chips it seems. And because Apple can optimize their own stuff better expect better cooling solutions.

I'm just curious how Apple will make pro software compatible with their own CPU's but I'm sure they will pull it off somehow.
 
No redesign in 2019. Another spec bump in spring or summer 2019.

The real redesign with overhaul of chassis/ keyboard will be 2020.

We might see Apple then put in their own CPU's in the lower end MacBook models and then gradually shift away from Intel in their pro machines as well to prevent these throttling issues.

The Intel CPU's seem to get way hotter than Apple's chips it seems. And because Apple can optimize their own stuff better expect better cooling solutions.

I'm just curious how Apple will make pro software compatible with their own CPU's but I'm sure they will pull it off somehow.

I think we might be ~5 years or more away from Apple using their own chips, if they do decide to take that route - the performance and compatibility challenges are immense. It has to function across Windows, macOS as well as Linux.
 
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I think we might be ~5 years or more away from Apple using their own chips, if they do decide to take that route - the performance and compatibility challenges are immense. It has to function across Windows, macOS as well as Linux.
The rumour is 2020 will be when they make the switch. It’s tempting to say they might start small with just the MacBook 12” first, but I don’t think it’s something they will be keen to draw out for too long? It’s the kind of deal where you just want to rip the plaster off and get everything cranked up for the new machines as quickly as possible.
 
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Let me guess, you'll be back next year saying "Can't wait for the 2020 MacBook Pro!"

It'll have in the 13 Inch Model
  1. 2TB Super Fast SSD no extra charge
  2. 200GB of DDR6 SDRAM
  3. a 10k screen
  4. a "normal" sized trackpad
  5. The TouchBar will play FlappyBird
  6. FaceID
  7. 3D Touch
  8. And it will utilize the first ever Digital Crown on a MacBook Pro!
 
Just saw the issue with apple admitting they put the silicone membrane to prevent debris from entering the keys. That, and the issue with the i9 chips throttling, might make this quite a clusterf*** situation for apple. Ill wait for their 2019 or redesigned mbp, if they ever get their act together by then.

I’ll buy when they have customised the laptop like they do with a birthday cake at the bakery.
 
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The rumour is 2020 will be when they make the switch. It’s tempting to say they might start small with just the MacBook 12” first, but I don’t think it’s something they will be keen to draw out for too long? It’s the kind of deal where you just want to rip the plaster off and get everything cranked up for the new machines as quickly as possible.

I will be in absolute shock if they managed to complete this feat in 2020. I’d love for them to do so, but it’s such a huge task - even for the 12” Macbook (maybe more so with it being only 4.5w TDP and fanless).
 
Did you guys all get your 32GB MacBook Pro? Over the last 3 years that's all you guys have been really wanting...(couldn't find the waiting for 2018 MBP thread).
 
Let me guess, you'll be back next year saying "Can't wait for the 2020 MacBook Pro!"
But of course, it’s tradition, and 2020 will likely be a redesign year to boot!

I will be in absolute shock if they managed to complete this feat in 2020. I’d love for them to do so, but it’s such a huge task - even for the 12” Macbook (maybe more so with it being only 4.5w TDP and fanless).
They’ve honestly probably been working on it for years, I expect they were tinkering with MacOS on arm even before iOS launched - it is basically a fork with a touch interaction layer added if SJ is to be believed. If their chip team can make such an impressive A10X with an <5W TDP, imagine what they could manage given 15, 28 or 45 to play with! That should put their chips in a position to emulate all but the most demanding x86 software - remember the windows 10 ARM version was running on a snapdragon 835, literally a mobile phone chip which explains the sluggish emulation. I expect a highly optimised ‘Rosetta 2’ running on a super-powered octa-core Apple A13M chip or something would probably be a pretty decent interim experience.
 
But of course, it’s tradition, and 2020 will likely be a redesign year to boot!


They’ve honestly probably been working on it for years, I expect they were tinkering with MacOS on arm even before iOS launched - it is basically a fork with a touch interaction layer added if SJ is to be believed. If their chip team can make such an impressive A10X with an <5W TDP, imagine what they could manage given 15, 28 or 45 to play with! That should put their chips in a position to emulate all but the most demanding x86 software - remember the windows 10 ARM version was running on a snapdragon 835, literally a mobile phone chip which explains the sluggish emulation. I expect a highly optimised ‘Rosetta 2’ running on a super-powered octa-core Apple A13M chip or something would probably be a pretty decent interim experience.

It would have been really nice if Steve was around for this transition as well. He would have made the keynote rock.
 
Anyone know how upgradeable they are or will be? Especially ram and SSD. They finally support 32GB of DDR4 - is getting 16GB in view of a future upgrade even a possibility?
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So true!

The problem is that all the Pro and high end customers were asking for thinner and thinner laptops.

Nobody wanted a reliable keyboard or processors that don't throttle or too many still useful legacy ports.

Everybody kept telling them - throw away all the tried and true design decisions and do everything possible to make your Pro laptops as thin as possible, irrespective of the consequences.

..

Wait a minute... o_O:confused:
I feel like I have something wrong here..
No one ever asked them to totally compromise function and performance over design as much as they did.

It was a given that Apple would know how to engineer a reliable beast of a laptop for that entry price.

The proof is they claim this one is all about power for developers and creatives. So a slow, overheating brick with a dysfunctional keyboard just doesn't make sense.

They goofed up - something in Cupertino is out of whack...
 
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Anyone know how upgradeable they are or will be? Especially ram and SSD. They finally support 32GB of DDR4 - is getting 16GB in view of a future upgrade even a possibility?
It's unlikely Apple will go back to offering user-upgradable RAM or socketed SSD for the MacBook Pro anytime soon. If either of those things are a must-have, be prepared to look elsewhere.
 
It's unlikely Apple will go back to offering user-upgradable RAM or socketed SSD for the MacBook Pro anytime soon. If either of those things are a must-have, be prepared to look elsewhere.
I haven't seen a 2018 mbp 15 tear-down yet. Have you? Sometimes third-parties like OWC get creative. I know everything indicates a move towards proprietary architectures, chips, boards that can't be fixed and must be replaced etc.. Wishful thinking I guess. Oh the good ole days...where have they gone.
 
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There will come a time when it would start showing its age. That it has so far managed to remain mostly functional is a remarkable tip of the hat to Apple's software engineering back then.

Of course there will be a time when its game over for Aperture. I just wish I can use it for a long time and therefore 2020 MBPs will use INTEL CPUs. Another option would be that Apple gets its act together and releases again a Pro Photo app. It is beyond me why they do this for Video Editors and Music Producers but not for Photographers as I belief there are way more people into photography then editing videos and music.
 
There were some rumors that we might see a non-TB model later this year. Is it possible this can come in 15 inch ? I would hate to buy the touchbar-mbp now to find out they release one without it.
 
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