https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks/
Are we even looking at the same results?
In any multicore test, the 6 core tears away from the HQ, and in single threaded tests, Coffee Lake should still be ahead.
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https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks/
Are we even looking at the same results?
In any multicore test, the 6 core tears away from the HQ, and in single threaded tests, Coffee Lake should still be ahead.
Had multiple 2016/17 MBP's, all had keyboard issues. Waited for 2018. Got my 32GB ram, they updated the keyboard. Wanted to wait to see if there would be reports of keyboard failures, but now seeing thermal throttling, I'm out of the waiting game for good. I've lost my faith in Apple completely.
See you with the next redesign, hopefully they won't make it even thinner. One can dream, right?
See you with the next redesign, hopefully they won't make it even thinner. One can dream, right?
Most of serious problems, are caused from thinness!
Thermal throttling, keyboard failures due to the selected mechanisms(in favor of thinness), the delays about offering 32gb ram, etc...
Thermal throttling, keyboard failures due to the selected mechanisms(in favor of thinness), the delays about offering 32gb ram, etc...
Still waiting....
Bad press and class actions caused a warranty extension, free repairs and refunds, a modification to the keyboard mechanism (silicone membrane) a bigger battery and the use of 32 GB of non-LP RAM....
Hopefully bad press for thermal throttling will cause an anticipation of the laptop redesign in 2019....
It is not difficult, revert to 2015 thickness, stop using USB-C for power supply (bring back magsafe), redesign the cooling system to dissipate 6 cores and a decent (Vega) GPU heat and, maybe, the 2019 will be the laptop to buy...
Bad press and class actions caused a warranty extension, free repairs and refunds, a modification to the keyboard mechanism (silicone membrane) a bigger battery and the use of 32 GB of non-LP RAM....
Hopefully bad press for thermal throttling will cause an anticipation of the laptop redesign in 2019....
It is not difficult, revert to 2015 thickness, stop using USB-C for power supply (bring back magsafe), redesign the cooling system to dissipate 6 cores and a decent (Vega) GPU heat and, maybe, the 2019 will be the laptop to buy...
Oh bummer. Is the i5 in TB models also throttling so bad? I was just about to ask whether anybody had a chance to test exactly this.
At the rate that Intel is shrinking its process, I'll be waiting for the 2030 7nm chips
or the 2019 AMD macBook Pro 
Unless of course the ARM rumour comes to fruition this time - which I wouldn’t be at all surprised about at this pointAt the rate that Intel is shrinking its process, I'll be waiting for the 2030 7nm chips
You misread. If the i9 could maintain its power sure. But I wouldn’t say the i7 in the 2017 or 2018 have that much disparity.
Atleast the 2017 HQ can hold its own and for longer than 30 seconds hahahah
Where they will solve the keyboard problems by replacing the keys with pressure-sensitive or capacitative pads (no moving parts, so nothing to gum up) and make the laptop even thinner. And raise the prices.
I'm only half joking about the first prediction, not at all about the others.
So true!
The problem is that all the Pro and high end customers were asking for thinner and thinner laptops.
Nobody wanted a reliable keyboard or processors that don't throttle or too many still useful legacy ports.
Everybody kept telling them - throw away all the tried and true design decisions and do everything possible to make your Pro laptops as thin as possible, irrespective of the consequences.
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Wait a minute...
I feel like I have something wrong here..
I disagree. Of course everyone wants a compact devices but good design is a good compromise between various parameters. If I need to transport my laptop in a bag full of dongles and cables this is a nightmare. If CPU throttling impacts a performance so even CPU base frequency cannot be achieved this is a sign that something is wrong with the design especially if we pay an extra money (a lot of money) for top configuration.
Late 2019 / early 2020 MBP could be a full hardware refresh. If it isn't, will people wait another year?
Timeframe for the next MBP will put us on Icelake 10nm and either Vega 7nm or Navi 7nm. That will give designers a lot of extra room to play with in terms of thermal capacity. They can also switch to LPDDR4 to gain even more thermal capacity at a small cost to performance.
If the silicon membrane is enough to fix Apple's keyboard issues, I'd be inclined to just use the current design and use the extra space to put a SDXC card port and USB-A port on there... but I doubt Apple would do anything that sensible.
If they don't refresh the hardware during that timeframe, it may be because work on Apple's own APU is progressing well and the company commits to designing their future notebooks around it. I would not want to be in the first batch of guinea pigs buying a Macbook using an Apple APU, if such a device is ever created.
Timeframe for the next MBP will put us on Icelake 10nm and either Vega 7nm or Navi 7nm. That will give designers a lot of extra room to play with in terms of thermal capacity. They can also switch to LPDDR4 to gain even more thermal capacity at a small cost to performance.
If the silicon membrane is enough to fix Apple's keyboard issues, I'd be inclined to just use the current design and use the extra space to put a SDXC card port and USB-A port on there... but I doubt Apple would do anything that sensible.
If they don't refresh the hardware during that timeframe, it may be because work on Apple's own APU is progressing well and the company commits to designing their future notebooks around it. I would not want to be in the first batch of guinea pigs buying a Macbook using an Apple APU, if such a device is ever created.
What's funny is that 2 years on from the 2016 redesign, not only do I not own a single USB-C item, but I have no intention of acquiring one in the foreseeable future. I don't think owning one of the new MacBook Pros would have changed that either; I'd simply be forced into dongle-life to use my existing USB drives and other devices that I'm perfectly happy with. A minor inconvenience maybe, but still.
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I’m done with this case. Quite happy with my late 2016 15” but already bought an iMac and going to sell this macbook to replace with hassle free MacBook Air on the go.
Wake me up when Apple leaves its thinness craze.
Wake me up when Apple leaves its thinness craze.
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2008, 2012, 2016 all saw redesigns launch
If you really think that Apple cares whether you ditch this Mac or the next Mac for whatever your reason, truth is Apple doesn’t really care if you buy this one or the next one or if you decide to get a Dell or go back to windows, seriously they will make there goals. The MBP is a niche market anyway for Apple. So many posters saying take that Apple lol
I think they do, at least in terms of trends. They care very much about customers choosing not to buy their products and to say they don't goes against business logic
Maybe I'm reading something into your post, but you imply that apple doesn't really care much about the customers or the business because its so tiny. Yes its much smaller then the iPhone, but apple made almost 6 billion dollars on mac sales last quarter. Not last year, last quarter. That is a huge amount in of itself and to say its not really a concern of apple makes my head scratch. Apple cares very much about, otherwise we wouldn't have seen the iMac Pro or them promising a new Mac Pro.
I bought one of the new 15” MBP’s to update my 2015 Model. The keyboard on the new one is awful and the Radeon cannot run WOW worth a darn. Can’t even run WOW with “high quality” graphics enabled. I returned it mostly for those two issues. The SSD is incredibly fast.
The 560 can't run WOW on it at high settings? Wow indeed.
What I was trying to say is the people that come on here’s and say I’m not buying because of this issue or that issue and take that Apple because you won’t get my money. Those are just a few people here and in the big picture Apple has more customers than just the people on this forum. So Apple won’t hurt by those on here that say I’m not buying. Of course Apple cares about selling there products but they will never please everyone especially some that frequent here.
If anything, people on this forum would usually be those who would typically buy a MacBook, so in some way, it makes it worse if someone doesn't on this forum - as they could represent the intentions of many others outside this forum.
I hope for a time where the only major criticms of MacBook's is that they are expensive - I can live with that.
Are you sure? I have late 2016 15" with RP460 and I play WoW so great at full hd and detail level 5-6. Metal is great for WoW now.