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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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For those believing Intel will have 10 nm process working, next year.
10nm is cool and all, but I think a proper keyboard and feedback enabled TouchBar is what’ll really change the experience for most. Wonder if there are going to be rumours or patents about them anytime soon.
Thanks for that. I just pulled the trigger on a 2018 13” yesterday out of a suspicion that exactly this would happen.
Well that and even if they did get 10nm, Apple would remove one of the fans making the 2019s run hot or just do some other weird **** that would make me curse them.
At this point I really have to wonder if Intel have puled the plug entirely and are working on a 7nm process to catch back up - if they're not at 10nm next year, when the competitions on 7nm and will probably start working on 5nm there really doesn't seem to be any point bothering with 10 at all?For those believing Intel will have 10 nm process working, next year.
I'm really looking forward to reading the "Insiders Story Of What Happened To Intel" a few years from now.
Somebody (on MacRumors I think) said they knew someone who had just retired from the engineering department complaining about political infighting inside the company. I bet there is some self interested cabal in there that has really messed things up good (as happens in so many companies).
Not that I mind seeing a resurgent AMD. That sort of thing can only be good for us consumers. And if Apple really does change over to ARM in the future, thats the sort of shot across the bow that could make Intel come to its senses before its too late...
Intrigue!!!!
Indeed - I believe a very similar situation was a big contributing factor to bringing Nokia down - they lost their way to competing internal interests just as Apple and Google were parking their tanks on their lawn with iOS an Android.
I feel like, to a large degree Intel are too big to fail - they could possibly even pivot into laptop/ desktop grade ARM chips themselves going forward? And they likely have enterprise x86 to fall back on for a good while yet, even if ARM starts gaining traction on the Windows side as well...
The thing that sucks about the 10nm delays is that 10nm is probably necessary to get enough thermal bandwidth to redesign the machine. And the keyboard isn't likely to change without a complete redesign.
I'm pretty worried that Apple will actually pull the trigger on ARM. This could be good for the company in the long-run, but it will absolutely suck for users for ~3 years. People have talked about getting x86 code running on ARM for at least a decade and it still hasn't happened. Much of the software we currently use will disappear, and games in particular will never be updated for new machines. In the worst case, we'll lose the ability to download and run software from outside the app store.
An assumption based on nothing.
This can never happen to macOS. #AssumptionBasedOnXcode
Just for the sake of discussion: Apple is rumored to drop Intel from their computers in 2020. AMD in 2020 will release their next generation, 7 nm APUs, based on the same modular, chiplet design, as Rome is.
7 nm GPUs, RX550 replacement will be 1536 GCN core. I can easily see, however, semi-custom chip, based on chiplets: I/O Die, 8 Core/16 Thread CPU, 2-4 GB's of HBM2, 2048 GCN core Navi GPU.
The single heatsink design may be perfect for this unified architecture.
7 nm GPUs, RX550 replacement will be 1536 GCN core. I can easily see, however, semi-custom chip, based on chiplets: I/O Die, 8 Core/16 Thread CPU, 2-4 GB's of HBM2, 2048 GCN core Navi GPU.
The single heatsink design may be perfect for this unified architecture.
Let’s see them first do it on an iPad, I mean iOS is already too limiting on it right?
I don’t think anyone is convinced until it is seen. We have a company who is struggling to put out a quality keyboard or fix their ARM T2 chip issues, but apparently are going to make x86 to ARM transition? This ain’t it chief.
You can to take TCO into account. Fixing an XPS will likely be cheaper than an equivalent mac. The latest range simple aren't made for repair or upgrading.
Hard drive die/upgrade: mac replace entire logic board, xps replace drive
Ram die/upgrade: mac replace entire logic board, xps replace ram
Keyboard die: mac replace entire computer, xps replace keyboard
Apple cover will not last that long and you will likely be told by the apple geniuses if it has a problem it will be cheaper to get a new computer.
Microsoft have done a good job of fixing security and malware issues that negates third part protection and there are a number of options to purchase bloatware free installs. These arguments were once true, but are now dated. Microsoft has improved as a company, Apple have not. I would go as far as saying Apple is becoming a fashion boutique company, less of a workhorse for the design industry.
At this point, if you can wait until next July then you'd just as well. Only update before then if there's a really pressing need to.
My MacBook Pro is still a beast of course
but the battery is weak as hell. after 2 hours I need to charge again, even less
Because of it I'm wondering what do to
I’d replace the battery while Apple still does those replacements for your model year, and enjoy your computer for a few more years until the next major redesign comes out. If it’s fast enough for your needs, a battery replacement is much cheaper than a purchasing a brand new one.
You can find more information on this on the below link to Apples service site:
https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service
If you have a retina MacBook Pro it would only cost $200 USD to have Apple replace your battery, assuming there is no other damage that needs repair on your machine.
https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=181728&curpostid=181789
For those believing there will be ARM computer, anytime soon.
For those believing there will be ARM computer, anytime soon.
I for one haven't - and it is good to see that I am not alone in benchmark bashing
.Edit: Technically we do have ARM computers today, just running cut down OS's.
Edit 2: For those uninitiated, Linus Torvalds is the creator of Linux, not a random forumer.
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That does not say anything against or in favour of the possibility of an eventual launch of an ARM based Mac anytime soon or anytime later.
Neither is Kuo's rumors of it - people love to remember what he was right about, never about how much he gets wrong. He throws a lot of spaghetti at the wall.
I wonder how many times in the past 10 years the ARM rumors have happened and failed to materialize...
Kuo said specifically that Apple will switch to their own, custom designed chips, or that they will drop Intel?
Switch from Power architecture to x86 was because it was beneficial for Apple computers. Outside of specific cases like Apple designed software, switch from x86 to ARM will result in decrese in performance, and will ultimately change Apple computers into glorified iToys, with File System.
What that posts says is about the distortion of reality GeekBench 4 creates, with its scores.
My speculation is that perhaps Apple kept the retina MacBook so that it will be the first Apple computer to get an ARM cpu, and presumably a really long battery life. My guess is based is that under Tim Cook, Apple doesn't mind product fragmentation (look at all the different versions of iPhones, iPads, MacBooks and iMacs being sold), and that as bad as the MacBook Pro line has been treated as a non-Pro product, I can't see them jumping to all ARM in about two years.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/27/amazon_aws_graviton_specs/
Amazon's homegrown 2.3GHz 64-bit Graviton processor was very nearly an AMD Arm CPU
Amazon's homegrown 2.3GHz 64-bit Graviton processor was very nearly an AMD Arm CPU