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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

For me:

* T3 (or working T2) based system with no ridiculous KP/Audio issues.
* Properly fixed keyboard.
* 3x3 802.11ac Wave 2 or stronger 802.11ax based deployment.
* 13" Quad Core.
* Reduced price.

I don't think it's actually that unreasonable; that's not significantly far from the current 13". Yet it's still a million miles away.
 
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512GB SSD as a bare minimum.
Touchbar as an option.
New, better keyboard (back to the old one).
iPhone-charging dongle included.
 
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Basic75 said:
They should remove the TouchBar, bring back the function keys, and if they really want a second display convert the trackpad into a touchscreen.
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don't ask for this, the Asus has this and it looks absolutely terrible to use. worse than touchbar.

d0nK said:
512GB SSD as a bare minimum.
Touchbar as an option.
New, better keyboard (back to the old one).
iPhone-charging dongle included.
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512gb as minimum is a bit overkill for the average user
 
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I have decided to delay my MacBook Pro upgrade until late 2021. That will be seven years after my 2015 MacBook Pro release.

What I might do in the interim is get a Surface Laptop to hold me over along with a combination of a Mac Mini 5k display.

I am planning my major upgrade cycle around 5G. By late 2021, it should be in full effect and the iPhone will be in its second iteration on this next generation network. I will be upgrading other hardware such as my iPad by then too.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
I have decided to delay my MacBook Pro upgrade until late 2021. That will be seven years after my 2015 MacBook Pro release.

What I might do in the interim is get a Surface Laptop to hold me over along with a combination of a Mac Mini 5k display.

I am planning my major upgrade cycle around 5G. By late 2021, it should be in full effect and the iPhone will be in its second iteration on this next generation network. I will be upgrading other hardware such as my iPad by then too.
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Hahaha are you parodying yourself now or is this a serious post?
 
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I have serious doubts I can bring myself to hand over £2,700 for a computer. Honestly I just don’t see it being worth it. I know I’ll want to upgrade again in 2-3 years.

£2,349 is more doable, but I won’t spend that much on a 256GB computer. So if they won’t make a lower end 15” power wise, then starting the line at 512GB would be something at least.

Failing everything else I’m just going to have to peel myself away from macs, and if I go I won’t be coming back or recommending them to friends and family in the future...
 
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Falhófnir said:
I have serious doubts I can bring myself to hand over £2,700 for a computer. Honestly I just don’t see it being worth it. I know I’ll want to upgrade again in 2-3 years.

£2,349 is more doable, but I won’t spend that much on a 256GB computer. So if they won’t make a lower end 15” power wise, then starting the line at 512GB would be something at least.

Failing everything else I’m just going to have to peel myself away from macs, and if I go I won’t be coming back or recommending them to friends and family in the future...
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The pricing is bad enough, but it's the other issues that are show stoppers for me. I like the new 13" quad core, but given the price AND the challenges with keyboard, audio, and KP, there's no way I'd consider buying one right now. But yeah, slash the price in half and I'd be more likely to put up with being a beta tester while they figure things out.
 
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Apple was always expensive compared to the competition, but you could say it was still value for money, but now they have become truly greedy.

I bought an extra adapter for MBP which costs $79 as before, but it comes with no cable. The usb-c charge cable is an extra $19, which effectively means they increased the price of adapter by 24% !!!
 
cfdlab said:
Apple was always expensive compared to the competition, but you could say it was still value for money, but now they have become truly greedy.

I bought an extra adapter for MBP which costs $79 as before, but it comes with no cable. The usb-c charge cable is an extra $19, which effectively means they increased the price of adapter by 24% !!!
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It's not greed, it's capitalism. Apple is a for profit organization.
 
Falhófnir said:
I have serious doubts I can bring myself to hand over £2,700 for a computer. Honestly I just don’t see it being worth it. I know I’ll want to upgrade again in 2-3 years.

£2,349 is more doable, but I won’t spend that much on a 256GB computer. So if they won’t make a lower end 15” power wise, then starting the line at 512GB would be something at least.

Failing everything else I’m just going to have to peel myself away from macs, and if I go I won’t be coming back or recommending them to friends and family in the future...
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I've no issue as long as the value exists for my $4,240, however it simply doesn't add up in my eyes these days, so no sale. More importantly the alternatives are offering far greater usability, flexibility and reliability with the build quality ever improving.

Another factor is I don't want to deeply invest with a company that sees the personal computer as a dead end, attempting to force it's own idea of the future of computing i.e. IPP for it's own purpose. Apple is clearly pushing the pricing boundaries to offset stagnating sales, combined with the nickel & diming it's really starting to leave a sour taste in the mouth. Apple wants to ask stratospheric pricing it equally needs to deliver and that goes way beyond just looking nice...

Personally I no longer recommend Mac's as for the best part they are overpriced, underfeatured, with questionable reliability & ridiculous repair cost. Was a time when I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac, today the Mac is simply for enthusiast's and the few who absolutely need to work in the macOS environment. Current pricing will drive off more enthusiasts and the lack of performance, usability and features will drive off ever more professional's.

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I have bought iBook G4 and the black plastic MBP personally, and I could justify the price for the value I got. After that all my purchase is from work, and I could not afford to buy them personally. From 2016 onwards, the pricing is so insane relative to value, that I would now not even consider spending my own money on apple products even if I could afford it, which I cannot. I know many people in the same boat who were ready to spend more because the products would last longer, but we cannot say the same any more. The macs from 2016 onwards have too many problems, cannot be upgraded later and likely will not last as long as before due to the fragile keyboard and touchbar (be patient, you will see more problem with TB as time goes on).
 
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I have bought iBook G4 and the black plastic MBP personally, and I could justify the price for the value I got. After that all my purchase is from work, and I could not afford to buy them personally. From 2016 onwards, the pricing is so insane relative to value, that I would now not even consider spending my own money on apple products even if I could afford it, which I cannot. I know many people in the same boat who were ready to spend more because the products would last longer, but we cannot say the same any more. The macs from 2016 onwards have too many problems, cannot be upgraded later and likely will not last as long as before due to the fragile keyboard and touchbar (be patient, you will see more problem with TB as time goes on).
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Selfishly, I'm actually somewhat glad that that pace of CPU development has slowed so much. Taking care of an older MacBook doesn't require much, and with a replacement battery factored in I'm thinking I've got a few more years before I really NEED to buy a replacement. Certainly I consider it a luxury item and there's no way I'm buying a new one every year :D. If I needed it professionally and was genuinely concerned about bang for the buck I'd grudgingly be using a Windows machine I'm sure, as I do in fact, but my MacBook is a personal machine. The Quad Core 13" would be great, but the Dual Core works just fine and it doesn't matter to me whether a GarageBand extract takes 4 minutes or 2 minutes. The slower performance gains have allowed dated processors to maintain relevance longer than in the old days. IMO.
 
Howard2k said:
The pricing is bad enough, but it's the other issues that are show stoppers for me. I like the new 13" quad core, but given the price AND the challenges with keyboard, audio, and KP, there's no way I'd consider buying one right now. But yeah, slash the price in half and I'd be more likely to put up with being a beta tester while they figure things out.
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Queen6 said:
I've no issue as long as the value exists for my $4,240, however it simply doesn't add up in my eyes these days, so no sale. More importantly the alternatives are offering far greater usability, flexibility and reliability with the build quality ever improving.

Another factor is I don't want to deeply invest with a company that sees the personal computer as a dead end, attempting to force it's own idea of the future of computing i.e. IPP for it's own purpose. Apple is clearly pushing the pricing boundaries to offset stagnating sales, combined with the nickel & diming it's really starting to leave a sour taste in the mouth. Apple wants to ask stratospheric pricing it equally needs to deliver and that goes way beyond just looking nice...

Personally I no longer recommend Mac's as for the best part they are overpriced, underfeatured, with questionable reliability & ridiculous repair cost. Was a time when I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac, today the Mac is simply for enthusiast's and the few who absolutely need to work in the macOS environment. Current pricing will drive off more enthusiasts and the lack of performance, usability and features will drive off ever more professional's.

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I think the thing that gets me on the pricing is that I don’t need a particularly powerful computer in the first place - but because the pro is the only 15” option and I like to have the larger screen size, I have to pay for the dGPU, the hexacore i7H, over fast SSD etc. The fact they removed the iGPU option that was perfectly suitable for my needs is really irksome as it adds an unnecessary £500 at a stroke! I don’t think I’d be quite as irritated over the pricing if I was actually going to use the power the machines offer, but as it is, like I say it’s just a huge lump of money for power that will sit idle...

At this point with the KB I’m almost willing to chance it (I’d probably get a magic KB for the majority of typing, as annoying as that is and as much as it’s yet more expense) on the basis that if I had continuous headaches with it, again that would be the end of my relationship with macs.

As a still heavily indebted graduate in a reasonable but not stellar paying graduate job (who is suppposed to be saving up to move out) I guess I’m just a lot more aware of cost now than I was when it was my parents money being spent when I wanted a new computer :oops:
 
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Does anyone actually use 4 TB3 ports, or even 3?

I ask because, I can’t imagine having 4 things sticking out of a laptop, it’s just horrible.

When docked, you usually connect 1 dock to your laptop and have all the different peripherals/monitors attached to that, connecting to one TB3 port. Perfect, no messy wires and with just one wire you get access to all your accessories.

Which brings me to my point, if we would rarely ever use 4 TB3 ports, would anyone have actually complained if a couple of them were replaced with a HDMI, USB-C and say an SD card reader?

I find that having a peripheral connect without a dongle more useful than having loads connected at the same time.
 
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Ma2k5 said:
Does anyone actually use 4 TB3 ports, or even 3?

I ask because, I can’t imagine having 4 things sticking out of a laptop, it’s just horrible.

When docked, you usually connect 1 dock to your laptop and have all the different peripherals/monitors attached to that, connecting to one TB3 port. Perfect, no messy wired and with just one wire you get access to all your accessories.

Which brings me to my point, if we would rarely ever use 4 TB3 ports, would anyone have actually complained if a couple of them were replaced with a HDMI, USB-C and say an SD card reader?

I find that having a peripheral connect without a dongle more useful than having loads connected at the same time.
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I have two USB ports. I actually realized the other day when I was doing a bunch of simultaneous tasks that a third or fourth USB port might have been handy, but it was really the first time I can’t recall wanting to use more than two ports. On occasion I do use the HDMI and SD ports.

So yeah, I certainly appreciate the port flexibility and am not looking forwards to having to eventually migrate to adaptors/dongles/hubs.
 
Falhófnir said:
£1,699 for the Spectre X360, £1,899 for the XPS, £2699 for the MacBook Pro equivalently specced... is MacOS (as a personal indulgence) really worth £800-£1,000 to me? :confused:
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For me it was, to get away from years of MS frustration, which only worsened with Windows 10.
 
Hoff said:
For me it was, to get away from years of MS frustration, which only worsened with Windows 10.
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Personally I only have a relatively old Windows gaming laptop, but I don't find it really has any issues. It keeps itself up to date periodically, steam keeps itself up to date, no compatibility issues, it works exactly how I want. Maybe if I was using it as an everyday general use machine or with really specialist software I'd see a difference, but I can only speak for the experience I've had...
 
Basic75 said:
What exactly is so terrible?

But fine with me. Then just get rid of the touchbar.
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you have to look even further down and move your hand away from the main input source, its like touchbar but worse.
+ its obstructing your main input source.
 
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you have to look even further down and move your hand away from the main input source, its like touchbar but worse.
+ its obstructing your main input source.
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The reason it’s better than the TouchBar however is, that it doesn’t replace the function keys ;) and can be completely ignored!
 
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Robdmb said:
Realistically, if you wait for the next update when is that speculated to be?
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All current gen across manufacturers are quite hot and loud relatively compared to previous gens due to the new CPU's. It does beg the question as to when the next game-changing update will happen - probably not next year going by the CPU release cycles, perhaps 2020/21?
 
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