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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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It doesn’t really work when you could get your work done on a basic £400 windows computer. It especially doesn’t work when you just like shiny new toys every 2-3 years, though perhaps therein lies the answer - I don’t want to be using a computer to death, but 4 years is probably doable (psychologically it’s more difficult when you have to stretch to 4 rather than move on at 2-3, but it’s doable). If I upgrade less often I’m basically pickpocketing Apple for the extra money back. I might even stretch my iPhone purchases out longer too as they’re going in a direction I’m honestly not all that fussed on. Yes I think that’s the answer, as Apple turn the thumb screws on the pricing, I just try to not spend any more, even if it means keeping devices longer. Guess I will be waiting it out until at least 2019 then...
I have actually spec'ed one out. Max 15" MacBook Pro except for only 1TB of SSD is actually cheaper this time than what I spent maxed 2016 15" with 1TB SSD.
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Seriously. I had to deal with such comments when I got my 2010 Mac Pro having people tell me they could build a better desktop under $500. Except it was factually impossible as the Xeon processor alone at the time was $1,000 itself.
People are forgetting so many things when comparing Macs to Dells and others. It not just matching Processor A with Processor A.
As someone who spent $1,000 on Windows 10 licenses when it first hit the market and loved it so much, I made sure I had everyone I knew took part of the free upgrade. It blew Windows 7 and Windows 8 away.
However, over the years, Windows 10 keeps getting worse and worse every major release. I got back to my computer one day and it automatically installed the 1803 update. Except, my entire workflow was screwed up. Visual Studio started freezing all the time. Widespread Chrome issues were forcing me to use a different browser. Outlook was freezing and forced me to use the Outlook Web App for more reliable experience.
When 1607 released, it corrupted Windows Update. There were five other computers in my lab that experience the same thing. Every time I ran Windows Update it would error out. The only fix was to download a cumulative update from Microsoft's update catalog website and run the Windows Update troubleshooter after. This was a known issue as the cumulative update resolved the issue with Windows Update
When 1607 released, all my desktop shortcuts and start menu items were failing to open first time per restart. This was a very common issue. When you clicked on an icon, it would say "This stub received a bad data". Clicking on the icon again allowed the program to open normally. Spending hours trying to get it resolved - my only solution was to apply a cumulative update. Oh but remember what I mentioned above? I was unable to run Windows Update too so I had to spend time diagnosing that issue
When 1511 was released, my antivirus was forcefully uninstalled. Causing time from my work day to reinstall and relicense my software.
When 1511 was released, there was a known issue with Disk Cleanup utility built in to Windows. Five of our lab computers ran Disk Cleanup and restarted. They were treated with a screen saying Windows was unable to boot. Three were able to be resolved with Startup Repair using offline media and the DISM command. The two others were, thankfully, being backed up with Acronis so only a day was lost.
So as someone that loved Windows 10 at launch, I am getting so fed up with it. I am happy to pay the "apple tax" as what some people call it to have macOS included. Not to mention Windows 10 causing issues on Microsoft's own hardware.
It is not just matching Processor A to Processor A when people run these spec comparisons as to the difference between Apple and the Windows environment.
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Seriously. I had to deal with such comments when I got my 2010 Mac Pro having people tell me they could build a better desktop under $500. Except it was factually impossible as the Xeon processor alone at the time was $1,000 itself.
People are forgetting so many things when comparing Macs to Dells and others. It not just matching Processor A with Processor A.
As someone who spent $1,000 on Windows 10 licenses when it first hit the market and loved it so much, I made sure I had everyone I knew took part of the free upgrade. It blew Windows 7 and Windows 8 away.
However, over the years, Windows 10 keeps getting worse and worse every major release. I got back to my computer one day and it automatically installed the 1803 update. Except, my entire workflow was screwed up. Visual Studio started freezing all the time. Widespread Chrome issues were forcing me to use a different browser. Outlook was freezing and forced me to use the Outlook Web App for more reliable experience.
When 1607 released, it corrupted Windows Update. There were five other computers in my lab that experience the same thing. Every time I ran Windows Update it would error out. The only fix was to download a cumulative update from Microsoft's update catalog website and run the Windows Update troubleshooter after. This was a known issue as the cumulative update resolved the issue with Windows Update
When 1607 released, all my desktop shortcuts and start menu items were failing to open first time per restart. This was a very common issue. When you clicked on an icon, it would say "This stub received a bad data". Clicking on the icon again allowed the program to open normally. Spending hours trying to get it resolved - my only solution was to apply a cumulative update. Oh but remember what I mentioned above? I was unable to run Windows Update too so I had to spend time diagnosing that issue
When 1511 was released, my antivirus was forcefully uninstalled. Causing time from my work day to reinstall and relicense my software.
When 1511 was released, there was a known issue with Disk Cleanup utility built in to Windows. Five of our lab computers ran Disk Cleanup and restarted. They were treated with a screen saying Windows was unable to boot. Three were able to be resolved with Startup Repair using offline media and the DISM command. The two others were, thankfully, being backed up with Acronis so only a day was lost.
So as someone that loved Windows 10 at launch, I am getting so fed up with it. I am happy to pay the "apple tax" as what some people call it to have macOS included. Not to mention Windows 10 causing issues on Microsoft's own hardware.
It is not just matching Processor A to Processor A when people run these spec comparisons as to the difference between Apple and the Windows environment.
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Two things I'd really love to see are an OLED display which seems like a natural thing to do now that we have dark mode, and FaceID. I feel like these are fairly realistic.
The less realistic things would include a 3:2 aspect ratio which is likely not happening, but who knows. If they go OLED, they might as well add a notch to the laptops to accommodate the camera, just like they did with the iPhone, and leave all the remaining real estate to the display.
The less realistic things would include a 3:2 aspect ratio which is likely not happening, but who knows. If they go OLED, they might as well add a notch to the laptops to accommodate the camera, just like they did with the iPhone, and leave all the remaining real estate to the display.
SSD speeds have increased which obviously is more expensive
Internal graphics on the processor have increased drastically since 2012
Not everyone needs more than 256GB of storage locally. I do all my work on externals and store the results on my NAS and other externals for backups. I am only using 146 GB at the moment.
I could buy a new MacBook Pro right now, but I can't really justify it when mine is doing what I need, although its straining at times with the couple Windows VM's I run. The larger screen (currently using a 13 inch) would be a nice upgrade. Apple is being a little unreasonable though with the entry price on the 15 inch.
They could use even the entry level touch bar 13 inch specs; and or even remove the touch bar alltogeter to produce a more affordable priced 15 inch SKU for those who want just a larger screen. They had this many years ago until the retina model was introduced.
I could see something like this going for 1,800 to 2,000, still overpriced, but not leaving an extreme bad taste.
It seems Apple is intentionally wanting to make laptops a niche product and pushing users to buy an iPad or MacBook if you do want a laptop Mac.
Oh yeah I forgot my iPad has 6 cores, 4TB, a 4GB GPU, and full macOS.
Then why make these posts every year since the 2016 update? The one you have works just fine. Just use that until it does not work as fast for what you need anymore, or it breaks. Who knows it might last until 2021 and you will have a lot more money available to spend on a new system at that time.
It is frustrating - I genuinely can’t see why they couldn’t slot the 2017 model in at the $1,999 price point the 2015 just vacated, apart from greed. I’d like to think they will come along with a 15” MacBook at the $1,799 price point or so, but no official rumours for that
https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/lap...tops/new-xps-15-laptop/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop
Unless I am missing something, It is the same 6 Core CPU, you get a Nvidia 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5, let call that the same as AMD 555X 4GB GDDR5, 16GB of DDR4 Memory, 512GB SSD. So it is roughly the same.
For MBP, You do get a much faster SSD, the Apple SSD is very fast, along with 1300 Mbps 3x3 802.11ac, which is more than those standard 2x2 866Mbps WiFi in Dell.
If you spec the Entry Version of 15" MBP Touch Bar to match the XPS, it would cost £2529, still £630 more expensive. Again more then the usual £300 - £400 premium. Again we are paying £230 for Touch Bar.
XPS seems much more cheaper
XPS 15 9570 with:
15.6 3840 x 2160 screen
i7-8750H (6 cores)
32Gb Ram
1TB SSD
GTX 1050Ti
- £1,998.42
MBP 2018 15 with:
15 inch retina
i7-8750H
32Gb Ram
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro 560X
- £3,419.00
Hude price difference!
XPS 15 9570 with:
15.6 3840 x 2160 screen
i7-8750H (6 cores)
32Gb Ram
1TB SSD
GTX 1050Ti
- £1,998.42
MBP 2018 15 with:
15 inch retina
i7-8750H
32Gb Ram
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro 560X
- £3,419.00
Hude price difference!
I got it cheaper by speaking to rep - the XPS 15 - manages to get ~10% off that price.
I haven’t gone ahead with the purchase, but was tempted!
One day in 2006, Windows tried to clean 72GB out of my 40GB hard disk, it cleaned out the entire disk and itself. Next day, I built myself a Hackintosh and never looked back to a Windows computer again.
You got Coffee Lake and changed to Cannon Lake just because you wanted to.!?!?
You have no idea whether the keyboard is more reliable and really have no ability to make that call yet.
You got the more RAM you wanted but have now decided you want that standard.
Display res so far is your only legit claim.
Lowered base price. Let’s come back to that.
You’ve made a wish list only to revise it even though some items are satisfied. No way Apple will satisfy you. Why?
1. You won’t get 32GB standard, likely not for a few years.
2. Next year you will scratch out Cannon Lake and change it to the horizon again.
3. Apple isn’t likely to change their base price. Their M.O. is to update and leave pricing relatively flat. They like to update specs and features for the same price points. Waiting for a lower base price is like saying you will always wait.
There may be valid reasons to put it off but those aren’t any. Not really. My cousin does on air graphics and motion for several cable tv networks on a freelance basis and bought a new MBP in April because he needed it to travel and work. He had a legit reason for a workhouse editing machine and bought what he could. He didn’t whine about cycle refreshes or marginal spec increases. He bought the best tool available to allow him to earn his livelihood.
Crying about specs like many on here and like most are is likely a consumer not professional and amounts to heckling from th cheap seats.
Been using MBP 15 3.1 2017 for quite some time and I rather wait for 2019 version. I did some benchmark comparison with Novabench data provided by some early tests. Indeed, base i7 8750H is 40% faster than my 7920hq while RAM, SSD and GPU are within the statistical error.
I would rather wait for CPU in 10nm technology as well as (hopefully) next Vega GPU
I would rather wait for CPU in 10nm technology as well as (hopefully) next Vega GPU
Sorry it was meant to be the X360 I typed - there is a ‘2 in 1’ variant of the XPS though that folds back like the X360 and I think that uses G series too. I’ve yet to see anything on the 555X but the GPU in the G series chips is competitive with a 1050 (not so much Ti) which makes it better than the 555 and maybe just edges out the 560
Apple have always had the best SSDs, not only the speed but as far as I know they still use MLC rather than TLC so they’re (theoretically) more read-write durable too (i.e they will last longer before wearing out).
I would like to see Apple up their game with the displays a bit though, 120 (or 144?) Hertz refresh would be welcome after seeing the iPads. Eventually it would be nice if they moved back to integer scaling for the new default resolutions as well.
XPS 15 price and specs are really tempting. The big issue for me is Windows OS.
I'd rather have a ten year old 1TB SSD than the fastest 256GB SSD on the planet.
I've been waiting years for Apple to start fitting sensibly-sized SSD's as standard in the mbp's.
I record audio. Making the SSD faster is meaningless to me. I want bigger, not faster.
256GB is a complete joke in such expensive machines.
I've been waiting years for Apple to start fitting sensibly-sized SSD's as standard in the mbp's.
I record audio. Making the SSD faster is meaningless to me. I want bigger, not faster.
256GB is a complete joke in such expensive machines.
Same here, but in all honesty, I'll not be waiting another year. My purchasing of a laptop is sooner then later.
One thing I found out about when I bought and used a Razer for two weeks, is that I really did miss the macOS platform. I use windows heavily, and the laptop remotes into a windows machine, yet once the dust settled, being so engrained in the apple ecosystem, there are intangibles for me to stick with it. The razer was a fine machine, not perfect but fine. I suspect if some of the little annoyances were not there I'd probably not returned it. Palm rejection wasn't the best, the keyboard lighting did not include the f-keys or the secondary values of the numb keys. that made it really hard to use it in a poorly lit room.
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Well I am decided. I am moving away from Mac. The pricing is insane and shows no sign of decreasing. I see no prospect of a non touch bar option in the future. Generally I don’t like the direction things are heading. I’m going to get a Dell xps 13 which is on special currently and dual boot it with windows and Ubuntu to see can I adapt to either environment. Illl keep my 2014 MBP as a main machine for now and also as I think it’s now the MBP at its peak (the 2015 is but it’s not worth changing a 2014 to a 2015). I’m disappointed not to be getting a hex core machine - but I’ll get over that when I see how much money I’ve got left over from not buying the Mac!
I hear ya, if I opt for a new MBP, it may very well be my last. I thought in all honesty that the 2012 was going to be my last one, but I think I may give it one more go. As for the direction, I agree, I'm not liking where apple is headed. I really do like the idea of a laptop having user replaceable parts. Its just plain silly, needing to replace the entire top case because one key broke. Apple lives by the thin sword, they'll die by the thin sword and that's what they get when gluing and soldering everything in sight. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can get a XPS at 1918£ but with just 16gb ram and 512 SSD...so i guess if you go 1TB and 32, it will be over 2300£
If you loose the 4K screen it will bring it back to about £2000 - but then you don’t get a 4K screen
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I'd also add the value of Apple's customer service, especially if live near an Apple store.
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I will purchase the 2019 MB Pro if it has a 4K screen. I don't think that will happen, mind you.