The machines available today are great. It’s a shame that they (not just Apple but everyone) are held back by Intel somewhat. I think the cannon lake era will be the biggest leap in laptops in a while. But that’s more 2020+ rather than 2019.
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The machines available today are great. It’s a shame that they (not just Apple but everyone) are held back by Intel somewhat. I think the cannon lake era will be the biggest leap in laptops in a while. But that’s more 2020+ rather than 2019.
Sorry, I accidentally duplicated my original posted reply and then when I tried to remove the duplicated response it deleted everything, ugh.
I guess maybe I didn’t pay as much attention to the very high end specced Windows computers at that time (college kid budget), but to me the macs have always been super high priced, I just kind of just knew that was part of owning Apple products (I.e. nothing Apple is cheap).
Schiller specifically stated the non TB model would be great for "MacBook Air customers," so I think even naming that the McBook Pro was a mistake. It was made to be "less a pro" than the TB models.
It would make a lot of sense to turn the MacBook into a 13 incher, give it two USB-C ports and price it at 999 for 128/8. $1,299.00 for 256/8 and up and up.
No TrueTone, no DCPI 3 and none of the other bells and whistles. MacBook Air, 12 inch MacBook and 13 inch non-TB MacBook Pro go on the chopping block.
There is a 15w i7-8565u boost to 4.6g with codename whiskey lake. I think it will outperform mbp13 in usually workload.
Didn't Intel and AMD announce the mobile Vega partnership that would get us some good GPUs in the MBPs? What happened to that? Just later this year?
The chips have too high power consumption, about 100w.
Yea I was waiting years for the 32GB Ram option, but yet again I will have to wait it out.
One, Im not paying 3600 for a config that would have cost under 3k a few years ago. And second, I can't bring myself to pay 3600 even if i wanted too with a massive node change coming next year, and way faster graphics.
One, Im not paying 3600 for a config that would have cost under 3k a few years ago. And second, I can't bring myself to pay 3600 even if i wanted too with a massive node change coming next year, and way faster graphics.
Maybe next year:
Core i9 and 32 GBs won't be built order, but you can actually pick up such configuration with 1 TB in store.
Core i9 and 32 GBs won't be built order, but you can actually pick up such configuration with 1 TB in store.
We were saying similar things, just from different lenses. I wasn’t trying to lecture just have a discussion. I would ask, what is your windows machine that you use? What year, what version of Windows?
Windows laptops have only really started to impress, in my opinion, in the last few years and especially this past year. They were either not quite there before, or still pretty far behind. Windows 10 isn’t perfect, but it’s a much improved OS and Microsoft in general delivers a much better user experience today as well than the Balmer era Microsoft. Companies are fluid, and can improve or get worse and have their ups and downs. Right now, it’s a stronger era for windows laptops - never before have they been this level of quality. One could not say windows laptops had better keyboards even 3 years ago. Ultimately, it is Apple who has driven that competition and raised user expectations (they are the “standard” in build quality)
Myself, I can afford any Mac and any configuration of any Mac. But I can’t justify that I should get a maxed out iMac pro, just because I can afford it. Nor can I look at the current Apple laptops and say “these are fair”. I base that solely off what I paid in the past for the similar tier machine
When the 2016 models came out, one of the big complaints at that time was the increase in price. This happens with every redesign, it happened with the MacBook Air, the pro unibody and then later with the pro retina, but those models eventually came down in price - that hasn’t yet happened with the current Gen pros and those who are critical of the prices do bring up valid points
The one area that Apple has that is a huge piece of the debate, is their customer service. If you have an issue with a computer, you can take it to a store or ship it and get the issue resolved.
That’s the balancing act for people who are OS agnostic...save 1000$, or risk ease of access to repair services. No company has a comparable solution.
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While I agree that the MBPs are rather expensive I can't follow your arguments. A few years ago you couldn't get a hex-core laptop. A few years ago you couldn't get an Apple laptop with 32GB of RAM. And there's always a faster GPU or CPU around the corner, things are simply improving quickly. If you aren't buying a laptop with 32GB now it must mean that you don't really need it.
I think your only option is to buy a windows machine if you do not want to pay apple's pricing.
If apple had stuck to the 2015 form factor, imagine what all they could do for pro users.
They could have given a working keyboard.
They could put higher battery capacity (they has 99.5 Whr in 2015 !!!) which would be so great, they could have given 32 gb RAM in 2016 itself.
All the useful ports and magsafe could have been kept.
It would have better thermals which is more important now that we are going to 6-core.
What prevented apple from having just one model that would be a real pro model.
I dont see things becoming better in any real sense in 2019 for my expectations, if the same people are running the show who gave us the disastrous 2016/17 macbook pros.
They could have given a working keyboard.
They could put higher battery capacity (they has 99.5 Whr in 2015 !!!) which would be so great, they could have given 32 gb RAM in 2016 itself.
All the useful ports and magsafe could have been kept.
It would have better thermals which is more important now that we are going to 6-core.
What prevented apple from having just one model that would be a real pro model.
I dont see things becoming better in any real sense in 2019 for my expectations, if the same people are running the show who gave us the disastrous 2016/17 macbook pros.
The macbooks as they are, are getting relativity hot under lot...we don't want a powerful dGPU to make this thing a xxxx
My neighbour has an Alienware with 1070, and even in its thick and heavy case....its hotter than our macbooks
So, let Apple stay with a 35W dGPU...no useless 4k...more pixels for nothing new to the eyes...but, i wouldn't say NO to the promotion technology for the display
My neighbour has an Alienware with 1070, and even in its thick and heavy case....its hotter than our macbooks
So, let Apple stay with a 35W dGPU...no useless 4k...more pixels for nothing new to the eyes...but, i wouldn't say NO to the promotion technology for the display
There is not gonna be a bigger bump in performance for a good while now. The jump from 2 to 4 and 4 to 6 cores where most performance was gained.
For next few years expect your typical 5-10% increases.
The only reason to wait is if you can't afford it now, but then I say go over to Windows based machine as they do not have high fashion Apple tax brand, unless of course you love macos.
For next few years expect your typical 5-10% increases.
The only reason to wait is if you can't afford it now, but then I say go over to Windows based machine as they do not have high fashion Apple tax brand, unless of course you love macos.
If Intel is finally gonna get Cannonlake done and ready across the board, couldn't the jump from 14mm to 10mm mean another big leap in performance? Though since it's Intel we're talking about, this is of course nothing we should rely on at this point.
The other interesting possibility for more performance in the near future is if Apple indeed switches from Intel to an A-series derivative in the Mac lineup; and the MacBook Pros (or possibly even more so the MacBooks) would be a great candidate for making a start. If the rumors about that turn out true then it could mean another big performance leap, seeing as Apple wouldn't make that architecture switch if they wouldn't have anything significant to gain from it. The performance gains in the A-series have been excellent over the last couple years; it would certainly be interesting to see what Apple's engineering team could do with the much more space available in the MBPs, the much higher TDP and so on.
Apart from that I agree – outside of these two possibilities (which are both accompanied by a big "if"), we are probably back to 5-10% performance gains like we had over the last several years.
I am waiting for the 2019 MacBook Pro as I’ve said for a While Now.
#1. IceLake 10nm 8 Core CPU with Spectre and Meltdown Fixes in hardware.
#2. Support for LPDDR4 RAM
#3. More USB-C ports.
#4. Possibly just possibly 120Hz Pro motion display
#5. Built In Face ID Camera System
Everything except #4. Is a deal breaker and I am not buying until then. Everything up til now has been minimal incremental updates. This years are decent.
My 2016 IPad Pro And MacBook Air will have to last a little longer.
I find #3 unlikely, and also #1. They only just went from 4 to 6 cores and Zen hasn't been having as much impact on mobile as on desktop and server.
#1 Probably 2020/2021
#2 Will happen if #1 happens
#3 Seems very unlikely to happen
#4 Won't happen, priority is likely to be resolution not refresh rate
#5 Should happen and I want it too, but some have mentioned it is a big task engineering wise
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The 13" has LPDDR3, not LPDDR4. LPDDR4 is coming in 2019/2020 probably.