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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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Clearly you didn't read a thing I wrote. I have exactly two "dongles" - a TB3 to Dual DisplayPort adapter, and a TB3 to TB2 adapter. The former would be more of a necessity if the machine had fewer TB3/USB-C ports, and the latter isn't really related to whether it has USB-A ports or not.
So, yes, I enjoy having a computer that has a ridiculous amount of external connectivity.
Thunderbolt 3 is incredible and makes my professional use of my machine significantly easier. In fact, I never thought a 13 inch laptop would be able to used as demandingly as I use it. I use my machine for:
RF data collection (connected to software defined radios) at sampling rates that 100% saturate the USB 3 bus (when software defined radios finally move to thunderbolt it will be incredible)
RF data analysis and playback with use of an eGPU (made possible by thunderbolt)
4k video editing with use of eGPU And attachment to high speed SSD storage arrays
I have a single thunderbolt cable hooked up to my laptop that drives:
Samsung 34in ultrawide monitor
Caldigit Thunderbolt 3+ Dock
Akitio Node Pro with Vega 64 eGPU
NVME Storage Array
Akitio 10GBe NiC
Ettus Research USRP
RME ADI-2 DAC
And then for fun, I also have a Kawai Novus Nv10 piano, Midi breath controller, and various other controllers hooked up to it for professional level music production using seriously demanding virtual instruments (East West Hollywood Diamond) in Logic Pro X.
All of this is driven with ONE cable that lets me unplug and be mobile in two seconds flat. It is not an exaggeration to say that the 2018 Macbook Pro 13 has completely changed the way I work. I used to have a desktop at work, a desktop at home, and a laptop. It was a nightmare. Now, I duplicated the exact setup I have at work at home (same egpu, monitor, etc) and no matter where I go I can work or play with zero hassle.
It cracks me up when people say the MBP isn't a professional machine.
RF data collection (connected to software defined radios) at sampling rates that 100% saturate the USB 3 bus (when software defined radios finally move to thunderbolt it will be incredible)
RF data analysis and playback with use of an eGPU (made possible by thunderbolt)
4k video editing with use of eGPU And attachment to high speed SSD storage arrays
I have a single thunderbolt cable hooked up to my laptop that drives:
Samsung 34in ultrawide monitor
Caldigit Thunderbolt 3+ Dock
Akitio Node Pro with Vega 64 eGPU
NVME Storage Array
Akitio 10GBe NiC
Ettus Research USRP
RME ADI-2 DAC
And then for fun, I also have a Kawai Novus Nv10 piano, Midi breath controller, and various other controllers hooked up to it for professional level music production using seriously demanding virtual instruments (East West Hollywood Diamond) in Logic Pro X.
All of this is driven with ONE cable that lets me unplug and be mobile in two seconds flat. It is not an exaggeration to say that the 2018 Macbook Pro 13 has completely changed the way I work. I used to have a desktop at work, a desktop at home, and a laptop. It was a nightmare. Now, I duplicated the exact setup I have at work at home (same egpu, monitor, etc) and no matter where I go I can work or play with zero hassle.
It cracks me up when people say the MBP isn't a professional machine.
Things I really want to see in the next relese:
Honestly that's the dream machine until we get 10nm CPU from Intel sometimes mid next year.
- 16.5 Inches. To be honest, I'd rrather just have 17 inches again but I can live with the high end of the range that Ming suggested. Ever see the LG Gram? That's the perfect form factor imo. Huge screen just 3 pounds. Since we need some powerful guts and cooling tho thicker and more towards 4 pounds seems reasonable. Also we don't have 10nm from Intel any time soon so that means these extra cores Intel is about to add will run even hotter.
- If they just stick with 16 inches I think Apple should make a 17.5 or 18 incher for folks who want big screens at the 4 pound weight threshold. Also if we do a larger model why not add a numeric keypad like the LG 17 Gram has.
- More travel on Keyboard. I really miss this quite a bit. The new keyboards really are ****** to type on - I'm not even getting into all the other issue.
- Vega 20 - Nothing new from AMD until later in the year- this will do fine.
- Face ID
Honestly that's the dream machine until we get 10nm CPU from Intel sometimes mid next year.
I'm afraid that the combination of 6 or 8 core processors, big screen, discrete GPU and under 4 lbs is probably a thermal corner... Yes, the LG Gram is even lighter (and amazingly, 17") , but it performs like a 13" MBP. It has a 15 watt quad core CPU and integrated graphics, not a 45 watt 6-core (probably 8-core in at least some 2019 models)CPU and discrete graphics.
Will Apple build a Gram-like 15"+ machine with absolutely minimum weight in return for severely compromised performance (the Gram geekbenches a little over half of the MBP)? Probably someday -although they may wait and build it with an ARM chip (I've long thought that the ARM transition will be in the lightest portables in the MacBook line, leaving the MBP line on Intel). That machine is a 15" MacBook, NOT the 15" MBP, which is a workstation-class performer defined by its discrete graphics, powerful CPU and super-speedy SSD.
The only reason I'm interested in the super-slim big screen Mac is that it may take some of the weight constraints off the big MBP. If there's a second option for a screen over 13", it makes having the workstation-grade unit at 4.5 or even 5 lbs more palatable.
Either a 4.25-4.5 lb machine that put the extra weight into a 16"+ 4K screen, a different keyboard and more cooling (still with soldered RAM and SSD) OR a 4.75-5 lb Mac that did all of the above and added either some expansion (RAM and/or SSD), a bigger Vega or both would be a nicely improved big MBP.
One problem with the "bigger Vega" option is that Apple loves battery life as well as very slim computers. Even if they're willing to accept the weight of more batteries, they only have around 20 watt-hours of battery they can add (about another 1/4 of what they have) before the laptop can no longer fly. A bigger Vega might well affect power consumption by more than that, so they'd end up with a machine that had shorter battery life, at least in heavy use.
Will Apple build a Gram-like 15"+ machine with absolutely minimum weight in return for severely compromised performance (the Gram geekbenches a little over half of the MBP)? Probably someday -although they may wait and build it with an ARM chip (I've long thought that the ARM transition will be in the lightest portables in the MacBook line, leaving the MBP line on Intel). That machine is a 15" MacBook, NOT the 15" MBP, which is a workstation-class performer defined by its discrete graphics, powerful CPU and super-speedy SSD.
The only reason I'm interested in the super-slim big screen Mac is that it may take some of the weight constraints off the big MBP. If there's a second option for a screen over 13", it makes having the workstation-grade unit at 4.5 or even 5 lbs more palatable.
Either a 4.25-4.5 lb machine that put the extra weight into a 16"+ 4K screen, a different keyboard and more cooling (still with soldered RAM and SSD) OR a 4.75-5 lb Mac that did all of the above and added either some expansion (RAM and/or SSD), a bigger Vega or both would be a nicely improved big MBP.
One problem with the "bigger Vega" option is that Apple loves battery life as well as very slim computers. Even if they're willing to accept the weight of more batteries, they only have around 20 watt-hours of battery they can add (about another 1/4 of what they have) before the laptop can no longer fly. A bigger Vega might well affect power consumption by more than that, so they'd end up with a machine that had shorter battery life, at least in heavy use.
I wonder if Apple would entertain better than Iris GPUs for the 13" on the next go around.
That would really entice me.
That would really entice me.
I was thinking the same - largely on the basis their competitors are beginning to offer dGPUs in their 13" class machines. I think it would be possible to do with a slightly larger 14" design (think they are too constrained for a dedicated chip with the current tiny chassis). Having said that, intel's iGPUs are meant to be getting significantly better (1TFLOP + of performance, so getting up there with a GTX 1050) - and also the GPU in their A12X is pretty insane for an integrated solution so maybe there will be no need?
Didn’t even read the last 3 pages.
So going back to the topic, 9th gen Intel Core series H 14nm processors coming before July:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/21/intel-9th-gen-mobile-core-processor-launch/
So maybe U series CPUs coming also around the same time frame(?)
So going back to the topic, 9th gen Intel Core series H 14nm processors coming before July:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/21/intel-9th-gen-mobile-core-processor-launch/
So maybe U series CPUs coming also around the same time frame(?)
I think those overall have a bit higher package TDP than Apple would want (unless they revamp the thermal solution to handle some insane stuff). I think at a minimum they're all 45w packages with actual peak draw much higher obviously.
The Kaby Lake G series? More suited to 15" size machines like the XPS 15 2in1 and HP Spectre X360. They'd cook in the 13" design - they're 65W or 100W (shared between the CPU and GPU dynamically) while the 13" is designed to handle 28W parts. Additionally it doesn't look like they were ever updated from their first incarnations, so I'm guessing Intel is more interested in pursuing it's own GPU improvements going forward. I'm not sure what AMDs APU offerings are, but Apple seem to have been pretty resistant thus far, and I can't see them investing the effort to integrate AMD branding into the product lines (like they have done for intel i5/i7) if they are gearing up to switch to in house ARM chips.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/136847/kaby-lake-g.html
I would think so, yes. Is the 15" currently running with an H-Series CPU or are they also sporting a U-Series?
Fun fact: new MBPs are released every 326 days on average. It’s been 262 days since the last release. That means there’s 67 days until it’s been 326 days since the last MBP release. 67 days from now is June 6, the week of WWDC 2019.
Would Apple ever consider Nvidia again for the 15" MBP? I'm asking because it seems that Nvidia is really much better on Perf/Watt, it's getting close to a factor of two which is a huge difference that could really help the large MBP!
https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/b77uxp/geforce_gtx_1660_meta_review_1780_benchmarks/
https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/b77uxp/geforce_gtx_1660_meta_review_1780_benchmarks/
I thought Apple was still mad at Nvidia because of the ********* because of the high defect rate of some chips around a decade ago when Nvidia didn't properly accept responsibility, but hey, there might be more reasons.
We don't really know what the reason is. Rumor has it that Nvidia threatened Apple to sue them a couple of years ago. Apple, so the rumor says, didn't take that well
I’m waiting for one of either:
1. 10nm Intel CPUs.
2. 16”+ MBP.
3. Nvidia dGPUs (never happening).
If the 16.5” rumors don’t pan out this year, then I’ll be waiting for the 2020 MBP instead, which should have Ice Lake 10nm chips. In addition to expected efficiency gains, it’ll also feature in-silicon mitigations for Spectre and Meltdown.
1. 10nm Intel CPUs.
2. 16”+ MBP.
3. Nvidia dGPUs (never happening).
If the 16.5” rumors don’t pan out this year, then I’ll be waiting for the 2020 MBP instead, which should have Ice Lake 10nm chips. In addition to expected efficiency gains, it’ll also feature in-silicon mitigations for Spectre and Meltdown.
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but are we expecting an update to the non-touch bar MacBook Pro? I have a 2017 non-touch bar MacBook Pro and it's still great, but just wondering if it will ever get updated, since it's been almost 2 years since it was updated.
Highly doubt it. That unit was like a new Macbook Air, Apple even said so.
Now you have new retina MB Air. So upgrading that MBP would probably kill MB Air sales, since ntMBP is way more powerful then MB Air.
So either move to touchbar (...) MBP, or get a Air
no one really knows at this point, it will either be updated, likely alongside the 12" MacBook, and that could be anytime from this month (via press release) or just be discontinued in favour of the new MacBook Air (there was a rumour of an i7 variant of the Air upcoming so perhaps they will add that and drop the Pro?).
Read the post by @danwells a couple above yours. If Apple continues to make the laptops so thin that they're designed into a thermal corner, you'll never see that actually see extra power in real world use anyway.
I think that break up was so bad the neighbors are still talking about when they called the cops. So I think the probability of Apple using Nvidia is low.
But if they did, I would love it. I do machine learning and that means Nvidia GPUs only.