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Many hope that Apple will dump the MF'ing butterfly keyboard. Some hope Apple would resurrect the 2012-2015 MBP design with updated internals & TB3.

At this point I don't know what to expect. With rumored A-series processors coming to Macs, I don't know if Apple will stall any further hardware updates until the processor change is ready to roll out.

What I do know is Apple has do something! The lowest end MBPs and the lowly MacBook are coming up on 2-years-old. And still being sold at the same prices! The product line is stale. It feels like changes are coming though. But if there are no changes and no indication that changes are afoot (i.e. moving to A-series processors but first starting with dev previews of macOS on A-series hardware) someone needs to grab the executive team by their necks and ask them WTF they're doing.
 
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They gave MBP development to monkeys a few years ago.

The don't leak anything, can't think of any downsides really, it's all win win for MBP development.
 
Yes you did.
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Why do you make up such information?
If this was 1992, you probably could ask a question like that, but seriously have no excuse in 2019 when there these things called Search engines. Look for yourself.
 
Wouldn't all of those processors be more suitable for the MacBook and MacBook Air, not necessarily the MBP? I didn't see anything with a TDP higher than 15 on that leak. Or is the thinking that the higher TDP chips will also be released around the same time?
The second one. We could expect a launch of the whole Ice Lake U chip series at the same time and these are the first details leaked about them.

Besides, these 15W chips wouldn’t be suitable either for the MacBook nor the MacBook Air as Apple is using lower TDP chips on both laptop models.
 
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Apple could still use 15W Ice Lake chips in Macbook Air since it's actively cooled unlike Macbook.
I am more interested in the improvements that the new Sunny Cove architecture brings instead of just the more number of cores in the Coffee Lake Refresh or Comet Lake.


The second one. We could expect a launch of the whole Ice Lake U chip series at the same time and these are the first details leaked about them.

Besides, these 15W chips wouldn’t be suitable either for the MacBook nor the MacBook Air as Apple is using lower TDP chips on both laptop models.
 
Many hope that Apple will dump the MF'ing butterfly keyboard. Some hope Apple would resurrect the 2012-2015 MBP design with updated internals & TB3.

At this point I don't know what to expect. With rumored A-series processors coming to Macs, I don't know if Apple will stall any further hardware updates until the processor change is ready to roll out.

What I do know is Apple has do something! The lowest end MBPs and the lowly MacBook are coming up on 2-years-old. And still being sold at the same prices! The product line is stale. It feels like changes are coming though. But if there are no changes and no indication that changes are afoot (i.e. moving to A-series processors but first starting with dev previews of macOS on A-series hardware) someone needs to grab the executive team by their necks and ask them WTF they're doing.
I agree about the keyboard, but I generally think Apple is on a good track with the Mac again since a while, and is remedying many mistakes they made with it. The Mac mini got exactly the type of upgrade that many (especially professionals for who the iMac Pro was a little too much) have been waiting for, and the MBA redesign and the 2018 MBP refresh were also both pretty good, except for the half-baked keyboard "fix" that barely fixed anything. This year's iMac update was also great – a redesign is way overdue here, yes, but the updated internals are a big jump and even the thermal situation turned out significantly better than many people expected. Externally, they'll probably look outdated in a year or two when Apple finally brings their battle against bezels to the Mac-front aswell, but internally, they are capable, future-proof machines for many years to come.

The nonTB 13" MBP will probably be phased out in favor of the new MBA, so I don't think we should use its' updates (or lack thereof) as a metric for Apple's plans with the Mac. The target audience of the new MBA doesn't really care that it's maybe 10 percent slower than the nonTB MBP, and other than that, the MBA is ahead of it in almost every area. Having both of them in the lineup and upgraded regularly would just be unnecessary redundancy; it makes sense for them to simplify their lineup by only focusing on one of the two. The general consensus is that there wasn't supposed to be a new MBA and that the nonTB MBP was intended as its' replacement (even Apple said so themselves I think), but when they realized how much many people wanted a new laptop under the MBA branding, they quickly changed their plans and suddenly, there wasn't a need for the nonTB MBP anymore.

What concerns me more is the lack of updates to the MacBook, on that point I agree with you, especially since a not insignificant chip upgrade (Amberlake) would already be already available for them since several months. I think the MacBook fulfills the important role of being the best Mac for people who value portability above all else, which none of the other MacBook Pro/Air models are quite ready to replace yet (nor should they). My guess is that either Apple is neglecting this machine in favor of other, more heavily requested Mac updates like the Mac Pro (which doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be any upgrades to it at all, but they may go down the path of the last iMac update and only refresh the MacBook on every second or so chip release), or that they have a significant redesign for it in the works that is just taking longer (possibly, but not necessarily ARM-related).

Either way, even without a MacBook refresh this year, is seems like this will be an exciting year for the Mac. The new Mac Pro and the 31.3" display, the redesigned 16" MacBook Pro, all the strongly rumored features for macOS including the second step of their big Marzipan project, the rumored professional-grade over-ear headphones, who knows what else... personally, I think that 2018 was already one of the strongest years for the Mac in recent history, but 2019 has the potential to exceed that once again. As long as they finally give us a more reliably keyboard, at least.
 
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Apple could still use 15W Ice Lake chips in Macbook Air since it's actively cooled unlike Macbook.
I am more interested in the improvements that the new Sunny Cove architecture brings instead of just the more number of cores in the Coffee Lake Refresh or Comet Lake.
I don't think so because the modified Y chip on the MacBook Air runs at 7W if I recall correctly. So despite the use of active cooling on the new MBA design (more than) doubling from 7W up to 15W power consumption isn't going to be possible with that thermal design.
 
I don't think so because the modified Y chip on the MacBook Air runs at 7W if I recall correctly. So despite the use of active cooling on the new MBA design (more than) doubling from 7W up to 15W power consumption isn't going to be possible with that thermal design.

The Air used 15W chips in the past and there is no reason they can’t do so again in the future with 10nm chips.

There are laptops even more compact than the Air which handle current gen 15W chips which being 14nm run hotter, very well from personal experience.

This points to the MBA really being a 13”
MB, maybe they are worried about cannibalising 13” MBP sales? Who knows.
 
The Air used 15W chips in the past and there is no reason they can’t do so again in the future with 10nm chips.

There are laptops even more compact than the Air which handle current gen 15W chips

It doesn't matter if they are 10nm or 2nm if they are 15W they can't fit in a body thermally designed for half the power. Neither it matters if there are other laptops more compact. The only thing that matters is the actual current thermal design of the MBA.
 
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I was talking about improvements which the Ice Lake chips would bring either in Macbook Pro or Air along with the new gen 11 GPU . Those seem to be worth the wait (..though it's been a long wait from Intel)

It doesn't matter if they are 10nm or 2nm if they are 15W they can't fit in a body thermally designed for half the power. Neither it matters if there are other laptops more compact. The only thing that matters is the actual current thermal design of the MBA.
 
The Air used 15W chips in the past and there is no reason they can’t do so again in the future with 10nm chips.

There are laptops even more compact than the Air which handle current gen 15W chips which being 14nm run hotter, very well from personal experience.

This points to the MBA really being a 13”
MB, maybe they are worried about cannibalising 13” MBP sales? Who knows.
A CPU with a higher TDP doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a better CPU.

The CPU on the Air is fast enough for people that don’t need sustained performance (the non-Touch Bar pro doesn’t offer good sustained performance as well) while producing less heat and being more efficient. It probably costs the same or more than the 15w CPU on the old nonTB pro. The speed difference between the 2018 MBA and the nonTB MBP is negligible for a majority of the people the chip is aimed at (10% or less, if I remember correctly), and if you want a quad core 13" laptop with macOS then there's already the 2018 MBPs.

Apple chose a 7w CPU because it means that the machine runs cooler, that it runs more silent (even during CPU-intensive tasks, the single fan is barely audible, from what I've read, which can't be said about the 13" MBPs), and maybe most importantly, because it means a longer battery life. The MBA lasts up to 12 hours, up to 2 hours more than any MBP. These 2 hours are going to matter a lot more to the target audience of the machine than a measly 10% performance difference. The 2018 MBA has its' flaws, but I don't think the choice of CPU is one of them.

I'm not sure how to the switch to 10nm is going to affect any of that; if anything, I think the move to 10nm would reinforce Apple's choice to fit the MBA with a 7w chip because 7w chips should be significantly more powerful by then than they are now. But alas, who knows what year we'll have by then, and if the ARM switch isn't already happening at that point.
 
I’m guessing that a lot of these chips will be ready for July? Apple last updated the MacBook Pro in July of last year. If they kept in line of updating the MacBook Pro every year, there would need to be an update either in June or July!

I’ve got my fingers, toes, and just about everything else crossed that they fix the keyboard!
 
Guillhermo Rambo on the latest Stack Trace podcast said that the new 16" macbook pro will have keyboards similar to the magickeyboard 2, will retain the touchbar, but have a physical escape key. Hoping more tidbits come out regarding ports and features.
That would be awesome.
 
Guillhermo Rambo on the latest Stack Trace podcast said that the new 16" macbook pro will have keyboards similar to the magickeyboard 2, will retain the touchbar, but have a physical escape key. Hoping more tidbits come out regarding ports and features.
did he say when?
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If this was 1992, you probably could ask a question like that, but seriously have no excuse in 2019 when there these things called Search engines. Look for yourself.
in his defense. there is no 10nm on the roadmap in 2021 or at all for the H series chips suitable for the MBP so what you wrote did look "made up".
 
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Guillhermo Rambo on the latest Stack Trace podcast said that the new 16" macbook pro will have keyboards similar to the magickeyboard 2, will retain the touchbar, but have a physical escape key. Hoping more tidbits come out regarding ports and features.

So it’s basically confirmed that’s the 16 incher is coming this year?
 
A CPU with a higher TDP doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a better CPU.

The CPU on the Air is fast enough for people that don’t need sustained performance (the non-Touch Bar pro doesn’t offer good sustained performance as well) while producing less heat and being more efficient. It probably costs the same or more than the 15w CPU on the old nonTB pro. The speed difference between the 2018 MBA and the nonTB MBP is negligible for a majority of the people the chip is aimed at (10% or less, if I remember correctly), and if you want a quad core 13" laptop with macOS then there's already the 2018 MBPs.

Apple chose a 7w CPU because it means that the machine runs cooler, that it runs more silent (even during CPU-intensive tasks, the single fan is barely audible, from what I've read, which can't be said about the 13" MBPs), and maybe most importantly, because it means a longer battery life. The MBA lasts up to 12 hours, up to 2 hours more than any MBP. These 2 hours are going to matter a lot more to the target audience of the machine than a measly 10% performance difference. The 2018 MBA has its' flaws, but I don't think the choice of CPU is one of them.

I'm not sure how to the switch to 10nm is going to affect any of that; if anything, I think the move to 10nm would reinforce Apple's choice to fit the MBA with a 7w chip because 7w chips should be significantly more powerful by then than they are now. But alas, who knows what year we'll have by then, and if the ARM switch isn't already happening at that point.

I owned both the new Air and the 13” MBP, the Air gets hot and noisy under load. The battery life on the new Air is nothing to write home about either, as others have also experienced. My move to the MBP had me worried about worse battery life but any difference is minimal. This is 28W vs 15W too, only thing I miss of the Air is no Touch Bar.

I would say the new Air was noticeably slower than the nTB I owned in 2017 - I do dev tasks so CPU performance is noticeable. All these 10% figures are probably synthetic benchmarks.
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It doesn't matter if they are 10nm or 2nm if they are 15W they can't fit in a body thermally designed for half the power. Neither it matters if there are other laptops more compact. The only thing that matters is the actual current thermal design of the MBA.
But they can... That is the point... There is nothing special about the new Air body which would make it unable to handle a 15W CPU with the relevant fan, the body is more than big enough to accommodate it.

The 7W decision was, in my view, to keep the nTB relevant and stop a lot of users (including me) buying it over the MBP.
 
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