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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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About what exactly? Repair program? Right now people are taking advantage of warranty, as it turns out 3rd gen butterfly mechanism isn’t any better than previous one, so why would they keep it? Every replaced top case is additional cost for Apple. Why would they continue shipping it?
The same reason they continued to ship the computers with the keyboard after 2016........ I don’t know what the reason is but this has gone on for 3 years now. If there is no major redesign they won’t be major changes to the keyboard.
Need to replace Macbook Pro (Early 2011, ) with SSD. ASAP. Are there speculations on schedule? Doy you think it wil be released/showed on WWDC's Keynote in June or a month later?
I wish edge-to-edge display but I think we have to wait. One more year.
Last MBP redesigns were in 2008 (Alu), 2012 (Retina), 2016 (Touch Bar). Avg every 4 years.
I wish edge-to-edge display but I think we have to wait. One more year.
Last MBP redesigns were in 2008 (Alu), 2012 (Retina), 2016 (Touch Bar). Avg every 4 years.
Actually, it's 4 years already. First butterfly keyboard was shipped with 2015 MB 12".
Honestly, this whole „When to upgrade“ discussion is quite simple:
When you need it and preferably close after the release of a new gen.
2015 was the last version with ports and classic keyboards.
2016 has been a complete redesign with way better displays and higher portability.
2017 was kinda meh, not gonna lie. Little bit of clock speed and better hardware acceleration for videos.
2018 had 2 extra cores, that‘s a huge performance boost. Plus less ****** keyboard. Plus stronger GPUs on the 15“.
2019 seems to be a smaller redesign, but still a redesign. Reduced bezels, larger screens, maybe keyboard...
2020 is going to be the first one with 10 nm CPUs and way better iGPU on the 13“. 15“ will probably get 7 nm GPUs.
As you see, most generations have significant improvements. There is no point in waiting for the perfect gen.
When you need it and preferably close after the release of a new gen.
2015 was the last version with ports and classic keyboards.
2016 has been a complete redesign with way better displays and higher portability.
2017 was kinda meh, not gonna lie. Little bit of clock speed and better hardware acceleration for videos.
2018 had 2 extra cores, that‘s a huge performance boost. Plus less ****** keyboard. Plus stronger GPUs on the 15“.
2019 seems to be a smaller redesign, but still a redesign. Reduced bezels, larger screens, maybe keyboard...
2020 is going to be the first one with 10 nm CPUs and way better iGPU on the 13“. 15“ will probably get 7 nm GPUs.
As you see, most generations have significant improvements. There is no point in waiting for the perfect gen.
Everyone has different preferences. For me for example in iPhones: I bought only these because...
3GS: Touch Screen, GPS/Maps, Apps
4: Retina Display
6+ Bigger Screen
X: edge-to-edge display
2019 doesn’t seem like a redosing is coming except for the rumored 16” MBP and maybe a new 4th gen butterfly keyboard.
2020 could be the second one with 10nm CPUs as Ice Lake U chips are expected to launch for this 2019 summer. It has to be seen is if GT3 chips will come in 10nm Ice Lake or in 14nm Comet Lake flavor. However they are more likely to come in 10nm as the leaked specifications for the upcoming 10th gen Intel Core U chips show that only the 10nm Ice Lake ones have the new Gen 11 graphics with up to 64 EU compared to the 14nm Comet Lake ones which only have Gen 9.5 graphics with 24 EU same as current Gen 9.5 Intel UHD Graphics 620 and UHD Graphics 630. So we could have a 10nm based CPU in the 2019 13” MBP.
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Why not? We already have the AMD 7nm gaming GPU for desktop. It’s a matter of time that we will see it in a mobile version and this far from next year I don’t think we can really tell yet if they will or won’t launch such version in 2020.
If they're going to do any redesigning at all (and I tend to think they will), I can almost guarantee a different keyboard.I think a new version of the butterfly is very likely (to some people, that might count as "same keyboard") - but they'll take a crack at it...
I’ve got a 2009 15” MBP, and it’s got a battery that’s about dead, an SSD in place of the SuperDrive, and a couple of RAM upgrades, but it’s so slow and unreliable I’ve been on a 9.7” iPad Pro for about 18 months. I’m so ready to move back to Mac OS, and a new MacBook Pro can’t come out soon enough for me.
--I honestly can't see apple going to a 16"... that is simply huge, the 15" is huge and not that portable....but again, that is only my humble opinion.... I could see them doing a beselesss 14" perhaps or 15, but not a 16....
What are you talking about? They used to do a 17” model and it was twice as thick as the latest models, with large bezels. I loved it and would buy a modern 17” in a heartbeat. 15” is definitely not “huge” to me.
The 16” MBP might not be physically larger than the current 15”, though. A lot of people speculate that they’ll declare war against bezels and increase the screen size by reducing the bezel and chin size like they did with the iPhones, iPads, AWs... the current MBP is 15.4” already, it’s very feasible that this could be bumped another 0.6-1.0” or so by doing that.
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I agree that I don't think there will be a redesigned keyboard (I don't consider more tweaking of the existing design a la 2018 a "redesign"). As for the reason? I suspect it's because Apple has run the numbers and they still make plenty of profit even accounting for the cost of the repair/replace program. A redesign may well be quite expensive (it trickles down into the manufacturing and sourcing), and they need to ship this keyboard another year at least in order to amortize the costs.
The only way to change Apple's calculus is to make the keyboard more costly to them -- that is the point of all the online complaints, class action law suits, and so on. If Butterflygate gets enough traction, the damage to Apple's reputation may be enough to force an earlier redesign. But somewhat to my surprise, the utter failure of these keyboards has not become a major mainstream story; somehow Apple has managed to basically ignore it and carry on business as usual. At this point, there's not enough time to ship a redesigned version till next year at the earliest, so anyone who buys this year's MBPs will have to be prepared for failed keyboards and (possibly) expensive repairs.
I'm pretty sure we've already reached that tipping point where it's become such a widely covered and recognised issue they're going to want to move on as quickly as they can. Loads of publications even outside the usual Youtube tech channels now have pieces on it. What it gets replaced with is anyone's guess, but if they are redesigning even modestly, it's likely to be a significant enough change this time to decisively put this issue to rest either way.
after having a 15" since 2016(new model) I disagree with that. Id love a 17 now with smaller bezels and they can still slim down the screen and speaker grills to make it not much bigger than the current 15".
I had a 2012 13" before this and never felt like the 15" was huge or not portable.
The 15" is as light as my old 13" was and is much thinner. Fits in any backpack I have and I cary It around one hand no problem.
I'm waiting for the 2019 but i suspect it will be a CPU refresh of the 2018 model and little else.
My confidence in Apple actually fixing the macbook pro line before it is phased out and we are running iPads as thin clients for cloud apps and cloud development (or jumping platform) is running thin.
If Apple can make the iPad Pro reliably keep applications (like ssh client) running in the background if required, then the requirement for me to have a laptop is becoming less and less.
Maybe that's their game plan. Balancing act between annoying macbook owners enough into jumping ship to the ipad because it's almost as powerful as their current "pro" machines at 1/3 the price - and annoying them too much so they abandon the company entirely.
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Why did they double-down on the stupid design when the problem was evident in 2015 with the 12" macbook? Its 4 years and no fix, so what makes anyone think they'll suddenly wake up now?
Apple do dumb stuff and lately seem bull-headed enough to deny there's a problem and just carry on.
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Unless they come out and officially acknowledge what they've done to fix it, and what the root cause was, any confidence in the new hardware they replace it with will be minimal until it is proven reliable.
Right now, we are 4 years in with an official repair program (finally, after 2-3 years of making users pay for out of warranty repairs) for the old devices, a new design with some not-officially-redesigned-to-fix membrane in it (that doesn't fix the issue anyway) and no admission that "oh actually this design is inherently bad".
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So at WWDC we can expect that 16.5" MBP redesign with Vega+10nm Intel inside
"Intel told its investors today that it is finally ready to ship 10-nanometer ‘Ice Lake’ mobile CPUs next month"
"Intel told its investors today that it is finally ready to ship 10-nanometer ‘Ice Lake’ mobile CPUs next month"
There will be no 10nm CPU on the 2019 15.4” MBP nor the rumored 16” MBP on 2019.
The new Intel 9th gen Core H CPUs suitable for the bigger MBPs are already out and they’re 14nm.
10nm Ice Lake CPUs may only come for the 13” this year but it’s not sure yet as we haven’t heard of any leaked 28W Core U CPU model suitable for the 13” MBP.
I recommend you read my previous post on what to expect for the 2019 15” MBP: (link)