You just said that the new Air gets hot with a 7W chip and then you say that they can fit a 15W in it.
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Yeah I don't believe this is more than just hearsay based on the original reporting of the device.
Regarding your first point: I'm with @Aquamite here, if you think that the Air already gets hot and noisy with a 7w CPU, then it seems a little contradictory to me that you want to put in a CPU instead that, at base clock speeds, on average produces more than twice as much heat (15w TDP).
With battery life it's basically the same story: if you think that the battery life of the MBA is nothing to "write home about", then you hopefully realize that putting a CPU with more than twice the wattage into the small MBA form factor would reduce its' battery life by at least 1-2, maybe 3 or more hours, which would probably put it below the MBP line in terms of battery life.
From what I've read the MBA rarely ever hits the advertised 12 hours of battery life, so I kinda agree with you on that. Then again, the MBPs rarely ever hit their advertised 10 hours of battery life either, and from the comparisons I've read, the MBA still sits 1-2 hours above the MBP in terms of battery life in many everyday tasks. If you use it for CPU-heavy programming tasks, then the difference may be minimal, but considering the machine is aimed more at the average user who uses it for web browsing, watching videos, word editing and the like and not so much CPU-heavy tasks, I think the weaker (but also more efficient) CPU that results in 1-2 more hours of battery life than the MBP line with many tasks was the right choice here.
In all fairness, the CPU comparisons I've read were mostly from benchmarks and the like, so you may not be wrong about that. But most reviews I've read still come to the conclusion that it's a reasonably fast machine for the tasks and things it's made for. If it was too slow for you because you run a lot of CPU-intensive tasks on it, then the truth is that it's just not the right machine for you, that you are not in the target audience and Apple wants you to go with a MBP instead. If your current MBP suits your tasks better then I'm happy for you.
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I believe there was a rumour for the 13" alongside the 16" - but it was just that it would get a 32GB RAM option.
It doesn't seem like it would make a lot of design sense to make one of the pro line variants bezel-less and not the other. I've gotta believe if the 15 grows in size with the loss of bezels that so will the 13. However, it's not like Apple's product line makes a whole of sense anyhow. Also wouldn't be the first time it's happened. If I recall correctly, one of the selling points of the 17" G4 Powerbook for me was the fact that it had the illuminated keyboard and the other smaller models did not, but I could be wrong.
Not only that but the 13" Retina Pro debuted some months after the 15" retina was introduced so it's definitely not unheard of. Particularly if the new design is phased in from the top end again like the retina generation was... that would basically mean this year we get 2019 touchbar models (13 and 15 inch sizes) alongside an early release of a new design 16" and then next year we get the new design across the whole lineup.
If they introduce a 16" model AND keep the 15 my head may explode.
I feel you, especially if they keep 13 and 15 with the same f-ed up keyboard, just like they kept old non-touchbar MPB with 2nd gen butterfly mechanism.
Logic tells me we won’t that step this year but I could be wrong. The new 9th gen H chips for the 15” MBP don’t have any difference concerning the system memory specifications. So I wouldn’t expect the new U chips to have any novelty in this regard... unless they are 10th gen chips having a totally different architecture that provides the low power ram interface LPDDR4 with more system RAM support and stuff.
We will see...
I don't think they will keep the 15" model - just think it might be like the 2012 model year where there were cMBP and rMBP models on offer. Naturally the year after the whole lineup went over to the retina design (and the 13" retina was introduced too).
Ordinarily I'd agree, but that's the tidbit we got from the Rumour...
It reminded me why I don't usually listen to podcasts. Barely any information, spread over one hour of rambling, with one guy nicely in front of the mic and the other barely audible. Way to go! The best thing was that it was presented by Rambo...
I understand the feeling. But looking at Apple's product lineup these days makes my head explode already. Nothing makes sense, and it's as if Apple has drifted back to the dark days of the 1990s: a giant product matrix full of overlapping categories, none of which serves the supposed target audience without huge compromises.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure I'd agree. There are undoubtedly some areas of Apple's current product lineup that could use some streamlining/cleaning up – such as that the nonTB MBP and the 2018 MBA are way too similar, I expect the former to be discontinued in favor of the later eventually –, but generally, the amount of choice we have in pretty much all of Apple's product categories today is great. Steve Jobs always wanted to keep the lineup simple, but the downside to that was that users weren't given an awful lot of options to choose from, and if you didn't happen to fall into his one-size-fits-all mindset then you were usually out of luck and had to make compromises.
There is his infamous 2x2 product quadrant that shows this very well: if you could answer the questions "Consumer or Professional?" and "Portable or Desktop?" without hesitation, then great! You knew exactly which Mac was for you. But if you fell somewhere in-between on either of the two, or even wanted something outside of the table entirely, then Apple didn't have a Mac that was made for you, and you had to prioritize what you wanted the most.
Today, if you just want a sleek, mid-range, decently portable laptop with macOS for some average, everyday tasks and works that don't demand too much performance, then the MacBook Air is the laptop you're looking for. If you value portability above all else and are willing to make sacrifices in terms of performance, then the 12" MacBook is the machine for you. If neither of these is enough for you and you need more performance or generally higher specs that the other two don't offer, then you're looking for the MacBook Pro. If that's the case, then you still have the sub-choice of whether you want the most portability (13" screen) or the most performance and the largest screen (15"), plus you have a lot of individual specs to choose from. The lineup isn't perfect, but for the most part it makes a lot of sense to me, and it definitely offers more choice to people who don't fall exactly into these very binary pillars.
And you can see very similar tendencies is the rest of Apple's product lineup. If the one single iPhone that was released every year under Jobs suited your needs perfectly: great for you! You knew exactly which iPhone to buy. Otherwise, tough luck. Now we've reached a point where we get 3 new iPhones per year (and where the iPhones from the last 2-3 years are also still excellent options). Personally I prefer not knowing which product to choose because there are too many that would suit me well, rather than because there are none that would suit me well.
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Really hoping that doesn't happen. Apple needs to simplify their product line.
My hope is that the 16" will replace what is now the 15" and will offer performance, battery life and a killer screen to make it more competitive with the high end Windows laptops. Make something that can be a real powerhouse for professionals.
I remember before the 2016 redesign was announced, there was rumors that Apple was going to squeeze down the bezels in order to fit a 14" screen in the 13" frame and a 16" screen in the 15" frame. Part of me wonders if that rumor will turn out true for this round. We've focussed a lot on the 16" MacBook Pro but what if the 13" model is also getting a bigger screen?
Either way, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what's coming. I've been an Apple customer for many years and I've never had to send in a product for service until I bought this current generation of MacBook Pro. My 2016 had a glitchy screen and a few stuck keys. My 2017 had a blown speaker. Before all this, I had a 13" from 2013 that I bought used and that thing was a tank. I need that level of reliability again.
The playbook is clear: Establish new, higher price tiers, and keep old or old-styled stuff at the price it already was.
MacBook Pro X (16")
Just look at AirPods 2. Under normal circumstances, the wireless-capable charging case would simply have been a default feature of the new product. Now, it's a new price tier. AirPods 2 ($160) and AirPods 2 X ($200).
MacBook Pro X (16")
Just look at AirPods 2. Under normal circumstances, the wireless-capable charging case would simply have been a default feature of the new product. Now, it's a new price tier. AirPods 2 ($160) and AirPods 2 X ($200).
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They did the same with iPads. Air 2 came with a fully laminated display and anti-reflective coating and then they were like: "wait, why are we giving such features to regular users if we can use PRO in its name and charge them $200 more!" And then they released iPad (2017) with older display technology and iPad PRO with 2 more speakers, Apple Pencil support and, of course, higher price.
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I could potentially see that, which would probably put the Pro firmly outside the price I'd be willing to pay not really needing a high performance notebook, though if it opens up the possibility of a cheaper 'MacBook' based on the 15" Pro, then that's something that could interest me. I'm imagining cheaper on the basis that it would use something like the i5-8559U rather than the i7-8750H, start at 8GB RAM, a slightly slower SSD and non P3 display (similar feature cuts to the iPad Air over the 10.5" Pro). If it started around the $1,599 price mark and you could get a 1TB model for approx $1,999 (plus a corrected keyboard) I think I'd be pretty pleased with that.
Hey all --
(Was going to start a new thread but figured I would pile onto this thread)
Looking for a discussion on understanding the current power of my MacBook Pro. I recently bought a 2018/2.2/i7/16gb/512gb/560x and found the drive not big enough so I returned it for (all they had at the time) a 2018/i9/2.9/32gb/1tb/vega20. I quickly found out that the $4k price tag for the i9 wasn't nowhere worth what I got and promptly returned it the next day. Being so close to a release of some new MBPs, I decided to just wait a couple of months and see what Apple releases. In the meantime, I'd like to understand what I really have so that I (and others) can accurately compare what they have to what is coming out in the next few months.
My current laptop is a mid-2012 MBP 4 Cores, 8 Threads @ 2.6 GHz, 16gb, 1tb ssd. Cinebench reports this machine as having a Intel Core i7-3720QM CPU.
Since intel has been having hard time with heat and clock speed, it appears that they're going wide and not tall these days. By that I mean, instead of going upward much in clock speeds like 5, 6, 7 GHz they're adding more cores (going wide). Then these benchmarks have numbers that go up based on something having the ability to use all those cores.
When I got that 2018 2.2 GHz MBP with 6 cores, it was a nice machine and I would have kept it but 512gb just wasn't enough space. Processing power though, I felt like it wasn't much faster than my 2012 quad core 2.6 that gives me 8 threads. I sort of felt like I didn't gain much with the 2018 2.2 compared with my 2012 2.6 other than its a lot easier to move around since it weighs a lot less. I also had a hard time spending ~$2500 for something that has similar processing power but just weighs a lot less. So I paid $2500 to shave off a good amount of weight but didn't gain a ton in power? Seems like a very over-priced upgrade.
I don't know.. I know the new laptops are indeed better if you had to be binary about it, but how much better is hard for me to say that they're "a lot better and I should absolutely upgrade". Then when you add in all the issues with the thin design being able to get the heat out of the chassis and the keyboard problems (even in the 2018) I'm having a real hard time justifying spending my money on a 2018. I guess I am hoping that the new MBPs that come out this summer will close the door on some of these issues and then it will become a no-brainer for me.
Has anyone else had this struggle? Sorry for the long post, was just looking for some discussion around justifying the money for an upgrade.
-Allistah
(Was going to start a new thread but figured I would pile onto this thread)
Looking for a discussion on understanding the current power of my MacBook Pro. I recently bought a 2018/2.2/i7/16gb/512gb/560x and found the drive not big enough so I returned it for (all they had at the time) a 2018/i9/2.9/32gb/1tb/vega20. I quickly found out that the $4k price tag for the i9 wasn't nowhere worth what I got and promptly returned it the next day. Being so close to a release of some new MBPs, I decided to just wait a couple of months and see what Apple releases. In the meantime, I'd like to understand what I really have so that I (and others) can accurately compare what they have to what is coming out in the next few months.
My current laptop is a mid-2012 MBP 4 Cores, 8 Threads @ 2.6 GHz, 16gb, 1tb ssd. Cinebench reports this machine as having a Intel Core i7-3720QM CPU.
Since intel has been having hard time with heat and clock speed, it appears that they're going wide and not tall these days. By that I mean, instead of going upward much in clock speeds like 5, 6, 7 GHz they're adding more cores (going wide). Then these benchmarks have numbers that go up based on something having the ability to use all those cores.
When I got that 2018 2.2 GHz MBP with 6 cores, it was a nice machine and I would have kept it but 512gb just wasn't enough space. Processing power though, I felt like it wasn't much faster than my 2012 quad core 2.6 that gives me 8 threads. I sort of felt like I didn't gain much with the 2018 2.2 compared with my 2012 2.6 other than its a lot easier to move around since it weighs a lot less. I also had a hard time spending ~$2500 for something that has similar processing power but just weighs a lot less. So I paid $2500 to shave off a good amount of weight but didn't gain a ton in power? Seems like a very over-priced upgrade.
I don't know.. I know the new laptops are indeed better if you had to be binary about it, but how much better is hard for me to say that they're "a lot better and I should absolutely upgrade". Then when you add in all the issues with the thin design being able to get the heat out of the chassis and the keyboard problems (even in the 2018) I'm having a real hard time justifying spending my money on a 2018. I guess I am hoping that the new MBPs that come out this summer will close the door on some of these issues and then it will become a no-brainer for me.
Has anyone else had this struggle? Sorry for the long post, was just looking for some discussion around justifying the money for an upgrade.
-Allistah
IMO whole MacBook family needs to be rethought. Instead of MacBook and MacBook Air we should have 12 and 13-inch versions of Air, non-TB MacBook Pro should be just called MacBook and, just like you said, it should be cheaper than Pro models.
In all fairness, what you're forgetting (or ignoring) is the 5th-gen iPad was also significantly cheaper than the iPad Air 2 at launch, so it makes sense that there are some compromises. They didn't remove features from an existing product as much as they just split up the up-until-then mid-tier iPad Air line into a more expensive high-tier option with all bells and whistles (the iPad Pro) and a much cheaper low-tier option with some sacrifices (the "iPad"); a move that made a lot of sense at the time since iPads had matured to a point where the "one-size-fits-all" approach left an increasingly large part of the customer base dissatisfied. Plus, the new iPad Air (2019) has all of these things and more, and sits at the exact price point as the iPad Air 2 did back in the days, so no higher price point here either.
I can totally see them raising the prices though with the new 16" MacBook Pro.
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I’m late to this thread but I’m waiting too. Sold my 2015 maxed out rMBP and I’m using an older one while I wait. Feels like Apple is so slow lately...
this all depends what you use them for. If you are using them for basic computing then you never see that much of a difference. But for me there is no way I could survive on a 2012 laptop - I barely could in 2012 !
In relation to everything else all I expect is as follows :
almost guaranteed
- Same chassis size
- Same keyboard as 2018
- updated CPU to 9th gen
- Vega 20 as standard
- prices will remain steady [except for currency fluctuations]
quite possible [based on rumours]
- reduced screen bezels only [4K screen?]
- 32gb option for 13"
major updates next year.
Same keyboard almost guaranteed? After all this mess and articles like the one by J. Stern on WSJ? It would make no sense, especially that they’ll have to include 2018 models in keyboard repair program this summer if they want to avoid class action lawsuits.