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ATP has become too snarky and cynical, and because of it, they lack the objectivity to give more insightful analysis. I still listen to them, but they are growing tiresome and are now wrong more often than they are right about what Apple is likely to do and why, and what is going to be successful. That's what happens when you color, subconsciously or not, your analysis to fit your mood, shtick, etc.

Best overall podcast is most anything with Jason Snell. He is objective, without being cynical or bitter, knows his stuff, and has thoughtful, interesting analysis with some humor sprinkled in.
I agree--Snell is always the most balanced.
 
I suppose you had to be in the audience to appreciate the conversation, and see some value in meeting these icons of the brand. I read the interview transcript elsewhere and was dumbfounded at how incoherent and meaningless the conversation was. Gruber is no Charlie Rose...
 
I suppose you had to be in the audience to appreciate the conversation, and see some value in meeting these icons of the brand. I read the interview transcript elsewhere and was dumbfounded at how incoherent and meaningless the conversation was. Gruber is no Charlie Rose...

Did he ever claim to be Charlie Rose? I think he does pretty darn good talking to 2 of the biggest icons in the most famous/coveted company on Earth, for a self-made internet media personality. I'd love to see you keep your composure like that and get access to Apple executives like that.
 
I've been assuming for some time, he'll be the next CEO. He's articulate, energetic, has the right delivery/timing for some of the cornball jokes, he recovers instantly from any flubs (his own, or technical). Look at this background: he worked with Jobs at Next, he's Berkeley educated with an MS/BS in CompSci/EE, he's got real technical chops combined with being a terrific showman.
I think he also took elocution lessons Forstall badly needed.

Ironically he looks at his feet while sitting like Steve did. Fix that!
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I think he also took elocution lessons Forstall badly needed.

Ironically he looks at his feet while sitting like Steve did. Fix that!

I think he would be a good backup CEO.
 
I'd like to see those replies if possible :)
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John is too scared to ask that question. He might get fired.
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Do you know who steve jobs is?

Yes, so many interesting questions went unanswered, e.g., what is happening with the airpod production line and when do you think they will get caught up? Do you ever see a breakthrough with Apple being able to offer a streaming package? Does the Mini have a future with Apple? etc., while we were forced to listen to "That new iMac screen is amazing, is that what you were trying to accomplish?" Is Safari as fast as it seems?
 
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Yes, so many interesting questions went unanswered, e.g., what is happening with the airpod production line and when do you think they will get caught up? Do you ever see a breakthrough with Apple being able to offer a streaming package? Does the Mini have a future with Apple? etc., while we were forced to listen to "That new iMac screen is amazing, is that what you were trying to accomplish?" Is Safari as fast as it seems?
I truly doubt high octane Apple executives would appear anywhere that might ask truly challenging questions. I am certain Apple PR has laid out boundaries for him every time he's done this.
 
I truly doubt high octane Apple executives would appear anywhere that might ask truly challenging questions. I am certain Apple PR has laid out boundaries for him every time he's done this.

Undoubtedly there are guidelines, and I am suggesting any type of aggressive questioning, but asking about airpods, etc., doesn't seem especially challenging. Moreover, at some point there's a trade off in terms of giving them a huge marketing opportunity, without getting much in the way of meaningful/interesting insight.
 
Undoubtedly there are guidelines, and I am suggesting any type of aggressive questioning, but asking about airpods, etc., doesn't seem especially challenging. Moreover, at some point there's a trade off in terms of giving them a huge marketing opportunity, without getting much in the way of meaningful/interesting insight.
Oh, I imagine he gets much more out of this than they do.
 
There's a serious fashion crisis at apple. You'd think after the hired the former CEO of Burberry they'd wear better fitting jeans, but no, they opt for the dad jeans.
 
[What he's saying is that Finder would be now 64-bit, a lot of the cobwebs would be programmed out, and as it's a Window, it is now rendered by Metal. That's a good indication.[/QUOTE]]

Finder has been 64-bit for sometime and he didn't say that its rendered by Metal. What I was saying about the bugs in Finder and Spotlight being kind of broken since Yosemite. I don't understand why it is taking so long to fix these two. I had reported these bugs two years ago and despite Apple engineers collected diagnostic data from my computer twice they didn't do anything. I have reported these bugs also while running betas and everything has fallen on deaf ears. I wish Craig can see it himself and kick these two teams. My faith in macOS has declined steadily since Apple has been refusing/tolerating bugs for years in macOS....

And about the new features, I don't understand why Preview can't support tabs. It's the application heavily used on Mac and still no tab support for it....
 
And about the new features, I don't understand why Preview can't support tabs. It's the application heavily used on Mac and still no tab support for it....
It does support tabs, because the tab behaviour comes from the system. Try opening multiple windows and go to Window > Merge all windows and they will be tabbed. That it does not use tabs more prominently or encourage it is because it has a sidebar already that can be used for multiple files/documents which allows things like merging PDFs and moving pages etc.. It’s clearly a conscious UX decision, probably to not employ two UI elements that kinda do the same.
 
I like Craig. He makes me sort of understand the deep techno talk and yet has a very approachable, friendly air about him. I appreciated the under the hood discussion (about things I barely understand) concerning the Macs and safari, as well the iPads. After years of iPad struggle, I finally think one might be viable for me with iOS 11. As far as the Macs, so great to hear healthy chatter about that. I wonder if we will hear about Mac Minis this fall (after back to school) and pro teases.

Nice to see Phil loosen up a bit too. Of all the Apple Senior execs, I still put him on mute (the hyperbole of marketing), but I can appreciate him being the butt of a light joke and letting Craig do the heavy lifting.

All that said, I prefer reading Gruber's comments over watching him.
 
There's a serious fashion crisis at apple. You'd think after the hired the former CEO of Burberry they'd wear better fitting jeans, but no, they opt for the dad jeans.

Firstly, they probably are 'dads' and secondly, they're computer nerds.
I'd rather they be true to who they are, rather than wearing designer clothes for the sake of being fashionable.
 
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ATP has become too snarky and cynical, and because of it, they lack the objectivity to give more insightful analysis. I still listen to them, but they are growing tiresome and are now wrong more often than they are right about what Apple is likely to do and why, and what is going to be successful. That's what happens when you color, subconsciously or not, your analysis to fit your mood, shtick, etc.

I still enjoy ATP, but I do see where you are coming from. The different personalities amuse me. It's funny that Mr Hypercritical, John Siracusa, is the reasonable one. Marco is famous for his waffling, even on his old blog posts: The 2011 15" MacBook Pro is awesome. I'm going MacBook Pro ONLY!. Two days later: this thing sucks. The Marco that once made his living from Instapaper is gone. The Yahoo money has clearly changed him and his approach.

Casey for me strikes me as the advocate for the listener. He is the closest in mindset to what I think the "average" listener goes through. I feel he speaks for all of us when he says, "I will be listening to you two talk about the Mac Pro for YEARS."

It is interesting watching Marco try and relate and talk about what is like to work in a company of more than a handful of people. It is fun listening to John tell him about how in corporate America you can't just order new machines on a whim, or have direct control of every aspect of your computer.

That said, yeah, a lot of times they go off on things and you go, "Really? You just spent an hour bitching about this?"

The podcasts I listen to almost immediately are these:
  • ATP
  • Core Intuition
  • Upgrade
  • Cortex
MacPower Users I also ignore, but sometimes the topic doesn't interest me. Connected also depends on the topic. I feel like they are closest to the every-day version of ATP.

Back to criticism of what questions Gruber didn't ask. I've interviewed a ton of people in previous jobs when I was a reporter for tech and video games. There's a line, obviously, where he can ask a question he knows they won't answer, or give a non-answer answer, "The Mac mini remains an important part of our lineup." He may score points with the audience, but since he only has 90 minutes with them, why blow a question on one they aren't going to give a good answer.

I did enjoy the back story of some of the challenges they faces and how to solve them. I also loved Craig calling out individual teams for praise.
 
I enjoyed the video. I really like hearing more about the processes they go through thinking about how they design and make stuff, even when I sometimes don't agree wtith their conclusions or direction.

I also liked the indication that more and more they are looking at things as keeping it simple for the average user but adding more power and granularity just beneath the surface for those users who want it - terms of both software and hardware. To me, that is the spirit of the Mac more than making a computer be an AIO almost just because that's what they've (nearly) always made.
 
He's too technical, not in a bad way, but in a good way. But I don't think he's CEO material.
Saying that, I don't know who I could see CEO of Apple, so maybe you might be right.
Schiller is the 'cool grandad' type figure.

Maybe Johny Ive?

Feddy is definitely one of my favourite people on stage, however.

I guess Jeff Williams could be their next CEO.
Federighi is cool, should run the keynote all by himself but I don't think he has chances to be the chairman of such a huge company.
 
I see. But for some pros like App devs, photographers etc, this machine will be awesome. And the Mac Pro is coming next year.
Lot of pro users would be more concern about extendability/upgradability than specs. Spec is great but they wouldnt throw away mac. Yes mac pro is coming....finally.
 
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