I checked out Footpath app a while go too. Unfortunately, the Watch module is subscription only so that's a no-go for me.
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WatchOS 9 beta... anyone try the new running features?
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Yes. But IMHO they have an okayish price model. One month or one year. As I seldom need navigation for runs (holidays, business travel) I assume 1-2 monthly fees would do for me.
But agreed: a onetime fee would be a great addition.
Disappointement with the race route feature for me too.
Did a run on Sunday and yesterday. Split it in three workouts: warmup, temporun, cooldown.
None of the routes appear on my watch.
I suspect the other routes on my watch only appear because I ran them before watchOS 9.2 was released. :-(
Did a run on Sunday and yesterday. Split it in three workouts: warmup, temporun, cooldown.
None of the routes appear on my watch.
I suspect the other routes on my watch only appear because I ran them before watchOS 9.2 was released. :-(
this could very well be the case for me as well. I did NOT have any qualifying race routes from pre-9.2, as I just switched to Apple Watch on December 3rd. My 3-4 routes that should normally qualify, were all done multiple times AFTER I upgraded to 9.2... (and to date my list is still empty!)
On the Apple discussion board, someone mentioned the same - that the only routes that are showing were all done pre-9.2. No new routes were added since then.
That's interesting. A few days ago, I specifically ran a certain route different from my usual ones and I plan to run that route again for the 2nd time maybe tomorrow. After that, I'll report back whether I see that route in my race route. Apple documents that race routes only show up after the route is run twice; let's see if that is true...
[Side note: your mention of Apple discussion board made me think back to the days when I was very active on those boards. This was before Apple messed up the whole system and made navigating and conversing on those boards very difficult. It's been many years since they moved over to the new system; maybe at least 5 or 6? More?]
Yes, please report. Maybe we can identify together how this blackbox works.
I checked my routes again and there has to be some sort of check if two routes are similar to a certain extent and then this algorithm decides if is offers the route or not.
In my list there is a 10km route and I do this route frequently with a slight variation. I only get it one time in the list, without the deviation.
Maybe this is also an explanation why my new route is not in there. This is made out of three segments of an existing race route. Would be stupid, but well.
When you say the route is in 3 segments, do you mean that each segment is marked as its own activity? For instance, your mental image of the route is this is ONE thing, but on the Watch each segment is its own "Outdoor run" activity. If that's the case, my guess is that the Watch will recognize that as 3 separate things and if the middle segment (the one you are "running" or "racing") is far from your starting point when you begin your workout, it won't show up as a race route. At least, that's my guess.
Yes, I recorded it as three workouts -> three files: 5km warmup from A to B, 4.2km round course (coming back to B), and 5km back home from B to A.
I also have the same route as one workout and that was in the list of race routes.
As I was curious, after I finished the round course for the second time, I immediately checked at position B (before recording workout #3) if the race routes have been updated (was offline, had no iPhone with me). Of course not, but was worth a try.
But what I saw, and what I tried again todo from a location far away from my race routes: as soon as you apply the filter for race routes, all race routes are available, no matter if the route is close or not. What is true though: in the unfiltered list, only race routes nearby are shown.
Well now that’s a very interesting find and curious behaviour!! Odd isn’t it, that the filtering and unfiltering would produce different race routes.
I’m hoping that Apple provides much more detailed documentation of the race route (and track detection). So far though, I do say I enjoy both features and feel like I can’t go back to not having it
I really especially love the track detection feature! It has actually helped me return to do more track training and re-discovering actually how much I do love training on the track.The unfiltered view does offer me two routes and I would love to understand why it is these two. Filtered view shows all the routes in my area.
Today, I ran my 3-part-route for the third time. Not appearing as a race route afterwards.
Tomorrow, I will run (not in race route mode) a route that is definitely on my watch. Will see if it is updated with new time later.
How about we rename this thread to "Apple training app: running - general thread" (or so) so that all the topics around the native Apple app can be placed there? Similar to the WorkoutDoors thread.
If renaming is not possible, we could also create a new thread.
If renaming is not possible, we could also create a new thread.
The thread is already a great place, but agree the title could be better now. This thread is my go-to place for Apple Watch running related stuff
@canyonblue737 do you have the ability to change the name of this thread or do we need help from an admin?
So I have a disappointing update so far. I ran a specific 3mile loop twice. I ran the first one a few days ago and the second one just yesterday afternoon. It’s now the following morning and I don’t see that route pop up as a race route
@NME42 , when your race routes did update, how soon after the run did it show up as a race route?
@NME42 , when your race routes did update, how soon after the run did it show up as a race route?
these two runs, were they pre-9.2 runs that just got updated? Did you ever succeed in adding a "new" run after 9.2 update?
Yes, I did them before 9.2.
And run 2 is two times there, I reported that. One instance was created after 9.2 the other is not even updating anymore.
Weird.
@msackey I have no new routes since 9.2. But I also did not run any *really* new ones so far. Will try that.
It may have been smarter for Apple to simply design the race route feature by allowing you to select from any previous runs that you have done. It can sort/order them by distance of closeness to your current starting point rather than use some supposed smart algorithm to determine when it will show you what is possible to race against.
I'm lost with this feature. I have a 6km route that shows up fine, but a 10km route that I've done 4 times with the standard fitness app that don't show up. I have absolutely no idea how to get these to show up as a selectable route.
That’s really disappointing. Maybe the attempt at a “smart” algorithm is just too much.
Not on the standard workout app. The routes pre watchOS9.2 were with a third party app (WorkOutDoors).
But I’m pretty sure I’ve done the 10km 3 times since 9.2.