iPhone 17 Weaker demand for Air and fold

[surferfb]

Outside is a better option for BT. But you think phone speakers are terrible on " every " phone? I asure you having tried both that the 17PM makes the Air sound like two tin cans connected by a string. 17Pm and the 16PM sounds like a small quality BT speaker.

I had the 16PM before the air, and my wife has the 17. The speakers on those phones are indeed bad. Yes, I fully admit they’re better than the Air’s speaker (although “two tin cans connected by string” is ridiculously hyperbolic - the speaker on the Air is more than fine for a phone speaker). But I honestly don’t understand how anyone listens to phone speakers regularly. Clearly lots of people do, but IMO it’s a terrible experience that could be easily and massively improved even with cheap bluetooth headphones or speakers.

As I wrote, I don’t think adding a second speaker would make much of a difference at all. There’s simply not enough physical space to make a meaningful difference, and I firmly believe most of the people on MacRumors screaming about lack of a second speaker wouldn’t be able to tell the difference had one been included. Maybe I’m wrong and you can come back next year and point out how much better the Air 2 sounds.

But strongly I suspect adding a second speaker will be like when Samsung would boast about its cameras’ huge megapixel numbers and still use a crappy image sensor. Just something to list on a spec sheet that actually doesn’t make a meaningful difference.

Is this bad satire?

My Air definitely has similar battery life to my wife's 16 Pro before she switched to the 17 Pro. Obviously different apps and usage patterns, and my Air was new and her 16 Pro was a year old, but the battery life was on par (if not a bit better) on the Air. I can't speak to the second part of his argument, but the first is absolutely true.

 

[cdsapplefan]

Because the risk is people don't buy it TODAY.

I feel the tech reviewers sayin that the battery life on the iPhone Air was not that good, steered a lot of people. Also the standard iPhone this year was too good of a bargain to pass up in the standard iPhone 17.

Next year only the Pro iPhones, Fold and possibly Air 2 will be released. The releases won’t be so crowded. We will really see if the Air 2 can do well without the Standard iPhone being in the lineup.

 

[mjpearce023]

Outside is a better option for BT. But you think phone speakers are terrible on " every " phone? I asure you having tried both that the 17PM makes the Air sound like two tin cans connected by a string. 17Pm and the 16PM sounds like a small quality BT speaker.

I’ve owned a wide range of quality BT speakers and all of them had much better sound quality than my iPad Pro with 4 speakers. Even the small clip on jbl will have better sound than any phone. There’s just no room to put a decent speaker in a phone.

 

[teohyc]

Here in Singapore, iPhone Air is now 11% off.

 

[klasma]

Here in Singapore, iPhone Air is now 11% off.

Around 17% off here in Europe.

 

[blairh]

Well for a brand new model why would Apple put everything in it and risk people not buying another one for 2-3 years or longer? Apple wants people to upgrade every year and they do surveys to find out what people really want. The Air 2 at a minimum will have a Longer battery 🔋 life and they maybe will add a another speaker and then the following year they will add another camera. Gradual improvements. It takes time with a new Product line. It took the iPhone years to get to where it is today.

You make the best iPhone you can today. You don't hold back features so that people will buy future models. That's ridiculous.

 

[Jackbequickly]

It is a bit early to think demand is weak for the Fold. Not being introduced yet, no way to tell. I am betting it will be popular. I like the Air and am impressed when i hold my friends new Air. Even with a super thin case/shell on it it is incredibly impressive to hold.

 

[bill-p]

Is this bad satire?

There’s a screenshot thread. Check for yourself.

We have been saying it all along: non-Air users like you are just bashing a phone you have never used or understood.

 

[klasma]

Around 17% off here in Europe.

And today I saw 22% off (940€ instead of 1200€).

 

[tomtad]

Around 17% off here in Europe.

If it gets down to the price of a regular 17 it might actually sell. I've got nothing against the concept of the Air just the fact you have to pay more of less features just doesn't wash.

Now if it's the same price you're choosing between thinner/bigger screen/less features, thicker/smaller screen/more features.

 

[klasma]

If it gets down to the price of a regular 17 it might actually sell.

It fell 10€ below the regular 17’s list price today, and street price for the latter is only 10-20€ less.

 

[mattopotamus]

If it gets down to the price of a regular 17 it might actually sell. I've got nothing against the concept of the Air just the fact you have to pay more of less features just doesn't wash.

Now if it's the same price you're choosing between thinner/bigger screen/less features, thicker/smaller screen/more features.

I do think it is odd how people do not consider the quality of the device a feature. It is hands down the most premium futuristic phone I have held. That should carry value outside of just a spec sheet. That is the mark a lot of people are missing.

 

[Kjabean]

This is so silly, I have both here, 17 pro and air.. the speaker does not sound like a tin can in comparison.. there is a little difference but either is ok for most things. What a bunch of hyperbole.

 

[Cyberguycpt]

I do think it is odd how people do not consider the quality of the device a feature. It is hands down the most premium futuristic phone I have held. That should carry value outside of just a spec sheet. That is the mark a lot of people are missing.

Also depends on what you want to future to look like. I can’t wait for an Apple Foldable device.

 

[ericgedi77]

MSN

This report says that production slow down for the air is false.

 

[klasma]

I do think it is odd how people do not consider the quality of the device a feature. It is hands down the most premium futuristic phone I have held. That should carry value outside of just a spec sheet. That is the mark a lot of people are missing.

People have different tastes. I don’t like glossy metal, I visually prefer matte aluminum over titanium, I find the camera bar ugly both in its shape and glassiness, and the camera too protruding at overall twice the thickness of the body. That the build quality is great doesn’t override those aspects.

 

[ipsedixit]

iPhone Air is this year's MacBook Touch Bar.

 

[cuzo]

There seems to be a massive disconnect between people who have used/own the Air and the rest of the internet. The biggest anti Air people are the ones that have never used one.

I have the Samsung version s25 edge and once you use the weight you won't be able to go back to those 230 gram iPhone max.

Just it's android and nothing beats the AW1 for the price and longitivtiy.

I am looking at the air myself.

 

[JPack]

MSN

This report says that production slow down for the air is false.

Mizuho, Nikkei, and Kuo are saying production cut. One lone voice saying no cut.

Reminds me of the report from a year ago predicting iPhone Air would be priced above Pro Max. Every other analyst said this would be a mid-tier device.

 

[CharlesShaw]

MSN

This report says that production slow down for the air is false.

If the dissenting voice is correct, that is going to disappoint a whole lot of currently delighted MR members.

 

[tomtad]

If the dissenting voice is correct, that is going to disappoint a whole lot of currently delighted MR members.

Just look at the availability. The Air has pretty much been available since day one, the regular 17 however currently has 3-4 week wait. It's clear it's underperformed

 

[Retro Rider]

We're probably at the point of the phone market properly maturing alongside its products. People aren't overly concerned with YouTubers complaining about a 'lack of innovation' because when their 3-year upgrade window appears they just want the latest version of what they already have.

Youtubers need to keep drumming up ennui and excitement to keep their viewing figured up. Forumites like us have turned the tech news cycle into a form of entertainment. In reality people don't really care.

Eh, I mean, i guess so, but I think it's also more so that most consumers just don't really care to much about gimmicks if they don't like add to the daily expereince of using the phone; at least if they're considering a whole new model rather than the "main" pros or normal models, and this is just one of those gimmicks.

 

[Ctrlos]

Eh, I mean, i guess so, but I think it's also more so that most consumers just don't really care to much about gimmicks if they don't like add to the daily expereince of using the phone; at least if they're considering a whole new model rather than the "main" pros or normal models, and this is just one of those gimmicks.

Its also that they just don't keep up with the news cycle. They'll see in the NYT or on the BBC or whatever that there is a new iPhone out and probably roll their eyes but 6 months later when their contract is due for upgrade be in the phone shop asking reps what the latest iPhone is. I don't mean this as an insult; I know absolutely nothing about cars and would be relying on sales staff to tell me what the latest BYD was and so on.

 

[mattopotamus]

iPhone Air is this year's MacBook Touch Bar.

Sorry, but that honor still belongs to the camera button.

 

[Retro Rider]

Its also that they just don't keep up with the news cycle. They'll see in the NYT or on the BBC or whatever that there is a new iPhone out and probably roll their eyes but 6 months later when their contract is due for upgrade be in the phone shop asking reps what the latest iPhone is. I don't mean this as an insult; I know absolutely nothing about cars and would be relying on sales staff to tell me what the latest BYD was and so on.

Yeah, like the majority of people (like my parents or whatever) really aren't taped into like tech news, which isn't bad its just what it is. So yeah when they like need/can upgrade, i think they just upgrade from whatever they had before to the new version of what they had before (iPhone 12 Pro -> iPhone 17 Pro), or something in the price range.

I think that the iPhone Air is made for like those 'techies' or at least people who care a bit more than like your average grandma, but even then the appeal it limited. It's almost like when Samsung sold both regular and edge versions of their earlier galaxy models, or even something like the bend phones (if u remember those), or something like that.