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Well Chris Pirillo Absolutely Roasts the X's UI

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myscrnnm said:
Looking at this comparison, it's actually all the more clear why Apple decided to design the iPhone X the way they did.

Looking at the render on the right, it looks completely generic, like every other Android smartphone on the market today. What has made the iPhone design such an icon is the distinctive silhouette, the round home button. Even when the phone is reduced to its most basic elements, such as in a comic, the iPhone's design is instantly recognizable. The same can be said about the notch, as the home button has now been eliminated.

Additionally, looking at hands-on videos of the iPhone X, the lack of bars at the top and bottom of the phone make it seem almost like an immersive experience. It's as if you're looking through a viewer, and the sides of the phone are just a frame. You don't get the same feeling with the design on the right.

The decision to make the notch the way it is is an exercise in good industrial design and UI design. It's the best solution to the problem of incorporating the sensor array into a bezelless phone.
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I initially did not like it but, I now do agree with you. I think it is a unique solution that Apple came up with. Basically the notch area is the status bar, and the screen just extends in all directions. I have to agree that it does seem to be more immersive
 
Oridus said:
I suppose I was trying to ask how the notch disables any functionality of the phone? You had said that function has taken back seat to aesthetics. I fail to see how the notch stops ANY functionality on the phone.

You were also giving reference to a three wheeled car as opposed to four. This analogy isn't really a good one because we've seen a lot of three wheeled vehicles on the market, of which they are selling quite well in some circumstances, and they kind of look weird at first glance:

Three wheeled mopeds:

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Three wheeled two seaters (Slingshot):

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Three wheeled motorcycles (Yamaha Niken, just announced):

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The point I'm trying to make is that just because the aesthetics aren't what you're USED to, doesn't mean that they've lost function. They function the way they were meant to function. These vehicles are still capable of being driven, carry passengers and cargo. They're able to provide recreation. They're able to do what they were designed to do.

The iPhoneX is no exception. The notch, while not what we're familiar with in design, does not hinder the functionality of the device. The device will still show video, still play games, and display websites, and GPS, and take photos and so on and so forth. The notch is not going to hinder that functionality. Rather we will have to adapt at how we view that content the way it was designed to be viewed on that particular device. That is all. Some people may find it as an annoyance, some people don't care, and most people will just probably get used to it and it will be an afterthought.
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Great post - but as it turns out, the notch does impact functionality, greatly. People now need to get used to all-new gestures (for no good reason, or benefit I might add - I simply do not buy the whole FaceID > TouchID argument), some of which, as I noted in my earlier post are simply atrocious (e.g scrolling from either side of the notch). Not to mention throwing out every single UI interaction involving the home button and TouchID sensor (which have collectively been around for a decade), which directly impacts a user base of hundreds of millions. But you are right, people will eventually get used to it - but the real question is was it really necessary in the first place?
 
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sammy2066 said:
Great post - but as it turns out, the notch does impact functionality, greatly. People now need to get used to all-new gestures (for no good reason, or benefit I might add - I simply do not buy the whole FaceID > TouchID argument), some of which, as I noted in my earlier post are simply atrocious (e.g scrolling from either side of the notch). Not to mention throwing out every single UI interaction involving the home button and TouchID sensor (which have collectively been around for a decade), which directly impacts a user base of hundreds of millions.
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It doesn't HINDER functionality, as it's not taking the functionality away. This is no different than someone getting used to TouchID to unlock their phone instead of putting in a passcode. The functionality simply is adapted to given the device that they're using in particular. The overall functionality is still there, regardless of how you obtain said functionality.

The only argument you could make as far as taking "Away" or hindering functionality (in my opinion) is the removal of TouchID, in which case I could unlock my phone without having to direct the phone to my face. It was easy to do while passing on a counter. Can't really do that with FaceID. But the notch does not take away functionality.

The new gestures that you're referring to have to do with the removal of that exact button that did house TouchID, and not with the notch.

But you are right, people will eventually get used to it - but the real question is was it really necessary in the first place?
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So technology, or anything for that matter, should never evolve?
  • Apple should have stuck with a 30 pin instead of lightning
  • Micro-USB should never have been replaced with USB-C
  • Analog TV signals should never have been replaced with Digital
  • Why bother with 4k when 720p was perfectly fine
  • Bluetooth? Why go wireless when we could easily plug things in
It's never "necessary" to change something until something more efficient can come along. Something to make the experience better, or change it for the better. In this case, we get rid of the huge chin and forehead on these phones which have been rather ugly for years. We also get new gestures (which you claim to see now need for). Will it take a bit to get used to taking screenshots differently? Sure. Will it take a little while to get used to having to swipe up for home? Sure. But with your logic, we should have never moved away from buttons on a phone for a keyboard, we should have never given up the number pad from flip phones. Why change the functionality? Was it necessary?

I will say that if there is one gesture I'm truly EXCITED For, it's the swipe left or right to switch between apps. Omg that will make my life a ton easier when navigating my device as my job demands that I use several apps on my phone, all day, every day. And the majority of the time I will switch between 2-3 of those apps. Double pressing the home button and finding it on the app switcher is kind of a pain in the rear. If you've not seen a video of this in action, go look it up. It's slick as hell.

I get you're frustrated with the change, but that doesn't mean that change shouldn't happen. It's, again, just something to get used to. At the end of the day, after a year or so of using it, you'll most likely be very used to it and it will be an afterthought (Assuming you're purchasing a 10). That being said. Gestures aren't going to go away. Home button isn't going to magically make it's way back. The notch, however, may disappear, which I'd assume will be much to your pleasure.
 
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trekkie604 said:
I usually don't watch this guy because his voice totally irritates me, but he's absolutely right about the ugly perma-notch. Design decisions at Apple are questionable.

Looking at this picture now makes total sense why apple choose this design. So much wasted space on the bottom and some on the top. No doubt there will be many copiers of this better design.
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myscrnnm said:
The decision to make the notch the way it is is an exercise in good industrial design and UI design. It's the best solution to the problem of incorporating the sensor array into a bezelless phone.
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I’m not especially offended by the notch, but it is absolutely not the best solution to that problem. It’s the best solution to the compound problem of incorporating the sensor array into a bezel free phone AND wanting to create a new silouhette that’s instantly recognizable given the absence of the circular home button.
 
Man, I haven't heard this guy's name in about 5 or 6 years. Is he still doing that thing where he live streams himself yelling at a computer?
 
eoblaed said:
I definitely prefer the left pic.
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Same here.

The only difference is the "background" color behind the cell reception indicator / time. Really don't care either way... for me enabling that part of the screen gives the impression of a larger screen... but if someone would rather have black on either end of the notch then more power to them. IMO this is a non issue.
 
can't listen to him anymore. i started watching his youtube channel again before the keynote and after that it's just been the same broken record. now he's all into android and crowdfunding a pixel phone for his wife.
 
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zhandri said:
can't listen to him anymore. i started watching his youtube channel again before the keynote and after that it's just been the same broken record. now he's all into android and crowdfunding a pixel phone for his wife.
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LOL. yeah he's getting money from subbers.
 
pat500000 said:
LOL. yeah he's getting money from subbers.
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the weird part is he basically ordered both phones right when they came out after the google presentation and from what i can tell he's keeping his 2 XL so he already has the Pixel 2 for his wife but now he's asking for money to pay for it.
 
zhandri said:
the weird part is he basically ordered both phones right when they came out after the google presentation and from what i can tell he's keeping his 2 XL so he already has the Pixel 2 for his wife but now he's asking for money to pay for it.
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really? He's been crowdfunding for various phones...so i don't know then. Maybe he was crowdfunding to get his money back? He has iphone 8 plus, lg v30 pixel 2xl and 2....and he's really trying hard to get her to use pixel.
Why is he trying so hard to get her to use pixel?...or android for that matter.
 
sammy2066 said:
Great post - but as it turns out, the notch does impact functionality, greatly. People now need to get used to all-new gestures (for no good reason, or benefit I might add - I simply do not buy the whole FaceID > TouchID argument), some of which, as I noted in my earlier post are simply atrocious (e.g scrolling from either side of the notch). Not to mention throwing out every single UI interaction involving the home button and TouchID sensor (which have collectively been around for a decade), which directly impacts a user base of hundreds of millions. But you are right, people will eventually get used to it - but the real question is was it really necessary in the first place?
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Yes it really was necessary. The Home button had to go. Did Apple get it 100% right this first time out? Maybe not. Does that make iPhone X a failure? Not even close. By all accounts, it’s turning out to be a huge success.

Apple will continue to evolve and consumers will continue to support the evolution. For every dozen people here who swear that Apple has gone too far this time and they’re quitting Apple and switching to Android, there are likely at least a dozen people who were previously Android users who will switch to Apple because of the latest evolution. Meanwhile, there is a steady collective of millions of Apple fans who are largely non vocal but will continue to buy Apple release after release after release because they love the brand and are happy to overlook any missteps here or there because overall the evolution of the brand still feels exciting, leading edge and sexy to them.

Whether those opinions are driven by pack mentality or actual facts matters very little. In the end, the only thing that matters is how many people are actually buying.
 
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Oridus said:
It doesn't HINDER functionality, as it's not taking the functionality away. This is no different than someone getting used to TouchID to unlock their phone instead of putting in a passcode. The functionality simply is adapted to given the device that they're using in particular. The overall functionality is still there, regardless of how you obtain said functionality.

The only argument you could make as far as taking "Away" or hindering functionality (in my opinion) is the removal of TouchID, in which case I could unlock my phone without having to direct the phone to my face. It was easy to do while passing on a counter. Can't really do that with FaceID. But the notch does not take away functionality.

The new gestures that you're referring to have to do with the removal of that exact button that did house TouchID, and not with the notch.



So technology, or anything for that matter, should never evolve?
  • Apple should have stuck with a 30 pin instead of lightning
  • Micro-USB should never have been replaced with USB-C
  • Analog TV signals should never have been replaced with Digital
  • Why bother with 4k when 720p was perfectly fine
  • Bluetooth? Why go wireless when we could easily plug things in
It's never "necessary" to change something until something more efficient can come along. Something to make the experience better, or change it for the better. In this case, we get rid of the huge chin and forehead on these phones which have been rather ugly for years. We also get new gestures (which you claim to see now need for). Will it take a bit to get used to taking screenshots differently? Sure. Will it take a little while to get used to having to swipe up for home? Sure. But with your logic, we should have never moved away from buttons on a phone for a keyboard, we should have never given up the number pad from flip phones. Why change the functionality? Was it necessary?

I will say that if there is one gesture I'm truly EXCITED For, it's the swipe left or right to switch between apps. Omg that will make my life a ton easier when navigating my device as my job demands that I use several apps on my phone, all day, every day. And the majority of the time I will switch between 2-3 of those apps. Double pressing the home button and finding it on the app switcher is kind of a pain in the rear. If you've not seen a video of this in action, go look it up. It's slick as hell.

I get you're frustrated with the change, but that doesn't mean that change shouldn't happen. It's, again, just something to get used to. At the end of the day, after a year or so of using it, you'll most likely be very used to it and it will be an afterthought (Assuming you're purchasing a 10). That being said. Gestures aren't going to go away. Home button isn't going to magically make it's way back. The notch, however, may disappear, which I'd assume will be much to your pleasure.
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Was going to write a response to that guy, but you literally took the words out of my mouth. Completely agree with everything you've said. The iPhone wasn't going to stay the same forever, it's had the same basic design and UI interaction model for 10 years. It's time for it to evolve. Like you, I can't wait to try the new gestures (especially that new swipe left/right to switch between apps). Based on what YouTubers who've had hands-on time with the X have said, the gestures are easy to get used to and are very intuitive. This is the first iPhone in awhile that I'm truly excited for.
 
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sammy2066 said:
But you are right, people will eventually get used to it - but the real question is was it really necessary in the first place?
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Removing the home button unnecessary? Did we want to keep the bezels forever? Absolutely not.

Same way nobody in their right mind could argue for internal optical disk drives in Mac laptops these days. Takes up an absolutely comical amount of space. Same with the bezels - leaving a huge inactive area on the front of the phone just so people can feel comfortable having a button introduced in 2007 isn't Apple. Also echoes the 30pin dock connector woes back in the day. Tons of bad press, tons of "angry consumers" claiming it was an unnecessary change. Now look at the dock connector. It looks like a serial port from 1998.
 
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Fernandez21 said:
While I actually really like that and prefer that look over what Apple has done, maybe they were afraid of burn in if they did it that way?

Either way, it doesn't bother me one way or the other.
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When there’s a black section on an oled screen the pixels are actually off so burn in can not occur.

I’m not personally against the notch, i might even end up liking it but just for the sake of discussion, if there’s enough people complaining Apple could potentially intoroduce a way to turn the notch off via software and have a slightly shorter screen vertically. Makes sense to me and it shouldnt be an issue for Apple to introduce such a setting in a future iOS Update.
 
Benz63amg said:
When there’s a black section on an oled screen the pixels are actually off so burn in can not occur.

I’m not personally against the notch, i might even end up liking it but just for the sake of discussion, if there’s enough people complaining Apple could potentially intoroduce a way to turn the notch off via software and have a slightly shorter screen vertically. Makes sense to me and it shouldnt be an issue for Apple to introduce such a setting in a future iOS Update.
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Yeah, the black section is off, but the time, signal bar, WiFi, ECT are all on white. That will make those pixels digrade faster when compared to the surrounding black pixels.
 
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