Here we go again.
This thread needs to be locked. The Apple apologists are getting desperate and are bordering on lying in many instances.
I have and will continue to do so.
You haven't proved anything.
I'm twisting nothing. I originally asked you if all versions of Vista had a DVD player pre-installed.
You said they don't. Asking about compatibility of third party players seems to be the logical thing to do - its called research. If I ever upgrade my XP machine or replace it - I want to make the right choice.
You've deliberately twisted other statements of mine and flat out lied about things I've said. It's truly sad.
As is asking about compatibility issues with third party DVD players. Thats just another very cheap attempt at making Windows look bad. Compatibility issues are essentially a thing of the past. I haven't had any kind of "compatibility issues" since... well, honestly I never had in Windows. I've never heard of any true compatibility issues like those the Apple fans and Apple itself try to bring up. Like a couple of years ago at WWDC "PC" mentioned something about compatibility issues in the video before the keynote speech. What compatibility issues? Let's not forget Leopard's blue screen of death at launch thanks to a third party app. Thats a real compatibility issue
Calling mac users elitist, idiots and fools who look down on people is therefore trolling. (and thats not the complete list of insults you've used here).
You're free to believe whatever you wish, even if it is false.
I have - user groups for both iWeb and GB around the world, professional bands, photographer etc etc and no you don't need MobileMe. Apple even explains how to publish your iWebsite without it, and its not difficult.
Your "iWebsite"?
I have yet to see any respectable sites not hosted by Mobile Me/.mac that were made and published with iWeb.
I also have yet to see any respectable musician, professional or otherwise, use Garageband. So you still have yet to prove your points.
I didn't ignore this point for any other reason than it is irrelevant to the fact that you can use iMovie. Its all part of the integrated suite thing. They are compatible with each other. If a user however choses to use other software they can of course.
Why would anyone choose to use iMovie over a superior product? Why would any logical person switch to a Mac for the iLife apps when the Windows apps that ship with their DV cam, photo printers, and other products are superior to those in the iLife suite?
Explain the hoops to me and back them up - please don't tell me that you and all your friends know there are hoops.
Going in and modifying the code to publish on a different server. iWeb is all about the one click publishing to Mobile Me. When you don't use that you have to go in and edit the code to be able to work with a different host. You have to first publish the site to a folder and then go in and upload everything manually and change the code to reflect the directory listings and host you're using.
I've never said anyone would use a MB and GB. Please don't twist that.
All Macs use the same integrated sound processors based of the Intel HD Audio spec, so it doesn't really matter if its a MacBook or Mac Pro.
I would say that Oasis and Radiohead with combined album sales of 75 million fit the "respectable" musician part but I don't know what Macs they use.
So I guess Britney Spears is a respectable musician? I mean, she did sell over 80 million albums worldwide.
The thing with music is that its ridiculously cheap ($10 CD) and any idiot can make something that appeals to a mass of people. That doesn't make them good or "respectable".
By your logic, 50 Cent is a respectable musician as well.
Just because there are more Vista users than Mac users - didn't prove you right last month and nothing has changed this month. I also didn't quote forums (another twist from you) I quoted PC websites. You have quoted you and your friends and nothing else.
You didn't quote anything respectable. And quite honestly, every single thing you've said has been nothing more than typical Mac user drivel that any PC user with common sense knows is false.
I am not making fun of people downgrading - I think it's sad to be honest.
Repeating the "more Vista than Mac users" argument still doesn't prove your argument.
Why is it sad? People are using what they want and need. At least they have the choice of what software to run on the hardware they want. They can buy whatever hardware fits their needs and run whatever software fits their needs. They're not told they have to buy THIS hardware with THIS software or nothing.
When you don't know when the comment was made by HP and by whom (you don't even know if its a man or woman) - how can you possibly know what they were selling at the time.
How can I possibly know what HP was selling? Well, because I help several people per week buy new computer hardware so I regularly check sites like hp.com, Dell.com, gateway.com, ibuypower.com, newegg.com, etc. Ever since Vista was released, HP has ONLY sold XP on very low end hardware and not until well after Vista was released. They never sold it on high end hardware and they never sold it on their mainstream consumer lines after Vista's release. Their business line only has it on a limited number of machines with very few options.
But again, at least they have that choice.
Still offering it in a loophole - good news.
If it was a true loophole that Microsoft was so "scared" of, don't you think they would have closed it by now? All EULAs have wording that state that the agreement can change at any time. So Microsoft really could change their agreements and contracts. It's not that difficult.
But unlike Apple, Microsoft sees that its actually a good thing to offer customers what they want.
Its still not proving your point. People aren't happy - MS have admitted they're worried by this. Must be very worried - $300 million advertising campaign.
The $300m advertising campaign is to repair their image. Their image has been damaged mostly by ignorant media outlets and fans alternative products who really don't know what they're talking about.
I quoted a source - it explained its article and the survey. Of course you believe you and your friends.
Because, again, 800 or 3,000 people somehow represent hundreds of millions?
That is the forth time and guess what - you still haven't proved your argument.
Only in your eyes have I not proven my argument.
Using the "downgrade" argument against Vista is just flat out stupid. People have legitimate reasons for wanting XP over Vista, as I explained in my previous posts. Trying to say Vista is bad because people prefer something else is just flat out stupid and trying to use that argument against Vista is, again, stupid. Especially considering that there are more than 7x the people using Vista than there are Macs in total.
You know what else is funny? I've read here and at other forums "people only use Vista because they weren't given a choice". I find that funny because I've seen quite a few posts here and at Apple's support forums asking how to install Tiger on new hardware. People aren't given a choice on Macs at all. But at least you can go buy a Vista PC and install whatever software on it you want.
Hypocrite That one did make me smile.
Heh, excuse me? See, this is just getting stupid. I didn't contradict myself in any way. There are always bound to be people who don't like things no matter what. There are people at this forum who do not like Leopard (one major poster that goes by the name of "Cassie" if I remember correctly). But there are those who would want Tiger for legitimate purposes. The same way people want XP for legitimate purposes.
Please stop being foolish.
Have Apple done anything illegal - no. I can put music from any number of sources on the iPod. As for the rest of the argument - I know nothing of American law. I hate to sound sarcastic - you seem to know everything about how business works (from large corps - to small business) - The music industry and now law (and this aspect of law is highly complex and specialised)
Microsoft got in trouble for integrating IE into Windows 98. Thats all they got in trouble for.
Let's look at what Apple has done, shall we? Sure you can take music from any number of sources and put it on the iPod, as long as its unencrypted or purchased from iTunes. But you can't manage it with other software any more. Every iPod that is capable of playing video released in 2007 and beyond requires video accessories that have special authentication chips that have to be purchased from Apple. They essentially broke thousands of video accessories that were made for the last two years prior to that move. So you're locked in to buying Apple made or authorized accessories.
Now the big one. The iPhone. Under the DMCA it is LEGAL to unlock a phone to be able to use it on whatever carrier you wish. Apple, however, fights these LEGAL efforts to keep the phone locked to a single carrier with over priced plans and forcing users into multi-year agreements.
Theres also other little things Apple has done. Look at the Leopard EULA. Can only be installed on an Apple branded computer? Hah. Look at what they did with the iPod games too. Prior to last years iPod revisions, if you had bought any iPod games you had to go and repurchase the new point revision (1.0 to 1.1) to be able to use them on your new hardware. Ridiculous.
Heres another one I like. Apple likes to twist and interpret laws in ways they were not meant to be used to charge users for upgrades. For example, the iPod touch upgrades. There is not a single law on the books that says they have to charge for the iPod touch upgrades. Microsoft and Sony give free software upgrades to PSP, PS3, and Xbox360 owners. You could buy any one of their consoles and you'd get free upgrades even if you never bought a game or subscribed to anything. Yet Apple tries to say they have to charge. Better yet, the Zune (even the old 30GB now) gets major software upgrades for free. Last year the original Zune got the same software features as the then new Zune. Wireless syncing (why don't the iPod touch and the iPhone have this) and a completely new UI. Now, the original Zune and last years Zune get another major upgrade that brings even more new features to the table. All of it free. What does Apple do? You want new features you buy the new hardware or pay for the software upgrade. They only do it because they can, not because they have to. I see no reason why my 80GB 5.5G iPod couldn't have gotten that UI revision last year. It was only 6 months old by that time. Or why couldn't that same iPod plus my barely 1 year old 3G 8GB iPod nano get the "Genius" features? Microsoft would have given it to me. In fact, Microsoft DID give that feature to their Zune buyers. But if you want it in an iPod you have to pay one way or another.
Long story short, Apple is more monopolistic than Microsoft ever was.
Most people are not experiencing these crashes you talk about - I used to under MACOS 9 etc but not now. Sorry but people would flock away not to Mac if you were right.
Oh no they wouldn't. Look at the problems people here have. People deal with all kinds of stupid things here. I've read stories of people going through 3 or 4 motherboard replacements in their MacBook Pro and then after its all done "I'd still rather have this than a PC!".
The Apple fanboys will take whatever Apple gives them.
Can't argue with that - but those virus's are still there for your system and enough people are unwise enough to get fed up with the quirks of Vista's questions and turn off the system that is designed to protect them.
Someone who has actually had experience with Vista will tell you that UAC only shows itself as often as the password prompt in OS X. People won't get tired of something they hardly ever see.
Support: HP has taken up to 6 weeks on repairs, and still not gotten it right. I've sent out over 30 laptops in the past 2 years. How many have you sent out?
I've dealt with 3 HPs of my own and 2 MacBooks. I've had to send 2 of those HPs out for repair and both MacBooks.
HP? First one went out for repair. Less than a week after sending it out I had the replacement in my hand. Same with the second one. Both MacBooks took 3 weeks each and a combined total of 5 trips out to the facility to finally get things done right.
Yes, Apple is better in support too.
Sure they are. Thats why their phone support closes in a few minutes versus HP's being open 24/7.
Good job posting a link to an article that does absolutely nothing to show how they got that number.
As for the benchmarks, I'd be happy to provide you with a comprehensive test once I get my MacBook, Vista vs. XP vs. OSX vs. Ubuntu vs. SuSe vs. Fedora. What apps would you like me to use?
I'll be getting the book as soon as the new ones come out. Please let me know, Mosx.
Feel free to do whatever you wish. I've already tested my MacBook. OS X versus Windows on the same hardware, as well as OS X versus Windows on my HP's hardware.
And the remainder probably just don't know they can downgrade, or don't know how (average home users).
Why wouldn't they know how? Because the average user is stupid?
I think you're getting desperate now - are you the only person in the universe who doesn't know the history of this
History of what? Apple CHOOSES to be the gate keeper with the App Store.
With music DRM, people can blame the record labels all they want. If Apple wanted DRM to be gone on their music it would be gone. But it locks people into the iPod. People aren't just going to walk away to another player if they've spent even $100 on music at iTunes.
You are finally showing your true colours. With this type of ignorant bigoted posting you embarrass yourself.
Heh, I embarrass myself? Funny, I thought I was the only one who could say how I feel. The only thing I'm embarrassed about is the fact that owning a Mac associates me with people like you.
If you don't like what I have to say then click the ignore button. I'm sorry, but if I call a company and their phone support is located within the US and the person I'm speaking to has a very thick Spanish accent and can barely understand what I'm saying, then I am going to question whether that person is here legally or not. If they are not here legally then they should be sent home. If you don't like that then that is too bad.
This is patronising at best but continues the ignorance theme quite nicely.
Nice way of saying you've lost and you know it.
Obviously microsoft haven't provided a compelling enough reason to upgrade.
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.
You know, not everyone has to run out and buy something new all the time. Not everyone thinks the way Apple wants them to or the way Apple fans do. When something new is released you don't have to run out and buy it to have the latest and greatest.
You know, most people in the world actually buy what they NEED and not want they always WANT.
I say again, stop being foolish.
You gave your opinion on iWeb/Garageband but it continues not to prove your argument. Respectable ? Don't make me give you a list of websites made by "respectable" people. I'm happy too - but it's getting embarrassing.
Yes, the way you're acting is getting quite embarrassing. You're giving Mac owners a bad name and, quite frankly, you need to quit.
So feel free to show me some sites that were made with iWeb that are not hosted by Mobile Me.
Radiohead - 25 million albums sold worldwide. Last album in Rainbows Charted number 1 in USA (Jan 2008)
Oasis - 50 million albums - Resigned with Sony due to popularity resurgence. Last I heard they were on tour in Canada
You so lose that one.
And as I said before, going by your logic, Britney Spears is more respectable than either one because she has sold far more than both combined.
You bought Virtualdub and YouTube to the table as a defense for not noticing the wide spread access to video. You actually said EVERY video on youtube that has been edited was done by Virtualdub. Clearly not true. You lose again.
Yet another example of you hearing what you want to hear and choosing to ignore the entire story. I said nearly every user made video on youtube. Not every. You can go and see for yourself. The edits, text, etc. all prove what videos were edited with virtualdub.
I'm sorry you can't accept the truth. But you picking and choosing what you want to hear and trying to put that forward as fact is getting both old and foolish.
Thats because when it was created not everyone had video capability as they do today. Learn your history - you lose that too
Now you're just getting funny. And if everyone wanted iMovie in its current form, there wouldn't have been such a backlash forcing Apple to release that older version, right?
This doesn't alter the fact that iMovie can be used. In fact during that 5 minutes I saw many very well edited movies on YouTube. Looks like you're wrong again
I like how you keep saying "you're wrong". It's becoming painfully obvious that you're just trying to convince yourself that you're right.
Let's ask those uploaders how many of those movies were edited by iMovie, shall we?
Not only to you make these comments about me and Mac users in general you have now made nasty comments about a Hispanic person who was trying to help you on a helpline.
I have nothing against a race of people in general, especially considering I am of mixed background. I do have a problem with someone illegally coming to a country, not paying taxes, and generally living off the fruits of legal residents labor. If you want to come to this country you must do it legally. My ancestors did it and so should they.
And I most certainly did not pay $1406 for a "premium" computer so that part of the profit I have paid the manufacturer can go to fund paychecks of illegal immigrants. I may not like "Indian tech support" but at least they're doing their job legally.
