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What will you do if you need to replace your MBP but Apple is not releasing a new one at WWDC?

  • Continue to wait

    Votes: 185 47.6%
  • Just buy what they have right now even the keyboard has issue and they are one year old machines

    Votes: 49 12.6%
  • Go for a Windows laptop

    Votes: 75 19.3%
  • Turn to Hackintosh

    Votes: 11 2.8%
  • Others

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Others

    Votes: 4 1.0%
  • Go to a temple and become a monk for a year. Then, come back and check.

    Votes: 56 14.4%

  • Total voters
    389
I've never used Keynote. Every conference room I've ever presented in used windows machines. I wouldn't take the risk of non-compaltiblity by using Keynote.

Speaking about presentation at conference room... Windows laptops have no issue in connecting to projectors anymore? It used to be MBP just plugged and played while Windows users sometimes even had to borrow the computers of others due to compatibility issues.
 
Powerpoint is more powerful?!? In which aspect? Keynote is much better.

Word > Pages
Excel >> Numbers
Keynote >> Powerpoint.

IMHO.

PowerPoint is superior by standards alone. More people have windows then macOS and for school I’ll need PowerPoint
 
Speaking about presentation at conference room... Windows laptops have no issue in connecting to projectors anymore? It used to be MBP just plugged and played while Windows users sometimes even had to borrow the computers of others due to compatibility issues.
In some instances it’s worse for Macs these days because they require dongles, often third party, with iffy compatibility.

No projectors have USB-C or Thunderbolt.

For example, a lot of the dongles with video out which worked fine with the 2015/2016 models don’t work with the 2017. Apple changed something there.

Furthermore, a lot of dongles for the MacBook that do work only support up to 4Kp30, not 4Kp60 since there isn’t enough bandwidth to support both USB 3 and 4Kp60. So either you choose a dedicated 4Kp60 HDMI dongle or else you get a combo that does 4Kp60 with only USB 2, or else a combo that does only 4Kp30 but with USB 3.

And the dongles you buy may not be compatible with all your Macs.

So sometimes it’s just easier just to put your PowerPoint (not Keynote) presentation on a USB memory stick and use the Windows PC that’s already there.
 
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Speaking about presentation at conference room... Windows laptops have no issue in connecting to projectors anymore? It used to be MBP just plugged and played while Windows users sometimes even had to borrow the computers of others due to compatibility issues.

Let me put it to you this way - I always bring whatever dongles I have and a USB drive just in case!
 
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In some instances it’s worse for Macs these days because they require dongles, often third party, with iffy compatibility.

No projectors have USB-C or Thunderbolt.

For example, a lot of the dongles with video out which worked fine with the 2015/2016 models don’t work with the 2017. Apple changed something there.

Furthermore, a lot of dongles for the MacBook that do work only support up to 4Kp30, not 4Kp60 since there isn’t enough bandwidth to support both USB 3 and 4Kp60. So either you choose a dedicated 4Kp60 HDMI dongle or else you get a combo that does 4Kp60 with only USB 2, or else a combo that does only 4Kp30 but with USB 3.

And the dongles you buy may not be compatible with all your Macs.

So sometimes it’s just easier just to put your PowerPoint (not Keynote) presentation on a USB memory stick and use the Windows PC that’s already there.


Thanks for sharing the experience. Basically, after TC took over, the MBP line became rubbish. I suspect that in 2020, it could be worse. This is a wake up call for Mac users.

I went to an Apple Store today to buy an IPP since I expect that they will make a notch in the upcoming one. Better get a descent one. Tried the keyboard of the MBP 2017 again to give them one more chance but I just couldn't stand it. Did not feel the cushion. Typing for long time might even cause injury. Certainly time to switch platform.
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Let me put it to you this way - I always bring whatever dongles I have and a USB drive just in case!

Thanks for the hint.
 
Speaking about presentation at conference room... Windows laptops have no issue in connecting to projectors anymore? It used to be MBP just plugged and played while Windows users sometimes even had to borrow the computers of others due to compatibility issues.

The display standards are all handled by both Windows and Mac laptops. HDMI, DP, DVI, and even old VGA with adapters.
 
The display standards are all handled by both Windows and Mac laptops. HDMI, DP, DVI, and even old VGA with adapters.

I don't know what happened to Windows laptops users. Sometimes their laptops were not compatible with projectors. Sometimes in the middle of the presentation, videos failed to play back.
 
I don't know what happened to Windows laptops users. Sometimes their laptops were not compatible with projectors. Sometimes in the middle of the presentation, videos failed to play back.

That has not happened to me in 20 years of doing presentations, mostly on windows laptops. Perhaps the projectors are too low resolution for the video. You have to make them match.
 
Need the Coffee Lake package with Vega chip and 4K screen otherwise there's not sufficient reason to upgrade. I don't know if the quantities are available yet.
 
I went to an Apple store yesterday. About 90% of the staff were devoted to the Genius counter. Only one guy was assigned in the iPad/iPhone area. More them half of my 20 minutes stay there had no staff in the Mac area. The guy in the iPad/iPhone area had to serve two customers who did not even know how to set up the iPad, me and another guy. I have been to that store several times. Each time the staff allocation is similar. Usually zero one one staff in Mac area. This may indicate that Apple does not care so much about Mac anymore.
 
This may indicate that Apple does not care so much about Mac anymore.
I wouldn't make that conclusion, the apple stores I frequent have very busy mac sections and there's plenty of sales staff to assist the customers.

About 90% of the staff were devoted to the Genius counter.
There's different types of apple store employees, sales staff and technical support. Maybe there's overlap but to my knowledge apple doesn't move sales people over to the Genius Bar to help with fixing apple equipment.
 
I wouldn't make that conclusion, the apple stores I frequent have very busy mac sections and there's plenty of sales staff to assist the customers.


There's different types of apple store employees, sales staff and technical support. Maybe there's overlap but to my knowledge apple doesn't move sales people over to the Genius Bar to help with fixing apple equipment.

This is also the store that the sales are below standard in terms of knowledge about what they have in store and about Apple products.
 
I'm sure it is dependent on local management in any given store. I don't think you can make conclusions on the company as a whole based on a store.


Edit.... haha....judge them on frequency, timeliness and quality of updates :D:D
 
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I don't mind spending a few hundred more on a macbook instead of a windows labtop with similar specs that will break down after 4-5 years.
 
I don't mind spending a few hundred more on a macbook instead of a windows labtop with similar specs that will break down after 4-5 years.
To a degree that was part of my purchase justification for Apple. I'd get a beatifully designed machine that was fast well made. My 2012 MBP was (and is) the best laptop I've ever owned. Fast forward to 2018 and we have what appears to be a higher frequency rate of failures in the keyboard, before that was the whole display-gate thing where the coating was flaking off. My confidence in the quality has eroded. Then there's apple dragging its feet with coffee late. Apple's competitors have quite an advantage in specs at the moment, we can get a much more powerful laptop for less.
 
I went to an Apple store yesterday. About 90% of the staff were devoted to the Genius counter. Only one guy was assigned in the iPad/iPhone area. More them half of my 20 minutes stay there had no staff in the Mac area. The guy in the iPad/iPhone area had to serve two customers who did not even know how to set up the iPad, me and another guy. I have been to that store several times. Each time the staff allocation is similar. Usually zero one one staff in Mac area. This may indicate that Apple does not care so much about Mac anymore.

This is the reason why Apple has so little interest in the Mac, combined with IOS devices being easier to design, manufacture and market. IMHO why Apple is continuously diluting the desktop platform to make it an easier sell, "The Mac" is likely to become more simplistic and less relevant to those with higher needs the direction is obvious...
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I don't mind spending a few hundred more on a macbook instead of a windows labtop with similar specs that will break down after 4-5 years.

I think both are now susceptible to break down due to soldered parts. Apple doesn't have some magic solution that can prevent hardware failure of components any more than Windows, which will inevitably result in a motherboard replacement (huge cost). Repairability of MacBooks has gone extremly low compared to years ago. I am not even taking into consideration the current keyboard issue. The difference is you are likely to get a better experience with Apple as you can just go to a store and get it resolved. This is also a reason why most repair statistics make it seem Apple are more reliable as, they base it off data of repair centres - and obviously most repairs are off the book as they take place at an Apple store.

My worry is yes I can get Apple care, but what after 3 years? The price of these machines, I feel it is high risk to know that if anything at all goes, I will have to shell out for a whole new motherboard - and my protection is only 3 years. RAM was once replaceable but that has long since changed. What bothered me more was that the SSD is now also soldered on the new TB models. I think an SSD failure rate generally (not just MacBooks) is high enough to make me worry about that.

Also it is a shame that down the line, you can't upgrade it like you could years ago. Suddenly want to replace your SSD with a 2TB version that comes out in 3/4 years at a cheap price? Tough luck.

I have a high budget for the Macbooks (~£3-4000), but I'd want the confidence that it will easily last 5+ years. I love reading threads of people still being able to use their 2009/2011/2012 models etc, but I don't think in 5 years we will have many people talking about "My 2017 MacBook is still going strong" without having had a motherboard replacement - that is just my opinion.

Windows laptops also have a similar problem where I don't believe they have the longevity they once did, albeit at a much lower price point to Apple. Most however won't solder the SSD though, which is a huge bonus. I am in limbo as to what is the best option.
 
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I agree, like many on here I'm a very longtime user and due to a number of things pretty much still tied to the platform. I'm increasingly setting lower and lower expectations as to what Apple might deliver for me but they consistently don't even seem to meet those these days.

I also echo the comment on the Apple stores - in years gone by they were quite interesting places. On my most recent visit to my local one I was struck by how tired, dull and listless it all seemed. Meet and greet staff and genius bar staff but no one else much around the neglected Mac tables. There was even an empty product table.
 
IMHO why Apple is continuously diluting the desktop platform to make it an easier sell, "The Mac" is likely to become more simplistic and less relevant to those with higher needs the direction is obvious...

Queen, you and your colleagues have been preaching the downfall of Apple's desktop for years now. "Mac is not for Pros anymore", "Apple is locking Mac down", "Mac OS is being dubbed down", "Mac is merging with iOS". Needless to say, none of this has yet happened.

Back to reality, Apple just announced a new macOS version, which main focus in on a) performance and b) power-user features such as automation and custom context-aware workflows. MacOS is the only OS on the market that has dedicated APIs for external GPU support to my knowledge, which allow the apps to dynamically enumerate plugged devices and balance workloads between them. 10.14 also introduces APIs for fine-grained work synchronisation and sharing. It is also the only OS on the market (again, to my knowledge) that offers highly optimised, efficient APIs for AI acceleration. And yet you people ramble on about "diluting the desktop platform"...

Not to mention that Apple lives and dies by the Mac, simply because Mac is the platform used to build iOS applications. Oh sure, iOS is where most of their money comes from, but that is not the point. If they mess up the Mac hardware or software, their iOS software quality will radically diminish, with obvious consequences. It seems that Apple management believes the same. They are investing a lot of effort and also R&D into the Mac, and while there are occasional setbacks (e.g. keyboard reliability issues), it is entirely silly to claim disinterest in Mac on their part. If they were disinterested, they wouldn't go out of their way to create a new redesign, they'd just use the old proved 2015 chassis with some minor improvements (if at all) and called it a day. You know, just like very other PC maker does.

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I don't mind spending a few hundred more on a macbook instead of a windows labtop with similar specs that will break down after 4-5 years.

There is no evidence that Mac laptops will live any longer then premium Windows laptops. 4-5 years is a long timespan for any laptop, and probably somewhere about 20-30% will fail by that time. No matter which brand.
 
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So mac only accounts for 10% of revenue. I mean honestly why do they bother at all.

Do you realise how much money apple makes. 10% of their revenue for 2017 is around $20bn.

Do you realise that the 69% of revenue that comes from iPhone & iPad is entirely contingent on developers using macOS to write the apps for iOS. It genuinely boggles my mind how people can point at the revenue that mac computers bring in as evidence that they don't care about it. Its literally the base on which almost everything apple exists.
 
Still trying to decide which laptop to buy. While I am interested in Intel CPU with 6-core, it looks like laptops with this CPU have heat, noisy fan and short battery life issue. What CPUs are we looking at that is in between the 8th gen 6-core CPU and the CPUs used by current MBP 2017 but without heat, noisy fan and thermal throttling issues?
 
Still trying to decide which laptop to buy. While I am interested in Intel CPU with 6-core, it looks like laptops with this CPU have heat, noisy fan and short battery life issue. What CPUs are we looking at that is in between the 8th gen 6-core CPU and the CPUs used by current MBP 2017 but without heat, noisy fan and thermal throttling issues?
MBP 2017
 
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