What if Face ID works BETTER Than Touch ID for iPhone 8? Would you miss Touch ID ?

[dontworry]

if it actually worked, like unlocked before i realize it fast, then i would be fine with it. it should also have a fingerprint scanner somewhere like the side, could be the same material as the MBP touchid button. people need options.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

Reasons why Face ID could have difficulty
-Hats
-Glasses
-Sunglasses
-Dark/dim lighting
-difference facial expressions
-different angles
-having to hold your phone just right in front of your face
-spoofing through photos
-growth/trim of facial hair
-having to hold your phone still to capture (time consuming)


These are just a few reasons I thought of off the top of my head. Are all of these insurmountable? Maybe, maybe not. However I think these are all challenging enough that it would be absolutely magic if Apple could manage a 99% success rate through all these situations. My point is fingerprint will almost certainly be needed as a fallback.

I've heard Rene Ritchie of iMore talk about his hopes of a future where the iPhone will be always be aware of if it's you through a multitude of factors. Fingerprints, Face, Iris, your normal walking gate, proximity to your wearable, all sorts of different things that it's constantly tracking to be assured that you are you. No unlocked required. And then if anything ever changes which causes your iPhone to doubt it's you, it will use some specific measure to authenticate.

 

[bushman4]

As technology stands today facial recognition is beatable and in many situations doesn't work as Mad Mac Maniac mentioned
Facial recognition combined with Touch ID would be a secure solution excepted by financial institutions

 

[Leonard1818]

I like touch ID better. Neither are good for winter (gloves, hats, scarves, general coverage of all skin and such)

 

[eoblaed]

Everyone thought that when the iPhone 5S had rumors about a finger print sensor everyone thought it would take 3 seconds to scan your print but in reality it took less than half a second and everyone was surprised.
I believe that Face ID will be magical and revolutionary. I think it will work better and faster than touch id
I wouldn't really miss the finger print scanner.
NOW Iris ID sounds very unrealistic for now. I believe what's coming is the Face ID
with night vision sensor to scan your face when it's dark and 3D lens to scan everything accurately during the day time.

I am excited for the iPhone 8
I believe the iPhone 8 WILL be bigger than the update from iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4
It will be the biggest upgrade in 7 years and great enough to be called revolutionary.
Even the design will be a upgraded throwback to the iP4
No way the iPhone 8 will cost less than $900 at the smallest storage.

I'm excited for it as well.

FaceID (or whatever) is no replacement for TouchID, though. There are many times I unlock my phone via TouchID where having to use my face instead would be a huge inconvenience. As just one example, the number of times I unlock my phone when it's sitting on my desk, or sitting in a mount, etc, and is not facing my face is huge. If TouchID were removed and I had to use my face to unlock my phone, I'd have to pick up the phone every time, or lean over in the car seat so it can see my face (and hope my sunglasses don't confuse it), etc.

FaceID would be a cute novelty in addition to TouchID, but not as a replacement. It would be a huge degradation in user experience.

 

[thope]

face id is pos and I will never like it. Except in winter maybe.

 

[SwissGuy93]

I can't imagine it works as well, your fingerprints don't change much (there obviously are burns or injuries) but people's appearance changes, for example you can grow or shave a beard, women will wear makeup but may want to use their phones with or without it. people may switch between glasses and contacts, part of your face may be covered with a scarf in cold weather...

Make up should be no issue unless you glue prostetics to your face, as it is mapped and not photographed. A beard should also be no problem, as you have enough features of your face that will not change. And you don't grow a beard over night. So if AI works with Face ID like it did with Touch ID I don't see a problem.
Glasses and contacts should also not be a problem, again enough other features. And when it's so cold that you need a scarf around your face you'd probably also wear gloves. So Touch ID wouldn't work either.

 

[arkitect]

Make up should be no issue unless you glue prostetics to your face, as it is mapped and not photographed.

I've said it before, so at the risk of repeating myself, Halloween 2017 is going to be quite a test.

 

[LoveToMacRumors]

I just hope
It works with glasses

 

[SwissGuy93]

I've said it before, so at the risk of repeating myself, Halloween 2017 is going to be quite a test.

True ;P What are we going to call it? Hallowegate?
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I'm excited for it as well.

FaceID (or whatever) is no replacement for TouchID, though. There are many times I unlock my phone via TouchID where having to use my face instead would be a huge inconvenience. As just one example, the number of times I unlock my phone when it's sitting on my desk, or sitting in a mount, etc, and is not facing my face is huge. If TouchID were removed and I had to use my face to unlock my phone, I'd have to pick up the phone every time, or lean over in the car seat so it can see my face (and hope my sunglasses don't confuse it), etc.

FaceID would be a cute novelty in addition to TouchID, but not as a replacement. It would be a huge degradation in user experience.

I have read reports where the phone would even be able to unlock it while it is laying on the table. And I am absolutely sure Apple has thought about that.

 

[Kiimora]

I am open to new features with improved security

 

[SwissGuy93]

Reasons why Face ID could have difficulty
-Hats
-Glasses
-Sunglasses
-Dark/dim lighting
-difference facial expressions
-different angles
-having to hold your phone just right in front of your face
-spoofing through photos
-growth/trim of facial hair
-having to hold your phone still to capture (time consuming)


These are just a few reasons I thought of off the top of my head. Are all of these insurmountable? Maybe, maybe not. However I think these are all challenging enough that it would be absolutely magic if Apple could manage a 99% success rate through all these situations. My point is fingerprint will almost certainly be needed as a fallback.

I've heard Rene Ritchie of iMore talk about his hopes of a future where the iPhone will be always be aware of if it's you through a multitude of factors. Fingerprints, Face, Iris, your normal walking gate, proximity to your wearable, all sorts of different things that it's constantly tracking to be assured that you are you. No unlocked required. And then if anything ever changes which causes your iPhone to doubt it's you, it will use some specific measure to authenticate.

I can garantuee you that those Options above will not be an issue. Do you really think Apple has not thought about that?
The angle and the time for the caputring will not be a problem. It will work seemlessly, like it did with Touch ID back in the day. Remember, when you had to drag your finger over the finger print scanner on the Galaxy S5? We never had such issues with the iPhone. And that is why it's illogical to compare the facial recognition / iris scanning with Face ID.

 

[9594864]

...or a dark environment.

You don't understand the technology.
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I Definitely see Iris scanning being a huge part of our future. I don't know how this will play into effect, but with touch ID and Iris scanning, I wonder if they both could coexist.

It's not Iris scanning.......... it scans your face.
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I've said it before, so at the risk of repeating myself, Halloween 2017 is going to be quite a test.

Oh lord noooooo some people will have to type in a pin code for a few hours 1 day of the year. The humanity!!!!
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face id is pos and I will never like it. Except in winter maybe.

This guy knows what he's talking about, I can tell

 

[SwissGuy93]

...or a dark environment.

It's infrared. Can you turn on your TV in the dark? Yep. So Face ID will also work in the dark.

Guys, do you really think Apple has not thought about the most obvious things? Beards, in the dark, make-up, glasses, hats, sorry but it really doesn't take a genius to keep stuff like that in mind.

 

[9594864]

I'm excited for it as well.

FaceID (or whatever) is no replacement for TouchID, though. There are many times I unlock my phone via TouchID where having to use my face instead would be a huge inconvenience. As just one example, the number of times I unlock my phone when it's sitting on my desk, or sitting in a mount, etc, and is not facing my face is huge. If TouchID were removed and I had to use my face to unlock my phone, I'd have to pick up the phone every time, or lean over in the car seat so it can see my face (and hope my sunglasses don't confuse it), etc.

FaceID would be a cute novelty in addition to TouchID, but not as a replacement. It would be a huge degradation in user experience.

The problem with your assumption is that you don't know how Face ID works. You don't know if the infrared sensors are capturing wide-angle information range. For example, the device may only need your face to be in say a 150° angle from the sensor, in which case you could almost have the device exactly perpendicular to your face and it would still gather enough information to unlock.
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It's infrared. Can you turn on your TV in the dark? Yep. So Face ID will also work in the dark.

Guys, do you really think Apple has not thought about the most obvious things? Beards, in the dark, make-up, glasses, hats, sorry but it really doesn't take a genius to keep stuff like that in mind.

Yeah, they don't understand infrared light, what it is, what it's been used for in previous technology, etc. They don't understand that a beard and glasses wouldn't do anything either. Even with those it would still detect enough reference points to unlock and be more secure than Touch ID probably.
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As technology stands today facial recognition is beatable and in many situations doesn't work as Mad Mac Maniac mentioned
Facial recognition combined with Touch ID would be a secure solution excepted by financial institutions

Except you have no idea what you're talking about. Facial recognition that uses the correct sensors is not 'beatable'.

 

[SwissGuy93]

The problem with your assumption is that you don't know how Face ID works. You don't know if the infrared sensors are capturing wide-angle information range. For example, the device may only need your face to be in say a 150° angle from the sensor, in which case you could almost have the device exactly perpendicular to your face and it would still gather enough information to unlock.
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Yeah, they don't understand infrared light, what it is, what it's been used for in previous technology, etc. They don't understand that a beard and glasses wouldn't do anything either. Even with those it would still detect enough reference points to unlock and be more secure than Touch ID probably.

Thank you. My exact words. But I can't wait until Tuesday. Of course because we get to see the phone in all it's glory, but actually more so that this guessing and rumor stuff finally comes to an end. Normally I really like it but this year was just way too much. Most of all because everything was just based on reports (until the HomePod OS dropped).

 

[9594864]

if it actually worked, like unlocked before i realize it fast, then i would be fine with it. it should also have a fingerprint scanner somewhere like the side, could be the same material as the MBP touchid button. people need options.

People don't need options. They need the most intelligent people to give them the correct option.

 

[44267547]

It's not Iris scanning.......... it scans your face.

Please, when quoting someone, Look at the date (02/24/2017) of my post you quoted me on regarding Iris scanning. You quoted me on a post over seven months old, which Iris scanning was one of the more current rumors at the time. That's what I referring to, NOT Face ID. Here is the link for reference, which was the one of the most relevant rumors at the time.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/10/iphone-8-iris-scanner-digitimes-rumor/amp/

As of today, Clearly we know Face ID is the primary at this point.

 

[eoblaed]

True ;P What are we going to call it? Hallowegate?
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I have read reports where the phone would even be able to unlock it while it is laying on the table. And I am absolutely sure Apple has thought about that.

I hope it ends up being at least as convenient as TouchID. We'll see!
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The problem with your assumption is that you don't know how Face ID works. You don't know if the infrared sensors are capturing wide-angle information range. For example, the device may only need your face to be in say a 150° angle from the sensor, in which case you could almost have the device exactly perpendicular to your face and it would still gather enough information to unlock.

All very true. And like I mentioned earlier, I'm waiting eagerly to see what gets announced on Tuesday and how it looks like it'll work. I just don't want a noticeable degradation in user experience/convenience over TouchID.

 

[DNichter]

I think it will be a better solution than Touch ID and I look forward to the change.

 

[mikosk]

...or a dark environment.

I would think this would be a problem that even Apple can't overcome without some flash or external light? Plus if you turn off raise to wake, then you need to press a button to start the facial ID process, this just seems messy. Touch ID is hard to beat.

 

[ImBuz]

"I think it will be a better solution than Touch ID and I look forward to the change."

Ad me to the list who think it is the way to go--can't wait to see it in action

 

[martin2345uk]

I would think this would be a problem that even Apple can't overcome without some flash or external light?

What are you talking about? Do you need a flashlight to allow your TV remote control to work in the dark?

 

[CTHarrryH]

What I am also concerned about it is working when I don't want it to. I happen to be holding my phone, etc. but not intending to pay with it but it goes ahead and pays automatically vs. having to do something with touch id. Standing next to the person paying but end up paying for them.
Also, will I have to wake up phone or what triggers the IR face scan.

 

[martin2345uk]

What I am also concerned about it is working when I don't want it to. I happen to be holding my phone, etc. but not intending to pay with it but it goes ahead and pays automatically vs. having to do something with touch id.

I think... think... that Apple just might have thought of this.