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What if Face ID works BETTER Than Touch ID for iPhone 8? Would you miss Touch ID ?
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Sorry, macrumors is awful and starts you on the oldest page after quoting someone, so I thought your post was actually on the final page
There might be a big reason why power button is longer because you may have to interact with it more than we're used to...not just for turn on/off. My assumption is that you may have to double click power button like apple watch to bring up Apple pay, by that time it would have scanned your face already and you're ready to pay with your phone. No Touch ID needed.
I think this makes a lot of sense. It is rumored to also invoke Siri. I am expecting Apple to make Face ID as unitrusive as possible, potentially scanning your face without you even knowing or realizing. Probably just a quick animation. Then you’re on your way with either going to the home screen or using Apple Pay. The only thing I’m not super thrilled about or can’t envision how it will work yet is how do you get out of an app and back to the home screen?
I have 2 outcomes I’m hoping for here:
1 - Touch ID still present - it’s such a core feature and one that works fantastic. Move it to the power button somehow?
2 - Apple does to face unlock what they did to fingerprints with Touch ID. I’m less hopeful of this, but if they can leapfrog the competition and make Touch ID not needed then fine. But there’s a lot of examples I can think of where it may not work as well.
If neither of those happens and we lose Touch ID and get the same face unlock tech that’s in the S8 then I can’t really think I’d drop $1,000 on something less convenient than what I’m holding right now. But like I said, Apple has thought of all this and surely one of the two things above happens.
1 - Touch ID still present - it’s such a core feature and one that works fantastic. Move it to the power button somehow?
2 - Apple does to face unlock what they did to fingerprints with Touch ID. I’m less hopeful of this, but if they can leapfrog the competition and make Touch ID not needed then fine. But there’s a lot of examples I can think of where it may not work as well.
If neither of those happens and we lose Touch ID and get the same face unlock tech that’s in the S8 then I can’t really think I’d drop $1,000 on something less convenient than what I’m holding right now. But like I said, Apple has thought of all this and surely one of the two things above happens.
iOS on iPad has app switcher where if you touch on home screen it goes to home without even pressing home button. I'm sure there's a new gesture for the new iPhone. I don't have iOS 11 on iPhone so can't test this theory.
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Touch ID in the power button is nearly impossible for it's size, I'm sure part for this should've been leaked if this is the case but I highly doubt it.
There are some videos about how they are rumored to be implementing a bar at the bottom of the screen. You drag it up to return home. Everything would be gesture based.
I agree but I'm still holding out hope. It will be really frustrating if they remove Touch ID when it's such a great piece of tech and they just late last year placed it in their MacBooks. Unless they can somehow make Face ID or whatever basically as good as Touch ID.
Can't say I'm not a little bit concerned with the change because Touch ID is almost flawless and works for me literally 99.99% of the time.
If we're going by rumors, Apple did not want to get rid of it, they wanted to place it under the screen but couldn't. I'm just hoping Face ID is not intrusive and becomes the new Touch ID usability wise.
If we're going by rumors, Apple did not want to get rid of it, they wanted to place it under the screen but couldn't. I'm just hoping Face ID is not intrusive and becomes the new Touch ID usability wise.
If they do a 'one more thing..we figured it out touchid is under the display'. I'll buy it!
I think Apple will leapfrog the competition. Remember the first finger scanner on a Galaxy device (think it was the S5)? You had to drag your finger in the right angle of the sensor. But you had to be carefull that you weren't to fast. And with Touch ID it just worked. Even upside down, different angles of your finger etc. So I guess it's not impossible to think that Apple will leapfrog once again. Especially since there have been reports indicating exactly that.
I don't recall seeing a removal of 3D touch, I wouldn't think that would happen. And I guess partly, you could say yes. We aren't getting Touch ID so we should probably look towards a potentially better solution to replace it. From everything we have heard so far (granted), it sounds like Face ID could be a seamless way to authenticate your phone without you having to do anything. I think this would be a huge step forward in security for your phone. I am at least open to seeing it as a better solution. Apple has some smart people working for them.
What if I am on my bike and I wear a helmet and want to stop for a minute to check something on my phone? What if I ski and I use a face mask? What if I am wearing a bandanna and large sunglasses? And a bunch other scenarios where my face is covered. Even so, it will never be faster than Touch ID. When I place my phone out of my pocket and I touch the button, the phone is already open before it even reaches my line of sight...
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I guess you could use a passcode in those few, not very often, scenarios. Or you don't buy the phone if you plan on riding or skiing every day? I am not sure they can make a phone that is 100% ideal in 100% of scenarios. In your last situation, maybe you just reach into your pocket and bring the phone up as you normally would and it's unlocked and ready to go, no reason to place your finger on one specific spot while in your pocket. I don't know, these are just examples, but I think it's a bit short sighted to say it can't be faster.
then you are probably wearing gloves too..
Haha, I didn't even think of that. Good point!
then you are probably wearing gloves too..
Yes on that scenario you are correct, but my intent was to focus on the number of times people wear things that cover part of their face. Sunglasses is an everyday item and hat as well. People who ride bikes wear helmets, all in all my point is that it is a step back.
When your helmet covers all of your face, then you are wearing it wrong ;P jk, it probably won't be an issue. You also don't need your whole fingerprint to unlock your phone with Touch ID. It will be the same with Face ID. Even if you are wearing glasses and a helmet your mouth, cheecks, chin and nose will still be visible. That will probably be enough reference points for it to be unlocked. Face ID will not be your standard unlocking. We will not have to hold the phone in a certain angle or anything like that. And it will not compare your face to a stactic picture like a lot of other phones do. It will probably create some sort of 3D map of your face. And combined with AI (like with Touch ID) it'll get to know your face more and more while using it.
And if I should be honest I don't see why Touch ID will be missed that much. Yeah, Touch ID is great, but we don't know how well Face ID will work. I don't share all of your pessimistic outlooks, especially because Apple has proven us wrong time and time again. A lot of people were sceptical when Touch ID was first rumored and look at it now; The competition is still trying to catch up with it.
And lastly; how can you already now call it a step back? We don't know how it works, but Apple's past security systems show, that Face ID will be very convienent, secure and fast.
If we go by the rumors, and apple removed it from iphone8 due to time constraints and manufacturing issues, then it looks like apple originally wanted touch ID to be part of Iphone8. And for Apple to want this, there has to be a reason, like, i dont know, Face ID not being 100% functional under all situations.
Have you actually ever used apple pay? It sounds like you haven't. You have to bring the device to the pay point. It doesn't have the range to do what you fear.
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All burqas look the same. Maybe they aren't allowed iPhones so all is good.
That is why I hate reports like that. Do you really think Apple ditched the Touch ID sensor this year or even in the last couple months like the report indicated? That is highly doubtful. Apple does not just change things up this close to the release. A fundamental change in the security aspect of one of their devices? And WSJ is not really known for their accuracy when it comes to things like that. Let's think about the logistics here; The report claimed that the descision has been made recently. That would indicate, that no order for the components had been placed, and what if they had gone throught with it? Where would they get the estimated 40 Mio scanners? You just don't change the production line like that so close to the release. Especially if it would compromise the security or the convienence of the phone. We are talking about changing the firmware, hardware and internal architecture. There might be delays but it for sure is not because Apple dropped Touch ID last minute.
And just fyi, Touch ID is also not 100% functional under all situations.
I don't really see how it could be better. I know that some people have problems with TouchID, but for me, it has pretty much worked perfectly since day 1 with the iPhone 5s. And I like the idea of having to deliberately do something (ie. touch the home button) to unlock my phone or authorize purchases, rather than just have the phone pointed at my face.
You will still have to wake your phone to unlock it. Why does everyone think it'll just unlock and bam everyone can access the phone. If Apple really implements this feature it will proably scan your face at all times when it is on the lock / notification screen (the reason why both things have been merged in iOS 11). As for payments, you will for sure have to press some kind of button to authorize the payment. And with Apple Pay you have to hold it near the reader.
Man, for tech lovers you guys here sure are nostalgic and afraid of change. I am actually surprised that Apple didn't come and ask you all what they should do. Y'all sure as f seem to now how everything works already.