iPod touch What should be in the second generation iPod touch?

[iMacmatician]

Personally, I'd like to read PDF documents on my Touch but I'm dubious the screen res is up to it unless the books are specifically formatted for small pages.

So would I. Such a feature may be kept for the rumored mini-tablet though.

Or since it's a "2nd generation" question, why don't we just double everything:

Double the RAM for the same money.
Double the processor speed.
Double the screen area (not length and width). Don't forget to increase the resolution.
Double the ways it can connect to the internet.
Half the weight.
Twice the built-in (included) apps.
Double, then double again the available case colors.

Then include 2 in every package! Buy one, get one for a friend or lover.

Just a thought.

You forgot to double the price.

 

[tsice19]

In order to add side buttons, they'd have to make the iPod touch wider. If they just added buttons now, it wouldn't be in the least way ergonomic.

Anything else is an iPhone feature or is not suitable for the iPod line-up.

And FM radio? C'mon. Everyone knows FM radio sucks.

 

[iMacmatician]

Anything else is an iPhone feature or is not suitable for the iPod line-up.

What do you mean "iPhone feature"? Don't tell me it's differentiation.

And FM radio? C'mon. Everyone knows FM radio sucks.

No.

 

[bloodycape]

Anything else is an iPhone feature or is not suitable for the iPod line-up.

And FM radio? C'mon. Everyone knows FM radio sucks.

Maybe in your area. For some of us we get football and even baseball on FM, and that can be handy when we our out somewhere and there is no t.v., radio or wifi to slingbox it. Then there is the people who enjoy NPR and other fine talk radio stations. I would say HD radio is better, but since most people are so obsessed with a device not being bulky that won't happen.

 

[linkycat]

Am I the only person still craving after all these years an iPod with a microphone?

At least make a plug-in microphone that is licensed and supported without hacking the thing...

 

[The Tuck]

I'd get one if they added a camera, speakers, and GPS. That's probably not going to happen, though.

 

[tsice19]

Nope. All FM radio on an iPod would do is bulk it up.

Besides, if I don't want to listen to my iPod, that's what I have SIRIUS satellite radio for (EDIT: Or Pandora or Last FM)

I suppose if you live in a giant city FM might be of use. But not in the suburbs (at least for me)

 

[tsice19]

What do you mean "iPhone feature"? Don't tell me it's differentiation.

Actually that's exactly what I'm telling you. This thread is speculating what is going to be in the next generation touch. So I'm just being practical.

Apple wants to sell iPhones more than an iPod touch. So why would they allow iPod touch users to have everything an iPhone user has minus cell service? Like it or not, it's the truth.

The iPod touch is an iPod. Not an iPhone. It will always be an iPod, so stop hoping for all these features in the iPhone. You are not going to get a camera, or GPS, or anything like that. And when has Apple EVER offered FM radio in anything?

Do I like that Apple is this way? No. But it's the truth.

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[musok]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/530728/ there is this topic here too... i'll just copy paste what i said:

Ok, here is my statement.
For those who say there won't be an ipod touch on the next keynote... i don't believe that... some of the stores are already making new prices and since they have to do something with the other two ipods and since they've remade iphone already and are about to launch the new computers too... it lacks ipod touch! ipod touch will suffer anything.
Steve Jobs has to do a something different. All of we know that everytime he launches anything it has something to make us just go
So... there will be difference!
Where? From common sense i may say it will launch gps, gps is like a simple chip, for them, it won't cost much and since they sell a lot of iphones/ipods they must have a standard logical board to get more profit! So, for me they will take the iphone's logical board... it wont have 3g of course because then they could have phone and iphones would lose but more certain... gps chip! that i think it will really have.
Other thing about... camera! Since they will use (on my sense, not a fact) the same logical board... they won't lose much on the camera! I think that that won't affect the iphone. Iphone will always be more expensive and then other thing... people buy iphone so they don't have to carry a lot of stuff on pockets. So the difference should be on 3g and GSM, camera won't affect! There must be a low price choice for the people! Camera is a positive point!
Apple always redesign their stuff... so... maybe a simple one but... there will be, maybe a reduction of size! not much but some so they can present more stuff on the keynote
I think these are the changes! Please refute if you think i'm wrong.

 

[iMacmatician]

Nope. All FM radio on an iPod would do is bulk it up.

Then let's have a reasonably priced option for one.

Actually that's exactly what I'm telling you. This thread is speculating what is going to be in the next generation touch. So I'm just being practical.

Wrong. The thread title is "What should be in the next generation iPod touch?" with a first post as a wishlist.

Apple wants to sell iPhones more than an iPod touch. So why would they allow iPod touch users to have everything an iPhone user has minus cell service?

WHY? Who would pay $2000 for speakers and a camera?

The iPod touch is an iPod. Not an iPhone. It will always be an iPod, so stop hoping for all these features in the iPhone. You are not going to get a camera, or GPS, or anything like that.

And all Apple would get is a loss in sales.

Do I like that Apple is this way? No. But it's the truth.

I know that! But this is our opinion, not necessarily what Apple would put in!

 

[tsice19]

Then let's have a reasonably priced option for one.

Never going to happen. Maybe an attachment for the bottom.

Wrong. The thread title is "What should be in the next generation iPod touch?" with a first post as a wishlist.

OK. Regardless, I'm telling you what is going to be in the next generation iPod touch.

WHY? Who would pay $2000 for speakers and a camera?

I'm not talking about monthly use. I'm saying, if you want an iPhone (and it's features) you're going to buy an iPhone. If they start selling iPod touches with those features, they'll lose iPhone sales.

Apple is a company who wants to sell iPhones. Not iPod touches. So they do NOT care if you have to pay a monthly fee for those features. Not to mention, they need to distinguish product features. You can't argue with me. You know it's the truth.

 

[4DThinker]

I'm betting they will either lower the price and leave the hardware the same, perhaps simply adding a 64gb version (or 48gb just to be unique), or

Leave the prices the same for each memory model, but add some little hardware feature. Anything the iPhone has that the Touch doesn't would be welcome, as then more apps will work with both the iPhone and the Touch. There are a growing number of apps that are using location, and so a cheap GPS chip makes sense even if it never does navigation.

The iPhone has a camera. Adding one to the Touch would require more hardware/case modification including a whole new line of cases. Very unlikely.

There are 1/2 dozen voice recorder apps, and a mic wouldn't be hard to add. The connections are already there internally. I'd say this one is a 50% chance.

Speaker? Not if it gets a mic. I doubt Apple wants an easy VOIP app competing with the iPhone.

Then there is bluetooth. Two things make me hope Apple adds this to the Touch. One: Sony, Samsung, Philips, and Insignia all have bluetooth 2.0 available on their high end models. It's not an expensive chip to add. Two: More cars are coming with bluetooth receivers. Save the cost of adding ipod dock connectors to cars by simply adding a cheap bluetooth receiver to the car for a bluetooth enabled Touch.

 

[musok]

they want to sell iphones but at the same time they dont.
if that was they wishes they won't sell touches! They have to do two different paths! Not every person on planet preferes the iphone to the touch (considering the price) and even with gps chip and so, iphone still better than touch, it still have the gsm and the 3g! apple has to surprise customers on the touch, or it does that or it just "deletes" touch! If they keep touch they have to consider to improve it, the easier way and more profitable for them is to follow some of the iphone characteristiques.

4D is right about camera, its practically hard for apple getting camera on touch. i think they will put GPS since is GPS chip is on the iphone logic board isn't hard to add it (apple will most certainly use the same logic board to get more profit on making stuff in series), just not adding the 3g and the gsm maybe instead of that the bluetooth and the mic but... i don't believe on the bluetooth idea...

 

[iMacmatician]

OK. Regardless, I'm telling you what is going to be in the next generation iPod touch.

Exactly. Which isn't the point of this thread.

I'm not talking about monthly use. I'm saying, if you want an iPhone (and it's features) you're going to buy an iPhone. If they start selling iPod touches with those features, they'll lose iPhone sales.

And I don't want an iPhone, I want an iPod touch. So why would I buy an iPhone again? Apple won't gain iPhone sales by crippling the iPod touch, they'll just lose iPod touch sales.

Not to mention, they need to distinguish product features.

Why? Isn't the phone enough?

You can't argue with me.

Yes I can. And you're losing, that's why you're saying that right?

You know it's the truth.

It's the truth, but is it the best way?

Apple apologists.

Anyway…

 

[Beric]

Exactly. Which isn't the point of this thread.

And I don't want an iPhone, I want an iPod touch. So why would I buy an iPhone again? Apple won't gain iPhone sales by crippling the iPod touch, they'll just lose iPod touch sales.

Why? Isn't the phone enough?

Yes I can. And you're losing, that's why you're saying that right?

It's the truth, but is it the best way?

Apple apologists.

Anyway…

Thank you, iMacmatician.

And "Apple apologists" LOL.

 

[iMacmatician]

Thank you, iMacmatician.

And "Apple apologists" LOL.

You're welcome.

I'm just as much an Apple fan as anyone else, but that doesn't mean we should defend everything Apple does, or agree with all their decisions and practices.

 

[tsice19]

Exactly. Which isn't the point of this thread.

And I don't want an iPhone, I want an iPod touch. So why would I buy an iPhone again? Apple won't gain iPhone sales by crippling the iPod touch, they'll just lose iPod touch sales.

Well, they could gain iPhone sales. If someone wants the features of an iPhone, they'll buy an iPhone. But if they want the features of the iPhone on the iPod touch, they'll have to settle for an iPod touch.

Why? Isn't the phone enough?

Nope.

Yes I can. And you're losing, that's why you're saying that right?

No you can't. The only way you are going to be happy is if Apple removes the SIM from an iPhone, takes out the phone features, and sells it as an iPod touch.

It's the truth, but is it the best way?

Apple apologists.

Anyway…

Nope. It's not the best way. I don't agree with it. But unfortunately it's the iWay and if you want Apple products, you'll have to settle with it.

 

[ewacht]

When are the new Ipods coming out

When are the new Ipods coming out. I know sometime in September, but when. Also does anyone know what new Ipods are coming out, if there are any?

 

[iMacmatician]

Well, they could gain iPhone sales. If someone wants the features of an iPhone, they'll buy an iPhone. But if they want the features of the iPhone on the iPod touch, they'll have to settle for an iPod touch.

Exactly. They will settle for an iPod touch, not an iPhone. Or they'll go for a competing product (less likely).

Nope.

Oh sorry. I forgot the $2000 contract on it.

No you can't. The only way you are going to be happy is if Apple removes the SIM from an iPhone, takes out the phone features, and sells it as an iPod touch.

Maybe that's what it takes.

Nope. It's not the best way. I don't agree with it. But unfortunately it's the iWay and if you want Apple products, you'll have to settle with it.

Completely agree. (Just see some of my posts in other threads.) We want those features, but we won't get them. But I'll still get an iPod touch over anything else (besides the mini-tablet, if it's released) because it provides the best value for the least tradeoffs for me.

When are the new Ipods coming out. I know sometime in September, but when. Also does anyone know what new Ipods are coming out, if there are any?

It looks like early-to-mid September, like in the past two years.

Basically rumors say multi-colored iPod nanos, portrait screen iPod nanos, and an iPod touch update that may be a very big update.

 

[rajalot]

My wish list:
- small speaker
- IR
- ability to lock the screen position

What I think will happen is the following:
- iPod classic will be cancelled and iPod touch will get 80/160Gb HDD models

Honestly that's the only way to keep on innovating while not messing product segmentation. Click-wheel is so last year.

 

[musok]

i don't think so... Classic is... the apple classic! since the beginning apple used classic. Ipod touch can get to the same sizes of 80 gb and so but for like the double of the price of the classic but i do think they'll make some change to the classic like touch-screen. click wheel still one really nice thing of apple and is like a trademark already! like the one button mouse! ehhe.
Small speaker... i think they won't give us that, there is no need, ipod touch still a personal object they would lose time on trying to give something that doesn't have much functionality for the most of the people who buys. On the other way... it would be nice to show portfolios with sound!
IR? No, it wont have! It would be easier to get bluetooth on it. Bluetooth is the actual future around and even now is getting replaced by wifi. For ir they would have to change some parts of the case, there would take more internal space than the bluetooth for example on the logic board and even on case space so (of course that if apple puts it, it has to be top IR! not one of those with one led)... So, i don't really think it will ever have IR.
Lock screen position? Like what?

 

[TheSpaz]

I think it would be nice to see the following in an iPod touch:

Camera
Speakers
Microphone
GPS
Mute Switch
Volume Buttons

Oh, wait... then it wouldn't be an iPod.

iPod touch users must live with the fact that it's never going to be an iPhone. If they wanted an iPhone, they would've bought one. The fact is, us iPhone owners have to pay more because we have a monthly bill while iPod users pay once (or for software updates) and it costs a fraction of the cost of owning an iPhone (over time).

 

[musok]

you're wrong thespaz, you still have 3g, 2.5g, Edge and GSM thats why the iphone is better the things you said are just some more upgrades for an apple section! iphone still better even if itouch gets those stuff... you pay the iphone ok, but you pay 3g, 2.5g, Edge and GSM those are more expensive than the stuff you said all together!

 

[dasikes]

Just a suggestion:

Looking at all of these features (minus GPS), many can be fulfilled by simply getting a previous-generation iPhone from a friend, and using it as an iPod.

Just sayin'.

 

[musok]

design is different and many people doesnt have access to iphones like that! on ebay you can get a touch for 150e so... 200 dollars i think