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Actually Bootcamp doesn't support eGPUs unfortunately...

Not true. My Thunderbolt 3 connected RX570 works flawlessly using Windows via Bootcamp on my 2018 Mac Mini. That includes full graphics acceleration.
 
The first MacBook Pro with Intel chip and the first iMac with Intel chip were almost identical to the computers they replaced in appearance.

But with the Arm chip, I wonder if they will still include a fan?
Depends. Right now you can get a low-end MacBook with just dual core, and you could replace that processor with a fanless processor from an iPad. But anything faster I think fanless would limit your speed. Also because a laptop often sits on a desk, and that makes it harder to cool than an iPad that you hold in your hand, with plenty of movement and airflow.
 
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I'm curious about the video conversion capabilities of the AS Macs.
Benchmarks are not everything and I'm not convinced that any ARM processor can really challenge/beat an x-64 if you, say, start a 4~5 hours ProResRAW --> h265 conversion.
Even more so if there's no active cooling.

The T2 chip was able to handle such a task, but I've never seen the result (I know it's fast, but is it any good?).

Any rumor about a video compression co-processor, that would hopefully not fry computer if it's a 100% passive cooling system?
I've seen some demos on the MaxTech YouTube channel showing the new iPads exporting H.264/H.265 from LumaFusion considerably faster than a MacBook Pro (can't recall if 13" or 16", but it was impressive).

I think Apple Silicon Macs will be good, provided they are given adequate cooling to maintain clock speeds without throttling.
 
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If it is a MBA, does anybody expect it to have the same issue regarding heat as I’ve heard about with current MBA?

If I may recommend an interesting review link, Linus Tech tips took apart a 2020 MacBookAir, examining it's particular cooling problem from an engineering standpoint. There is a theory, which sounds Not Crazy, that Apple has been working so long and diligently on preparing their machines for Apple Silicon, and the 2020 Air was intended to be the first recipient of the chip. It perhaps was not ready, and they had retro-fit an i3 for the low-end instead.

OR, if you are into real conspiracies, intentionally gimped the 2020 Air with an i3, so that next week with an A14 chip in there, they can crow about how many xxx% it is faster, cooler, more efficient, etc.
 
I've seen some demos on the MaxTech YouTube channel showing the new iPads exporting H.264/H.265 from LumaFusion considerably faster than a MacBook Pro (can't recall if 13" or 16", but it was impressive).

I think Apple Silicon Macs will be good, provided they are given adequate cooling to maintain clock speeds without throttling.

I checked the specs (foolish me, I should have done it before posting)

Indeed, there's a video decoding/encoding engine in the chip... but it seems it's on the GPU side, as with most APUs on the market.

Curious to see real-life performance compared to Quicksync on AMD's encoding engine.
Even Nvidia's NVenc isn't that great.
Fast, yes. But quality and file size are nothing to write home about.
They seem to be more tuned for live streaming.
 
My iPad Pro 2018 is faster than my MacBook Pro 15.4 i7 2018 at exporting / converting 4k video files from Adobe Rush so I’m pretty certain Apple Silicon macs with ample Ram (cw iPad) and probably higher tdp A14x equivalent will cream the intel i9

My main worry is the thermals to be honest.
Practically any processor, be it an APU or not, can handle video exporting tasks at various levels or performance.
Heck, I still managed to do very decent MT2S/MKV --> h264 encodings with my 2009 Core2Duo iMac using Handbrake. It was long but it worked.
You just needed 8 hours to spare on the average :)

But the iMac had a rather good cooling system, all things considered.

Not sure I would try the same folly with a MacBook Air with passive colling.
 
There's really only a handful of desktop apps that I use regularly that are not available via the App Store yet but I don't see developers being happy about locked into the the Apple Payment System on both iOS and MacOS.

The fact that some very popular apps are available for Windows platform as well I think is the decisive factor for Apple keeping MacOS "unlocked". I they could though, I have no doubt, they would.

The app store is convenient, not going to deny that.
My 2 main pet peeves are :

1 - it made it way more difficult to get a fully working time-limited version for demo purpose. What if I want to try the software before buying it?

2 - Apple's sometimes/often rather arbitrary life and death policy about what can and cannot be on the app store. Case point, among others : emulators, that I briefly mentioned in another post.
I know it's a touchy topic, as it's difficult to talk about game emulators without talking about roms/ISOs and their, well, murky legality.
Still, is it a reason for banning emulators altogether?
 
I absolutely hope so. Apple would obviously face a revolt.

But if they did lock down their system like iOS, but one which also runs Xcode for Mac-based apps, I also suspect many people would defend it. "Steve Jobs said PCs are trucks and this is better because it's a tailored, curated experience. It's safer…"

Would developers complain? Obviously, it would backstab open-source. But commercial developers who had a massive, captured audience who had no alternative to installing open-source software? Would they play along if meant they made money?

I have been vocal in my revolt at the idea of an iPad as a "laptop replacement." Well, no. You can't really code. You can't really do whatever you want on it. Only what apps you can get through iOS. And you're tracked like a collared bear. Microsoft was hated and sued in the 90s for making far-less proprietary systems. Apple reserves the right to kick anybody off their platform. I don't dispute this right. It is a closed, proprietary system. They use their right to keep a closed system.

I already think iCloud in Catalina is extremely annoying at how it pops up everywhere and won't take no for an answer.

Many big brains and serious developers would absolutely ditch the Mac platform if they decided to keep it closed to non-app code. Who does Apple benefit from, though? 95% of their base will not ditch the Mac for GNU/Linux on PCs.

But if Apple Silicon runs well and the platform allows them to compete on cost? They might expect to double their Mac user base. In which case they know the developers will play along to make money, no matter what. "If you want to whine about installing what you want, go buy a Clevo and put Arch on it! Good luck with that!"

I have been saying the same for years (not on this forum, obviously), and been called a fear-monger or a Cassandra, among less pleasant names.

As someone with a long dislike/hate relationship with Gatekeeper and its tendency to switch back on by itself, even after I disabled it, I'm less than thrilled with the idea that MacOS could turn into a second IOS.

Indeed, Apple can do whatever they want on their platform. Not denying that.
But it's more than extremely annoying to end up with a device that doesn't let you do/install what you want because Apple said so.

The problem I always saw with that, and I always asked the ones who defend the tightly closed environment is : where do you draw the limit? Where is the limit between what is acceptable and not? Will the limit change over time and, if so, what will be the next step?

Or should we all give up already and rename Siri? If so, HAL would be fitting.

- Siri, order a pack of cookies on [insert name of shop here]
- I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. The Apple Watch told me you ate 2 pieces of chocolate cake last weekend.


Of course I exaggerate for the sake of making a point. But who knows where the rabbit hole will go if we're not careful -- and that's the same for Microsoft or other tech giants.
 
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Depends. Right now you can get a low-end MacBook with just dual core, and you could replace that processor with a fanless processor from an iPad. But anything faster I think fanless would limit your speed. Also because a laptop often sits on a desk, and that makes it harder to cool than an iPad that you hold in your hand, with plenty of movement and airflow.

Since power is going to be a big point that Apple would have to backup, by offering proof. ten that could be more Mac may not need to have a fan, if less heat can be generated

Didn't they do that on the 12 inch Mac ?

If Silicon could reduce power and battery life improvements, then should be interesting. Nothing would go below 10 hours.
 
If I may recommend an interesting review link, Linus Tech tips took apart a 2020 MacBookAir, examining it's particular cooling problem from an engineering standpoint. There is a theory, which sounds Not Crazy, that Apple has been working so long and diligently on preparing their machines for Apple Silicon, and the 2020 Air was intended to be the first recipient of the chip. It perhaps was not ready, and they had retro-fit an i3 for the low-end instead.

OR, if you are into real conspiracies, intentionally gimped the 2020 Air with an i3, so that next week with an A14 chip in there, they can crow about how many xxx% it is faster, cooler, more efficient, etc.
I'm guessing they'll continue saying how much faster it is than PC laptops as they have been with their marketing for the iPads rather than compare to other Macs--especially since they'll continue selling Intel Macs for a while. Although, when they transitioned to Intel I do think they made comparisons to the PPC Macs, so not sure. If they switch the entire laptop lineup at once maybe they'll make that comparison. But if they only switch their lower end laptops and continue selling the higher end 16-inch MBP with Intel chips, they probably won't want to make comparisons to the previous generations of Macs, as it seems like the Apple silicon Macs are destined to outpace even the current high end Intel 16 MBP.
 
I'm guessing they'll continue saying how much faster it is than PC laptops as they have been with their marketing for the iPads rather than compare to other Macs--especially since they'll continue selling Intel Macs for a while. Although, when they transitioned to Intel I do think they made comparisons to the PPC Macs, so not sure. If they switch the entire laptop lineup at once maybe they'll make that comparison. But if they only switch their lower end laptops and continue selling the higher end 16-inch MBP with Intel chips, they probably won't want to make comparisons to the previous generations of Macs, as it seems like the Apple silicon Macs are destined to outpace even the current high end Intel 16 MBP.

I wouldn't worry too much. Once Apple has enough devices out to prove their chips are better, we'll see comparisons galore.
 
The app store is convenient, not going to deny that.
My 2 main pet peeves are :

1 - it made it way more difficult to get a fully working time-limited version for demo purpose. What if I want to try the software before buying it?

2 - Apple's sometimes/often rather arbitrary life and death policy about what can and cannot be on the app store. Case point, among others : emulators, that I briefly mentioned in another post.
I know it's a touchy topic, as it's difficult to talk about game emulators without talking about roms/ISOs and their, well, murky legality.
Still, is it a reason for banning emulators altogether?

On point one, I agree, a FULLY working demo is problematic. But so is offering one in the first place can be equally so from a piracy point of view as many software cracks utilise a time limit bypass to unlock it forever.

Pretty sure though I've downloaded apps that simply came with a per minute time limit where you had to IAP which removed the limitation.

Emulators ... I suppose are a problem (as well as some other niche software) but a Mac kinda seems overkill for that particular task.

Locking down to app-store only would kill the MacOS desktop platform though.
 
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People have been saying this kind of nonsense for ten years. It’s not happening. In the end, the *only* difference between macos and ios will be that macos will let you run any software you want (though you may have to click through alerts or disable protections to make that happen).
Macs are for developers (Apple has millions enrolled, and depends on them for App Store revenue). And developers need Macs that can run Xcode and compilers, and that can test and debug any code. And Xcode allows anyone to run any code that they can compile on their Mac. So no lockdown is possible unless Apple is willing to shut down the App stores. Since it's a billion $$$ business for Apple now, ridiculously unlikely.
Then it is all good.
Hope it stays that in the future too.
 
The presentation on Nov 10 will have me decide to finally upgrade my 2014 MBA, or hold out for the rumored 14" MBP sometime in 2021. Wish I knew how long into 2021 a 14" would take...
I have a 2014 15" MBP, and my work bought me a decked-out 2016 16" MBP. I use my '14 twice as much as the new one. I just can't get used to the keyboard, and it's the "new and improved" one. I look forward to a complete redesign; here's hoping the new keyboard feels better and isn't one step closer to typing on glass.
 
I hope that with the savings in battery life due to the new CPU will result in higher refresh displays. Put in the same battery as the Intel MacBook Pro model. 60hz is not all that good looking in 2020.

The concern about 120hz battery drain is exaggerated and it can alleviate with a variable refresh rate panel for Macbook.
 
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You’re missing a lot. Apple has clearly and loudly stated they’re not merging ipads and macs. You’ll be able to install software outside the mac app store.
I am happy to hear that. Now let's hope one can use a MBP for as long as we are able to do now, rather than having it being due for replacement like the iPhone/Pad cycles in just a few years because the OS does not support some features in older models. Or new features that only work in new models.
 
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Fingers crossed for a Mac Mini with good gaming performance. I know the chance is low but that is what I am looking for.
 
Who would buy a MBP when they can get an iPad Pro with Mac OS .
Because they need more than one USB-C port?

One thing is sure: they will be locked down/soldered even more, than they were in the past.
Everything is already soldered. I don’t know what else there is to solder... cables to the side of the machine? Look a little like a white legged octopus?

I don't get people's obsession with smaller bezels. Is that really what sets a machine apart?
A lot of people came of age during the times when the iMac changed with EVERY iteration. Go find an image of the progression of iMacs, it was fairly dramatic differences. So, now that the iMac doesn’t change much anymore, it “feels” wrong to them. It’s not even as much about the bezels specifically as it is about the fact that the iMac should be changing more!
 
I'd like to see some software demos of the big ones like Photoshop and the office products. I use Apple's productivity apps, but it is important to see these ported to get an idea of performance.

I'd really like to see Parallels or VMware. I know performance will pale in comparison to the Intel Macs, but I want to get an idea what we are looking at, as in if there will every be hope it will be a reasonable solution. Were I not a developer dependent on it for same legacy products I would not care.
 
Anyone else still holding out hope for a 2020 Intel 16" MBP to be announced at this event? I purposefully passed on the AirPods promotion in the hopes that we'd get an update this year as has been rumored for so long. Perhaps if one isn't announced, the 2019 model will be discounted?

I just need to replace my old 15" MBP and I'm not ready to make the switch to ARM yet.
 
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