necromorph
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Hmm..so I'm expecting the new iMacs to be released when ML is released round about the 10th of July.
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Hmm..so I'm expecting the new iMacs to be released when ML is released round about the 10th of July.
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Razorhog
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I hope you're right about that. Through process of elimination, it's really the only thing left that would delay the refresh right?
Its just more rumours
Its just more rumours, and really, its silly to think posters here understand how CEO Cook thinks.
As far as protecting Apple's relationship with pro users, Apple should inform them of what they are going to do.
And Apple should have price protection in place. Price protection means that if someone buys an iMac a month before the new iMac is announced, the buyer gets a cash back. And dealers have their stock of iMacs lowered in cost, so they owe Apple less money for them. That would remove risk from Pros buying older gear, and encourage dealers to stock current iMacs without risk of a new machine being announced, that costs the same or less than today's iMacs, but being much faster, would cause the dealers to loose money. And dealers could then sell with good conscience too the current iMacs with price protection in place.
Its called good service Apple. Customer focused. Remember that? Customer focus means, giving your customers what they want. And communicating with them. Not with spin, but what they want to know, so they can plan, and make money.
Isn't that obvious Mr Cook? Customer focus please???
Again - Apple really should let people know what they are doing. It ain't so hard to inform your customers, what you intend to do for them. Its not as if there is a Power Computing out there, wrestling away Apple's hardware leadership. Because Apple produce their own hardware, they owe it to their customers to let them know what the future is.
Incidentally, cooling is perhaps an issue for the new iMacs, and from the new mac Pros, they've got clever in that area. So perhaps change there?
And the machines should be quick. The macbook Pros really are quick. I am not sure about the processors though ... anybody know which clock speed and processors they'll use, and what the speed will be compared to the macbook Pros?
Its just more rumours, and really, its silly to think posters here understand how CEO Cook thinks.
As far as protecting Apple's relationship with pro users, Apple should inform them of what they are going to do.
And Apple should have price protection in place. Price protection means that if someone buys an iMac a month before the new iMac is announced, the buyer gets a cash back. And dealers have their stock of iMacs lowered in cost, so they owe Apple less money for them. That would remove risk from Pros buying older gear, and encourage dealers to stock current iMacs without risk of a new machine being announced, that costs the same or less than today's iMacs, but being much faster, would cause the dealers to loose money. And dealers could then sell with good conscience too the current iMacs with price protection in place.
Its called good service Apple. Customer focused. Remember that? Customer focus means, giving your customers what they want. And communicating with them. Not with spin, but what they want to know, so they can plan, and make money.
Isn't that obvious Mr Cook? Customer focus please???
Again - Apple really should let people know what they are doing. It ain't so hard to inform your customers, what you intend to do for them. Its not as if there is a Power Computing out there, wrestling away Apple's hardware leadership. Because Apple produce their own hardware, they owe it to their customers to let them know what the future is.
Incidentally, cooling is perhaps an issue for the new iMacs, and from the new mac Pros, they've got clever in that area. So perhaps change there?
And the machines should be quick. The macbook Pros really are quick. I am not sure about the processors though ... anybody know which clock speed and processors they'll use, and what the speed will be compared to the macbook Pros?
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forty2j
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As far as we know..
If they were using AMD 7970m, it would probably be ready by now. But we're just looking at the common components. For all we know there's a delay on the super-secret low-glare screen they're putting on. Good luck finding any info on that.
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My chips are on July 10 as well.
Incidentally, though, last year there was a 6.5 week lag from WWDC keynote to Lion release. If it's the same this year, ML will be July 25.
I'm done waiting. My old 2008 doesn't cut it anymore. Which is why i went for a 27'' i7 3,4 with 2gb gfx memory and 2tb hd. It's expected to arrive next week. Feels good to be out of the refresh frenzy, and it will work good for some years to come.
I hope it all works out for you and that you get your refresh in a timely fashion.
I hope it all works out for you and that you get your refresh in a timely fashion.
Since both mbps and imacs are very similar internally, I believe the best way to 'predict' when apple is going to update the iMac is to have a look at the just updated macbook pro. So if the gpu is the only thing apple might be waiting for then when was the current GPU on the updated Macbook pros released? Because by knowing that we can have a better guess when apple will have the nvidia gpu ready to roll on the upcoming iMacs.
Yebubbleman
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Nah, Ivy Bridge and 1600MHz DDR3 are both nice improvements. Gamer-laptop-PC GPUs haven't come THAT far ahead from where they were over a year ago when that iMac first launched. The bump will be modest at best in terms of speed.
forty2j
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The Nvidia 650M on the new MBPs performs worse than last year's AMD 6970m in the currently-for-sale iMacs.
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.. Go check some benchmarks. Not the least bit "modest".
Yeah, im not talking about the 650m but the other one GTX680m i believe, But it we compare the time frame between when the 650 was available for users/companies to the time it was released on the new mbps and compare that to the release date of the gtx680m, then we can have an approx date of when ab updated imac can be released.
Yebubbleman
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That makes sense...the GPUs used in the iMac are meant for gaming laptops, a step above the type of GPUs used in something like a 15" MacBook Pro and a step below what you'd find on an actual video card meant for an actual desktop. Plus, unless I'm mistaken, the iMac literally used the best/most expensive/most powerful gamer laptop PC GPU that AMD made during the reign of the Radeon HD 6000M series. All in all this isn't at all surprising. Frankly, as the GeForce GT 650M outperforms the Radeon HD 6770M used in the last rev MacBook Pro, I'll feel like all is well as far as Apple's use of laptop GPUs goes.
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Sandy to Ivy is nowhere near as drastic as Arandale to Sandy or even Penryn to Arandale. I'm not saying that it's a nothing jump; just that it's nothing to crap your pants about.
I am waiting
just want to say that I don't have mac.
I want to buy one.
Now that I see that there is no refresh after wwdc, I will continue to wait.
I am not going to buy MBP as I don't need laptop.
I want big screen.
( while the tiny 15" screen can contain more pixels, every thing will be so small so it won't be comfortable to work for hours.)
from what I read and after apple clarification that the 2013 crises is for pro users only, I guess the new imac will come in july with ML.
otherwise I can't see any logic in what apple is doing.
so I will wait 3 more weeks.
( I waited 20 years with no mac I can wait another 3 weeks. 🙂 )
just want to say that I don't have mac.
I want to buy one.
Now that I see that there is no refresh after wwdc, I will continue to wait.
I am not going to buy MBP as I don't need laptop.
I want big screen.
( while the tiny 15" screen can contain more pixels, every thing will be so small so it won't be comfortable to work for hours.)
from what I read and after apple clarification that the 2013 crises is for pro users only, I guess the new imac will come in july with ML.
otherwise I can't see any logic in what apple is doing.
so I will wait 3 more weeks.
( I waited 20 years with no mac I can wait another 3 weeks. 🙂 )
Yebubbleman
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That's a very good point. No new Gamer Laptop PC GPU means no new iMac unless they use older stuff. Though I'd be shocked to see Apple switch the iMac to NVIDIA given that nine times out of ten, they use ATI/AMD.
forty2j
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That was true at the time the iMac was released.. Later the 6990m came out, and was not added to the iMac options.
Sandy to Ivy is like a 10-15% jump. But 6970m/580M to 7970m/680M is about 80-100%.
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Alienware is saying they'll have 680M's by the end of the month. Origin is saying early July.
So I just checked the 650m was released in march this year I do not know the exact date so lets say 10th, so thats about 3 months until apple released the macbook pro. If the gtx680m is being released early july then we can expect a release early october.
The current line of macbook pros have a new retina configuration so apple probably decided to wait a bit longer until the retina was "ready for consumers" (tested several times ,etc) and released them all together. Also WWDC was just up the road so they might as well have waited for the conference to announce the release.
I can guess like many of you, a retina imac wont see light this year and placing components on a AIO computer is easier than putting them on a laptop and retina/airlike laptop.
So I think mid july is plausible but late July-mid August is more likely. Anyways we are mid June already, so thats just a month ahead. If nothing happens then, well.. I am out of ideas.
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The current line of macbook pros have a new retina configuration so apple probably decided to wait a bit longer until the retina was "ready for consumers" (tested several times ,etc) and released them all together. Also WWDC was just up the road so they might as well have waited for the conference to announce the release.
I can guess like many of you, a retina imac wont see light this year and placing components on a AIO computer is easier than putting them on a laptop and retina/airlike laptop.
So I think mid july is plausible but late July-mid August is more likely. Anyways we are mid June already, so thats just a month ahead. If nothing happens then, well.. I am out of ideas.
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I thought 680m was already launched... And coming out in July meaning it will be released in a consumer product.
Dell / Allienware is late, because look this http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/avadirect-and-eurocom-laptops-hop-on-the-geforce-gtx-680m/
[UPDATE] Allienware has announced get 680M too http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/alienware-m17x-and-m18x-land-ne-nvidia-gtx680m-graphics-option/
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Razorhog
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I think it was just "announced" on the 4th. Availability is not the same thing, apparently.
I thought it was "launched", meaning it's already available, but not yet available within a computer for general consumers.
So Apple is waiting for the card to be available as well. Thats what the rumors before WWDC were saying, that apple was going gtx680 for the imac so it makes sense perfectly why there is no imac yet ^^
So it sounds like it's GPU we're waiting on. Reading that lowers my rage and increases my patience a little, as the proposed change will be a big video performance boost.
I'm hoping, and assuming, that no later than the ML release, we will see new specs in the iMac. I've been holding off, making the most of my poor old late-2007 white MacBook, waiting for a new iMac now that I no longer need a portable computer.
All I really care about is:
-Ivy Bridge update (Yes it's a "tick" but lower power consumption and less heat means it can operate at its "Turbo Boost" frequency much longer than Sandy Bridge, so I DO consider this a deal-breaker)
-USB 3 (I currently have a USB 3 compliant external HDD enclosure)
-Nvidia graphics chip
-HDMI / SD card slot would be a very welcome bonus, but I guess Apple wouldn't want to lose such money on Thunderbolt-to-HDMI converters!
Also, I see a lot of posts from people actually expecting a new design this year. To you I ask, what's wrong with the current iMac's appearance? Someone mentioned the "chin" at the bottom, but it bravely bears the Apple logo, and I don't think it looks bad at all. I agree with the predictions that a re-design will wait until 2013, because a 27" retina display doesn't seem feasible just yet, and in my opinion there would be no real purpose in re-designing the iMac's case until that time.
I'm hoping, and assuming, that no later than the ML release, we will see new specs in the iMac. I've been holding off, making the most of my poor old late-2007 white MacBook, waiting for a new iMac now that I no longer need a portable computer.
All I really care about is:
-Ivy Bridge update (Yes it's a "tick" but lower power consumption and less heat means it can operate at its "Turbo Boost" frequency much longer than Sandy Bridge, so I DO consider this a deal-breaker)
-USB 3 (I currently have a USB 3 compliant external HDD enclosure)
-Nvidia graphics chip
-HDMI / SD card slot would be a very welcome bonus, but I guess Apple wouldn't want to lose such money on Thunderbolt-to-HDMI converters!
Also, I see a lot of posts from people actually expecting a new design this year. To you I ask, what's wrong with the current iMac's appearance? Someone mentioned the "chin" at the bottom, but it bravely bears the Apple logo, and I don't think it looks bad at all. I agree with the predictions that a re-design will wait until 2013, because a 27" retina display doesn't seem feasible just yet, and in my opinion there would be no real purpose in re-designing the iMac's case until that time.
In terms of the iMac definitely coming out next month with mountain goat, are we thinking that the firewire port will still remain?
