What to expect from iMac 2012 - Discussion

[relentles67]

It won't just be a refresh

I can understand if people don't want to wait it is difficult to be patient and tempting to just buy the imac 2011.
At this point it is just plain stupid to do that except you invested extra in getting it with an ssd .
why ?

Forget about the new processor the real power increase will be a ssd standart configuration.

I would just be suprised if imac 2012 would not come with a minimum of 128gb ssd as standart.
Anyone who bought an imac now will be kicking them selfs as if you used an ssd
on a computer you never go back to a normal pc no matter how much memory or cpu.

You only have about a 2 week wait for the new imac to come out and trust me it just won't be a refresh it be a 500% increase in responsivenes due to the ssd per standart.

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I am holding out on an imac until the refresh, the macbook air I bought last week is helping me along. A 30" screen would look so amazing. Not sure if it would be a good idea, but still amazing.

Anyone who wants an Imac just be patienced it will be here in 2 weeks time
when the 273 days will be gone passed long time ago.

And I am quite sure it will incorporate an ssd per standart or if not for a few dollars more but nothing as expensive as now.

Don't kid yourself about it just being a refresh and ssd against a normal sata is just like comparing a vespa against a ferrari.


People just want to justify them being impacient I tell you that in 3 months time they be pissed of they did not wait and be trying to hassel extra cash together to have there imacs upgraded to an ssd.

 

[beosound3200]

I can understand if people don't want to wait it is difficult to be patient and tempting to just buy the imac 2011.
At this point it is just plain stupid to do that except you invested extra in getting it with an ssd .
why ?

Forget about the new processor the real power increase will be a ssd standart configuration.

I would just be suprised if imac 2012 would not come with a minimum of 128gb ssd as standart.
Anyone who bought an imac now will be kicking them selfs as if you used an ssd
on a computer you never go back to a normal pc no matter how much memory or cpu.

You only have about a 2 week wait for the new imac to come out and trust me it just won't be a refresh it be a 500% increase in responsivenes due to the ssd per standart.

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Anyone who wants an Imac just be patienced it will be here in 2 weeks time
when the 273 days will be gone passed long time ago.

And I am quite sure it will incorporate an ssd per standart or if not for a few dollars more but nothing as expensive as now.

Don't kid yourself about it just being a refresh and ssd against a normal sata is just like comparing a vespa against a ferrari.


People just want to justify them being impacient I tell you that in 3 months time they be pissed of they did not wait and be trying to hassel extra cash together to have there imacs upgraded to an ssd.

for imac to come out, ivy bridge needs to come out. the newest rumor is that ivy bridge will be revealed in march. i honestly dont think we'll see imac in two weeks time frame, im more inclined to believe imacs will be revealed in april.

 

[Hellhammer]

I would just be suprised if imac 2012 would not come with a minimum of 128gb ssd as standart.

There are several reasons why it won't:

1. Apple can't switch from 1TB HDs to 128GB SSDs. MBA was different because it never had more than a 120GB HD.

2. HD+SSD combo is too expensive. 128GB SSD costs around $150. The price of the components won't come down either so there is nothing that would compensate the addition of SSD. Raising the price isn't the best option, people can always opt for a BTO if they want an SSD.

You only have about a 2 week wait for the new imac to come out and trust me it just won't be a refresh it be a 500% increase in responsivenes due to the ssd per standart.

Stop spreading this nonsense. We won't see a new iMac until April/May. Why? Because there are no suitable components before that.

 

[ermir4444]

Then you can just take the ODD out and replace with something else, or just be a whiny-baby and not buy it at all (because if you're going to whine about that, you probably don't deserve it in the first place)


Based on this poll over 80% of mac users use their ODD very occasionally and can do away with ii.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1321381/

So you are telling the majority of Mac users (>80%) to take the ODD out and replace it with smth else?????? It does not work like that my friend.

How about you guys who need it on the regular basis (<20% and shrinking) buy and external one and stop whining like school girls.

The ODD will be omitted from all the Apple products in their next major revision and you need to deal with that.

You can either accept that, buy an external ODD, and move on or you can just keep beating on a dead horse.

 

[Hellhammer]

Based on this poll over 80% of mac users use their ODD very occasionally and can do away with ii.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1321381/

So you are telling the majority of Mac users (>80%) to take the ODD out and replace it with smth else?????? It does not work like that my friend.

164 MacRumors members don't represent the whole Mac user base. You would need a survey consisting of thousands of people. Also, MacRumors users are generally more tech savvy than the average Joe. Average consumers don't do things like taking the ODD out on their own. The survey would have to be done in a place full of people from all backgrounds, e.g. on the street.

The poll isn't very accurate either. "Every now and then" doesn't really tell much. It can be a few times a week or once a year. Or just ask do people want an internal ODD in their next computer.

The ODD will be omitted from all the Apple products in their next major revision and you need to deal with that.

Don't state things as facts unless you can actually back them up. This is nothing more than your speculation.

 

[Glen Quagmire]

I can understand if people don't want to wait it is difficult to be patient and tempting to just buy the imac 2011.
At this point it is just plain stupid to do that except you invested extra in getting it with an ssd .
why ?

Forget about the new processor the real power increase will be a ssd standart configuration.

I would just be suprised if imac 2012 would not come with a minimum of 128gb ssd as standart.
Anyone who bought an imac now will be kicking them selfs as if you used an ssd
on a computer you never go back to a normal pc no matter how much memory or cpu.

You only have about a 2 week wait for the new imac to come out and trust me it just won't be a refresh it be a 500% increase in responsivenes due to the ssd per standart.

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Anyone who wants an Imac just be patienced it will be here in 2 weeks time
when the 273 days will be gone passed long time ago.

And I am quite sure it will incorporate an ssd per standart or if not for a few dollars more but nothing as expensive as now.

Don't kid yourself about it just being a refresh and ssd against a normal sata is just like comparing a vespa against a ferrari.


People just want to justify them being impacient I tell you that in 3 months time they be pissed of they did not wait and be trying to hassel extra cash together to have there imacs upgraded to an ssd.

"standart"?
"suprised"?
"them selfs"?
"responsivenes"?
"per standart"?
"patienced"?
"will be gone passed"?
"impacient"?
"pissed of"?
"hassel"?
"there imacs"?

Let's hope that the new iMac comes with a better dictionary and improved spell-checking capabilities.

You have no idea what specification the iMac will come with. Writing things like "I would be suprised", "You only have about a 2 week wait", "trust me", "it will be here in 2 weeks time", "I am quite sure", "I tell you" is just setting yourself up to look ridiculous when, in two weeks, Intel still hasn't released Ivy Bridge, and Apple still hasn't released new iMacs. It looks rather arrogant as well. You don't have any special knowledge, and pretending otherwise is sheer folly.

 

[hideous cheese]

Add me to the crowd that believe ODD will be retained in iMacs for 2-3 more releases before being withdrawn.

There are three main reasons to remove an ODD from a computer and none of these are especially compelling at this time when you are talking about a desktop device:

1. To replace it with something "more useful" in the same form factor
2. To reduce the size of the enclosure
3. The technology is dead or redundant.

The size of screen defines the size of the iMac casing and means there is plenty of space to include the ODD without compromising on anything else. If a more useful technology could occupy the same space - and that is really only a SSD - then the issue is relative cost v relative value to the consumer. I believe that is still tipped in favour of ODD. Yes, an ODD is already irrelevant to some users and it is certainly coming to the end of its life generally but we are not there yet.

Apple will be one of the first to withdraw it from their desktop line given how they push iTunes Store and digital delivery, but it would be a huge step to do so in 2012.

It will be gone by 2015 but we aren't there yet so calm down folks.

 

[Digital Skunk]

I'm afraid I can't cite specific examples from the 2012 models. But luxury brands like BMW always introduce safety features and new technology first, and then over time they trickle down to the other brands. Things like iPod integration, automatic traction control, automatic (rain-activated) windshield wipers, and even airbags were luxury before they were mainstream.

In Apple's case, it's always the user experience that people want to copy. And they are always the first to see the future (like, say, the death of the 3 1/2" floppy, or the death of Flash) and actively work to hasten its arrival when they feel the time is right.

This is true, but your are talking about adding new tech, not removing standard options. The removal of the floppy on Macs wasn't even noticed in the rest of the tech world until PCs started doing it en masse in 2005, 6 years after Apple.

Then we must not forget that three tech standards spearheaded by others havent made it to the Mac; USB 3.0, eSATA, and Blu-ray. Now Apple isn't behind IMHO, but they aren't trendsetting.

That's practical for the iMac, but not in the MacBook Pro since you're going for portability, and an external SuperDrive (which never performs as well) just isn't portable or convient enough.

I would agree with the opposite. The ODD as option to lighten the load for the
laptops, the mini is just a weird machine to have removed the ODD... But whatever. The iMacs and Mac Pros would just be silly machines with a portable ODD attached. The ODD will be left on the full desktops, removed from everything else.

 

[TwoBytes]

How large will the SSDs do you guys will the refresh bring?

Has to be larger the 256GB ones offered now!

 

[EnzoAmata]

How large will the SSDs do you guys will the refresh bring?

Has to be larger the 256GB ones offered now!

60GB SSD for the OS ad 500GB HHD

 

[ermir4444]

164 MacRumors members don't represent the whole Mac user base. You would need a survey consisting of thousands of people. Also, MacRumors users are generally more tech savvy than the average Joe. Average consumers don't do things like taking the ODD out on their own. The survey would have to be done in a place full of people from all backgrounds, e.g. on the street.

The poll isn't very accurate either. "Every now and then" doesn't really tell much. It can be a few times a week or once a year. Or just ask do people want an internal ODD in their next computer.



Don't state things as facts unless you can actually back them up. This is nothing more than your speculation.

Bottom line is the majority of the people dont even use the ODD and thats just how it is.

You are right the fact that i think it will be removed is my speculation but i am willing to take any bet from anyone that the ODD will be removed on the next revision of the MBP. SO put your money where your mouth is.

 

[beosound3200]

there is one thing i dont understand, maybe you here can help me. why doesnt apple offer 512gb ssd? macbook pros have them...
and since apple uses toshiba ssds, does anyone here knows toshiba roadmap, any news, i.e. will they be offering faster ssd down the road? the fastest one now is the HG3 offering 220/180 mbps while the competition offers cca 500 mbps, thats a big difference

 

[flynz4]

How large will the SSDs do you guys will the refresh bring?

Has to be larger the 256GB ones offered now!

I am really looking forward to the new iMac, and I am waiting for the '12 release before I purchase. Until then, I'll continue sharing our one late-2009 27" i7 2TB iMac with my wife. We can also use our 27" ATD with our MBAs in a pinch when we both want to use the larger screen.

My largest reason for wanting a new iMac is to get it with an SSD... which wasn't available on the late-2009 model. Irrespective of options on the '12 iMac, mine will have an SSD... and I hope that they offer a larger size (500GB SSD + 3TB HDD). There is really no way that I could go SSD-only today. I have 1.3 TB of data on my current iMac, and my data set will likely grow to >2TB over the life of the '12 machine. I will probably keep the '12 iMac until '14 or later... at which time I would want to be 100% SSD. I am not sure '14 is attainable... but it is clear to me that eventually, everything consumer & prosumer will be SSD.

/Jim

 

[0000757]

Then you can just take the ODD out and replace with something else, or just be a whiny-baby and not buy it at all (because if you're going to whine about that, you probably don't deserve it in the first place)


Based on this poll over 80% of mac users use their ODD very occasionally and can do away with ii.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1321381/

So you are telling the majority of Mac users (>80%) to take the ODD out and replace it with smth else?????? It does not work like that my friend.

How about you guys who need it on the regular basis (<20% and shrinking) buy and external one and stop whining like school girls.

The ODD will be omitted from all the Apple products in their next major revision and you need to deal with that.

You can either accept that, buy an external ODD, and move on or you can just keep beating on a dead horse.

Because an external isn't PORTABLE (which is the reason WHY I bought a Pro). They're usually unreliable (My mother has an Air and she's constantly using the CD Sharing feature instead of the external SuperDrive we bought her because it's very poorly made), don't perform as well or offer the same speeds as an internal) and are much easier to get broken/damaged when in a case because it'll get banged around and isn't as portable. If Apple takes out the ODD on the MacBook Pro then I won't buy one. I can understand it on the iMac, but the Mac Pro and the MacBook Pro (At least the 15 inch) should have it or at the very least, the option to have an integrated one.

 

[iEdd]

60GB SSD for the OS ad 500GB HHD

As standard? That would be pretty good. I'd want to bump the SSD to 256 GB though. Hope it's not gonna be a $600AU upgrade this time around.

Apple might not bother with HDDs less than 1TB though. There's not that much of a saving anymore, and it's just more work in having more configurations.

Is there any chance that Apple would deliberately leave out USB3 (basically just not route it out to a port), just to push thunderbolt? I really hope not.

 

[Timmmmaaahh!]

Thai Flood

I'm preparing (saving) for an iMac purchase in dec 12' or jan '13. If humanity survived the apocalypse, that is. I assume there will have been a refresh by that time. But I was wondering... Could the Thailand flooding of Western Digital and Seagate (still) have any impact on the 2012 release of Apple's most expected desktop? I'm asking that question because I'm hoping there are some experts here that have a close eye on what's happening around that matter. I'm also wondering how it currently affects the entire market because I've been waiting for over a month now for my replacement WD HD. I'm also hoping I'm posting this in the right thread or should I have created a new one?

Google News taught me this:

Oct. 18: Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook says he is “virtually certain there will be an overall industry shortage of disk drives.’’ Cook warns that Apple’s Mac lines will be most affected.

but also

Jan. 23: Western Digital CEO John Coyne says progress in restoring capacity in Thailand is “significantly ahead of our original expectations’’ and is reflected in the results in the latest quarter."

and just 2 hours ago:

Thai floods continue to impact HDD manufacturing

 

[Digital Skunk]

How large will the SSDs do you guys will the refresh bring?

Has to be larger the 256GB ones offered now!

Don't worry, the new iMac won't bring any form of SSD as a standard option. Although everyone wants it to be, and gets their pants all wet when they think about it, the industry won't go from offering users 1TB of space for $X to offering users 256GB of space for $X+$500.

You will have SSD as a CTO.

Bottom line is the majority of the people dont even use the ODD and thats just how it is.

You are right the fact that i think it will be removed is my speculation but i am willing to take any bet from anyone that the ODD will be removed on the next revision of the MBP. SO put your money where your mouth is.

You can't just state speculation as fact and add nothing to back it up. Do you have a link or something that will help us to understand that MOST users of computers don't use the ODD?

If not then you really shouldn't state things like that.

As standard? That would be pretty good. I'd want to bump the SSD to 256 GB though. Hope it's not gonna be a $600AU upgrade this time around.

It will be. It may come down a bit in price, but it will be a pretty hefty, albeit worthy, upgrade.

Apple might not bother with HDDs less than 1TB though. There's not that much of a saving anymore, and it's just more work in having more configurations.

Agreed! I'd expect nothing more than the usual bevy of upgrades. That would include putting only a 2TB in the high-end iMac with the option of going to 3 or 4TB as a custom upgrade.

Is there any chance that Apple would deliberately leave out USB3 (basically just not route it out to a port), just to push thunderbolt? I really hope not.

You can bet the farm that Apple won't out USB 3.0 in it.

 

[beosound3200]

You can bet the farm that Apple won't out USB 3.0 in it.

wanna bet? usb3 has nothing to do with thunderbolt, completely different things. ivy bridge brings native usb3 and guess what, 4 of them in total
so you can expect with 100% certainty that the 2012 imacs will feature 4 usb 3.0 ports. now tell me why do you think it wont happen that way, but remember, apple isnt 'pushing' thunderbolt.

 

[Digital Skunk]

wanna bet? usb3 has nothing to do with thunderbolt, completely different things. ivy bridge brings native usb3 and guess what, 4 of them in total
so you can expect with 100% certainty that the 2012 imacs will feature 4 usb 3.0 ports. now tell me why do you think it wont happen that way, but remember, apple isnt 'pushing' thunderbolt.

If it happens fantastic, it's just that Intel said the same thing with the last chipset. I'd love to get my hopes up . . . but I like to just wait and see.

Apple is indeed pushing TBolt, however. TBolt is Apple's new FW800.

 

[beosound3200]

If it happens fantastic, it's just that Intel said the same thing with the last chipset. I'd love to get my hopes up . . . but I like to just wait and see.

Apple is indeed pushing TBolt, however. TBolt is Apple's new FW800.

its happening. i dont know what you heard or read, but ivy bridge brings native usb3 support, proved.

why would apple push thunderbolt? its intels technology, and intel says thunderbolt and usb 3 supplement each other, thats why they are bringing native support for usb3. in 2012, all manufacturers get access to thunderbolt, so one more reason why apple isnt 'pushing' thunderbolt, why would they?

look at it this way:

thunderbolt: professional, high speed, high cost, video and data port

usb 3: consumer, low speed, low cost, data port

they indeed supplement each other.

usb 3 is nothing new, just the new standard with the same port and backwards compatibility, usb 2 already exists in apples computers, they just need to up the standard to 3.0, and they have been waiting for intels native support so they dont need to implement 3rd party devices, a sound decision from an engineers standpoint. that is exactly whats happening with ivy bridge. as i said earlier, ivy bridge supports 4 usb 3 ports, so you can expect all the usb ports on imac to be usb 3

there are only 4 things 100% certain in 2012 imacs:

ivy bridge
next gen graphics (28nm, amd or nvidia, though i heard nvidia is much better this year, so probably nvidia)
usb 3
bluetooth 4

 

[Digital Skunk]

its happening. i dont know what you heard or read, but ivy bridge brings native usb3 support, proved.

Relax!

I just said that the previous chipset was supposed to have the tech but Intel dropped the ball.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[forty2j]

This is true, but your are talking about adding new tech, not removing standard options. The removal of the floppy on Macs wasn't even noticed in the rest of the tech world until PCs started doing it en masse in 2005, 6 years after Apple.

Then we must not forget that three tech standards spearheaded by others havent made it to the Mac; USB 3.0, eSATA, and Blu-ray. Now Apple isn't behind IMHO, but they aren't trendsetting.

I guess I haven't been clear. Besides hastening the retirement of dead technologies, Apple's trendsetting innovations have been in the realm of user experience - not specifications. For specs, it remains to be seen if Thunderbolt gives them a specification win; for a while it seemed like Firewire would but the market ultimately decided against it.

 

[Hellhammer]

Relax!

I just said that the previous chipset was supposed to have the tech but Intel dropped the ball.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't think Intel ever officially said that 6-series chipsets (i.e. Sandy Bridge) would feature USB 3.0. There were a lot rumors and reports but no official statement from Intel. Now it's 100% official, Intel isn't hiding the fact that 7-series chipsets support USB 3.0.

 

[MacOG728893]

"standart"?
"suprised"?
"them selfs"?
"responsivenes"?
"per standart"?
"patienced"?
"will be gone passed"?
"impacient"?
"pissed of"?
"hassel"?
"there imacs"?

Let's hope that the new iMac comes with a better dictionary and improved spell-checking capabilities.

You have no idea what specification the iMac will come with. Writing things like "I would be suprised", "You only have about a 2 week wait", "trust me", "it will be here in 2 weeks time", "I am quite sure", "I tell you" is just setting yourself up to look ridiculous when, in two weeks, Intel still hasn't released Ivy Bridge, and Apple still hasn't released new iMacs. It looks rather arrogant as well. You don't have any special knowledge, and pretending otherwise is sheer folly.

I wanted to say the same thing, but didn't want to be rude. I looked to see if he/she was from a different country, but no information on that.

It blows my mind that people can't just take a little time to spell correctly or make sure their posts make complete sense.

Maybe we have a case of Internet explorer with no spell correction?

 

[s.horsfield]

Question about GPU's!

Okay so I used to be an Nvidia guy and i've been AMD for the past couple of years (I had a few issues with some of Nvidias cards and dropped them for a couple years, conviently apple did too!). If (when?) Apple puts Nvidia cards in the iMac what series would they use? A quick wiki will reveal the 600M series to be released this year but I don't know? How do they compare to this gen iMac's in terms of speed and heat? Assuming they put in okay cards how do they compare? Apple usually touts around 2X performance but what about real world use?