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What to expect from iMac 2012 - Discussion
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Given past driver issues, it's reasonable to guess that Apple will never use nVidia again...
The Touch Option
I agree my arms would hurt if i had to reach out and touch the screen in the conventional way. But think about this, at least for laughs, what if there was an option to lay the screen at a 45 degree angle, and the keyboard was "on screen" like on the ipad.
I agree my arms would hurt if i had to reach out and touch the screen in the conventional way. But think about this, at least for laughs, what if there was an option to lay the screen at a 45 degree angle, and the keyboard was "on screen" like on the ipad.
I find this amusing, because the iphone really isn't that expensive compared to the others after subsidies. Price shouldn't be a huge factor here. If you want one over an Android, you buy one. Obviously I'm referring to countries that do subsidize it.
Apple is not Ferrari no matter how much you'd like to think in this manner. There is something I don't understand. In an earlier post you considered the $25 monthly for internet access to be quite expensive. Now a $5000 laptop is acceptable? Unlike Ferrari Apple laptops are coming from the same ODPs and 90% of the same parts as other computers. These are high volume devices. Computers in general are made as cheap as possible these days starting from the component level. When design decisions are made at that level, they mostly favor price, not quality. Apple puts together something with an appealing aesthetic, and what was a nice OS (although it has been slipping in a lot of areas starting with graphics drivers and bug fixes). In the end, it's still a computer just like the rest. You simply convince yourself otherwise.
This isn't even remotely accurate. You must be one of those people who couldn't even figure out their television remote
. Also expect it to still be an upgrade but much much cheaper. The cloud isn't going to to save you from that kind of drop in storage capacity, and a host of external drives never felt like it belonged next to an all in one.Oh joy... another brainless analogy. While I may somewhat agree with the conclusion, a voluntary survey on a fan site means nothing. This is because your sample data is quite biased rather than randomized.
Wacom did the screen thing before Apple. It's just set up differently. It's set up as an input only (so it connects to a computer) for illustration, animation, etc. Getting that to work right and remain stable at all angles looks like a lot of design time. It also weighs 70 lbs.
.we were talking about brands, and my point with ferrari was that popular brands dont necessary have large sale numbers due to their often expensive nature. an analogy you could also apply to macs. there is no such thing in pc world as ferrari, but as mercedes... if you want direct analogy
i was talking how in my 'expensive country' (based on average household income) you can get 4mbit flat internet for 25$ and how i find it extremely cheap, in context of streaming movies opposed to buying movies on blu ray (optical disc drive debate)
i agree, it is completely biased, but towards odd. one could argue that here on macrumors are, in percentage, much more prosumers, professionals that really need cd/dvd/blu ray given their professional/work needs and appreciate high quality media that blu ray brings, in other word more IT-educated and conscious people, as opposed to average consumer. look at it this way, if you were to made a survey, you would probably find out that more people (%) use itunes purchased media outside of macrumors than here on macrumors.
The perfect system for me on the next refresh would be....
Hardware
Design
Remove the chin - I have hated this for years.
Reduce the size of the screen bezel - Small bezel TVs look fantastic, would be nice to see it on an iMac.
Other
Get rid of the ODD - waste of space. I use it occasionally. I would prefer to just get an external one out when I rip a CD to itunes. Quite happy to pack it away after use. Doesn't affect the 'all in one' design feel in any way as people have said.
In 2/3 years time people will be glad they don't have a failing mechanical drive in their computer that they don't use anyway. Pretty much in the same way there isn't a 3.5" floppy drive in modern computers.
Easy access to hard drive / user upgradable - similar to how the PS3 works. Obviously this wont happen but there is not reason why it shouldn't be there. It's your data, don't see why you shouldn't be able to get at it.
Edit - Also the wired keyboard could have USB 3.0 hub upgrade
Hardware
- IvyBridge Processor
- USB 3.0 - Essential. My USB 3.0 hard drive has been amazing, Apple should cath up here.
- 8 GB RAM as standard - 8GB is dirt cheap these days - no reason why it shouldn't be standard
- Face time HD 1080p camera
Design
Remove the chin - I have hated this for years.
Reduce the size of the screen bezel - Small bezel TVs look fantastic, would be nice to see it on an iMac.
Other
Get rid of the ODD - waste of space. I use it occasionally. I would prefer to just get an external one out when I rip a CD to itunes. Quite happy to pack it away after use. Doesn't affect the 'all in one' design feel in any way as people have said.
In 2/3 years time people will be glad they don't have a failing mechanical drive in their computer that they don't use anyway. Pretty much in the same way there isn't a 3.5" floppy drive in modern computers.
Easy access to hard drive / user upgradable - similar to how the PS3 works. Obviously this wont happen but there is not reason why it shouldn't be there. It's your data, don't see why you shouldn't be able to get at it.
Edit - Also the wired keyboard could have USB 3.0 hub upgrade
Good points! 8GB would be great if it was two 4GB chips so the other two slots were free to add more ram. I hope the cost for a HHD + SSD has dropped. I'd buy a new imac now but 600 euro for two hard drives is crazy.
What are the chances of them bringing back the 24inch model?
What are the chances of them bringing back the 24inch model?
No chance if previous posts in this thread are to be believed...
After reading nearly all of this post I am A. close to shooting myself...and B. Totally undecided if I should now wait before buying a new machine...
And I only came here to see if I should consider getting an SSD with my new purchase!
I'm still using a 2008 Core 2 Duo imac and will replace it with a new model later this year, I can hang on for the new ones.
I hope they come with the following:
USB 3.0
8GB RAM as standard, upgradable to 32GB.
The new Ivy Bridge processers ( a given).
It would also be nice to have as standard a 128GB SSD for the OS and 1 or 2TB normal hard drive for photos, music, movies etc but I don't think it will happen.
I'm not so bothered by the ODD, I'm sure the next 2 or 3 generations of imacs will have it before it disappears. I rarely use it anymore anyway, lose it or keep it I don't mind. My old imac will still be in the spare room if I need to rip/burn anything or an external one is cheap to buy. Having said all that some Blu-Ray support would be nice but I don't think that'll happen either.
I hope they come with the following:
USB 3.0
8GB RAM as standard, upgradable to 32GB.
The new Ivy Bridge processers ( a given).
It would also be nice to have as standard a 128GB SSD for the OS and 1 or 2TB normal hard drive for photos, music, movies etc but I don't think it will happen.
I'm not so bothered by the ODD, I'm sure the next 2 or 3 generations of imacs will have it before it disappears. I rarely use it anymore anyway, lose it or keep it I don't mind. My old imac will still be in the spare room if I need to rip/burn anything or an external one is cheap to buy. Having said all that some Blu-Ray support would be nice but I don't think that'll happen either.
T-BOLT T-BOLT T-BOLT T-BOLT
THE 27 INCH WILL HAVE MORE T-BOLT SLOTS.
why? because many users what this option
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW851LL/A
with this
http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/ThunderboltSSD.en.html
or with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOw6q_rVayA
http://www.provantage.com/seagate-stae121~4SEG904F.htm
internal ssd would be really not needed for many but more t-bolt ports would be.
yeah usb-3 is nice but t-bolt is a far better platform. (this is why it is over priced)
I run my mac minis with lacies lbd t-bolt and they smoke with a pair of samsung ssds.
THE 27 INCH WILL HAVE MORE T-BOLT SLOTS.
why? because many users what this option
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW851LL/A
with this
http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/ThunderboltSSD.en.html
or with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOw6q_rVayA
http://www.provantage.com/seagate-stae121~4SEG904F.htm
internal ssd would be really not needed for many but more t-bolt ports would be.
yeah usb-3 is nice but t-bolt is a far better platform. (this is why it is over priced)
I run my mac minis with lacies lbd t-bolt and they smoke with a pair of samsung ssds.
Why is it a better option? They are alternatives.
Nearly every removable storage I have is USB 2.0. I also have a USB 3.0 hard drive. Also every PC in universities, offices, workplaces uses USB.
USB 3 just keeps everything compatible with the option of faster speeds.
Thunderbolt really shines with new accessories that are being developed like external graphics cards for laptops, not something that competes with USB 3.0 storage devices.
I did say price is terrible
t-bolt is faster
t-bolt allows daisy chaining
t-bolt has a more solid physical connection.
t-bolt is more stable at least with the 4 devices I own.
now I did say price is terrible.
and it is obvious that availability is an issue.
if you look at usb2 = fw800
and usb3 = t-bolt
the correlation is very similar. some what better performance at a much higher price.
I kind of see your point.
I never saw Firewire as a competitor to USB in the same way. Firewire is best used for professional audio audio hardware because of the way it connects (for example). USB 2.0 is better for short burst files transfer that you might use in everyday computing.
USB 3.0 is the logical next step for this.
Thunderbolt a new way of connect high performance accessories that require the bandwidth (monitors, graphics cards etc).
I may have got the wrong idea from your earlier post. A lot of people on here say things like there is no need for USB 3 because of Thunderbolt etc. However is just seems an no brainer to have them both.
I certainly wouldn't buy anything hard drive/ data transfer device that were thunderbolt based if USB 3 was available also though.
yeah for the average user usb3 is fine. I had a need a few years back to have 5 fast external hdds as seperate drives. usb3 if it had been around would not have work for me unless my machine had a lot of usb3 ports. I used a high end fire wire hub by nitro worked great at the time. now I can daisy chain a few lacie little big disks or run a pegasus promise r6. not counting the cost they work better then any usb 3 solution. I have to say that usb3 is a nice fast low cost solution for many. sooner or later most machine will be both usb3 and t-bolt with usb2 and fw800 vanishing.
As an aside seagate and its flex system of cables and adapters is a good way to help ease the pain of connecting gear to machine. you can get fw800 cable/case for 20 bucks a stae102 below
http://www.staples.com/Seagate-Free...gId=-1&storeId=10001&ddkey=http:StaplesSearch
Agree with this, the chin is so annoying, and i wan to have the same height as a thunderbolt/cinema display.
Also a 7970m please
Yes. Biggest performance boost right now is coming from moving from HDD to SSD.
I'm hoping the 2012 iMac has a standard SSD, at least in the larger model. But we shall see.
I'm dying to know how much better this will be over my 2010 IMacs's ati 5750. Maybe it is time for an upgrade
Hmmmm that makes me wonder if I should wait then!
I'm also concerned with storage options for two seperate iMacs in a small business. The External Thunderbolt storage is expensive, I'd have to get two and they are not linked or networked! A debate not for this thread but confusing never the less!
I'm on the waiting wagon ... My workhorse of computer, a quicksilver G4 simply cannot run the upgraded applications I want it to, sooooo, I'm throwing in the towel & gonna get me a 2012 imac, long long long overdo. My 11 year old G4 has been a blessing & I'm hoping the new Imac will do just as well ...
Although this article references the chips for laptop models I wonder if the desktop chips might similarly be delayed or of restricted availability . . .
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...und_ivy_bridge_chip_shipments_until_june.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...und_ivy_bridge_chip_shipments_until_june.html