What to Expect From the 2019 iPhones: Hands-On With Dummy Models

[Sakurambo-kun]

Turns out the iPhone X was a short lived return for Apple to beautiful design. Now we're back with the ugly.

When I look at what the high end Android guys are doing - no notch, triple cameras in a nice neat line etc, and I look at this iPhone monstrosity, I despair. Maybe it is time Jony Ive left, as if he's signing off crap like this, his time is done.

 

[FFR]

“You hadn't heard about the Great iPhone Exodus?

Neither had I until CNET offered details of a blistering survey conducted by phone trading site BankMyCell.

After looking at 38,000 phone traders BankMyCell concluded that, since March of last year, 15 percent more people have traded in their iPhones for some other brand.

Worse -- or perhaps more painful -- is that Samsung enjoyed much better retention numbers and that Apple users appear to be going over in increasing numbers to the Galaxy side.

Last month alone, 18 percent of iPhone traders chose a Samsung instead.”

Never heard anyone calling 4500 users a “great exodus” before.

You do realize apple sells over 200 million iPhones per year.

Don’t think you are grasping the concept of Scale.


According to your article only 810 iPhone users switched to a Samsung phone, that’s surprising low.

Well, here is another source: Sales of iPhones down year-on-year despite popularity of iPhone XR in US

But the conclusion is still the same: people are switching to Android.

From the article you posted:

“In the second quarter of 2019, the iPhone XR secured the top spot in US sales with a 7.8% share of the market. Apple dominated the top three spots entirely, with the iPhone 8 and iPhone XS Max in second and third place respectively, followed by Samsung's Galaxy S10+ and Galaxy S10 in fourth and fifth for the quarter.

The conclusion is apple is selling a lot of premium iPhones, more than everybody else.

 

[The Game 161]

Never heard anyone calling 4500 users a “great exodus” before.

You do realize apple sells over 200 million iPhones per year.

Don’t think you are grasping the concept of Scale.


According to your article only 810 iPhone users switched to a Samsung phone, that’s surprising low.



From the article you posted:

“In the second quarter of 2019, the iPhone XR secured the top spot in US sales with a 7.8% share of the market. Apple dominated the top three spots entirely, with the iPhone 8 and iPhone XS Max in second and third place respectively, followed by Samsung's Galaxy S10+ and Galaxy S10 in fourth and fifth for the quarter.

The conclusion is apple is selling a lot of premium iPhones, more than everybody else.

Also those stats may be flawed as many here moved to the s10 then moved back within a month or so. Me included.

 

[Abazigal]

Grow up? The design is crap. Reread the past 16 pages of this thread for a good sample size idea. Count the people who like it vs. those who don’t. Many will be switching to Samsung.

I am reminded of the uproar this forum had when the iPhone X was announced at $1000, with many predicting that iPhone sales would suffer. The iPhone X would go on to sell very well, with Apple having a very profitable quarter.

When will people realise the the critics here are not representative of Apple's user base in general?

 

[oopsroger]

What I expect
1. Disgusting camera design
2. Garbage intel modems
3. No usb-c
4. Price hikes

Pass.

No. 2 really pisses me off on a DAILY basis.

 

[I7guy]

I am reminded of the uproar this forum had when the iPhone X was announced at $1000, with many predicting that iPhone sales would suffer. The iPhone X would go on to sell very well, with Apple having a very profitable quarter.

When will people realise the the critics here are not representative of Apple's user base in general?

It's my opinion, that many people don't care about the minutia that's brought up in these forums. They just want their phones to work and if they have a problem, get their iphone fixed expeditiously. The echo chamber (on both sides) that emerges, I do not see outside of internet forums.

If I were as upset with Apple as some of these posters claim to be, I would get rid of my apple gear and buy the competition.

 

[FFR]

You will see.

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?

When I look at what the high end Android guys are doing - no notch, triple cameras in a nice neat line etc, and I look at this iPhone monstrosity, I despair. Maybe it is time Jony Ive left, as if he's signing off crap like this, his time is done.

Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

 

[I7guy]

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?




Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

What are the high-end android guys doing?
- foldable phones...we know how that turned out.
- pop-up camera, movable bezels? solutions to a non-existent problem?
- under display camera...this remains to be seen if software can correct images that look like they were shot through a dirty screen.

This is not to say apple is perfect, but it seems apple thinks through what it wants to do, instead of throwing stuff and seeing what sticks.

 

[FFR]

Also those stats may be flawed as many here moved to the s10 then moved back within a month or so. Me included.

Good point, there has been a lot of s10 returns this year even though sales have been rather bad to begin with.

The data the other poster provided is pretty worthless, regardless.

If you do the math on the data, it’s 4,500 iPhone users, that’s it.
While Apple sold 16 million iPhone XR and 16million iPhone XS Max units in q2.
We should know the q3 results in 10 days.

 

[I7guy]

...
We should know the q3 results in 10 days.

There's either going to be a "free for all" or a lot of "I told you so(s)'.

 

[FFR]

What are the high-end android guys doing?
- foldable phones...we know how that turned out.
- pop-up camera, movable bezels? solutions to a non-existent problem?
- under display camera...this remains to be seen if software can correct images that look like they were shot through a dirty screen.

This is not to say apple is perfect, but it seems apple thinks through what it wants to do, instead of throwing stuff and seeing what sticks.

Premium android guys are too busy increasing prices essentially pricing their devices out of the range of their loyal Customers. With the hopes of attracting iPhone users.

That’s a terrible strategy. And it’s not working so well.

Don’t forget curved display, because who doesn’t like accidental touches and annoying glares.


Bear in mind high end android or ultra premium ($900 and up)is an incredibly small market.

Less than 20 million units last year and might be even lower this year.

 

[FFR]

There's either going to be a "free for all" or a lot of "I told you so(s)'.

Remember what happened with the iPhone X.
Some posters will never admit to being wrong.

One poster kept trying to compare the iPhones nvme based storage to his pc, to prove that it was unnecessary. We were discussing premium iPhone components missing from similarly priced android handsets.

Asked him to point me to an android phone with a comparable components...and crickets

He even tried to promote counterfeiting as a great marketing tool to the company that was getting copied.

Strange indeed...but entertaining.

 

[ilikewhey]

Remember what happened with the iPhone X.
Some posters will never admit to being wrong.

One poster kept trying to compare the iPhones nvme based storage to his pc, to prove that it was unnecessary. We were discussing premium iPhone components missing from similarly priced android handsets.

Asked him to point me to an android phone with a comparable components...and crickets

He even tried to promote counterfeiting as a great marketing tool to the company that was getting copied.

Stranded indeed...but entertaining.

what? i did reply back to both of your posts. your the one making cricket noises

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...th-dummy-models.2190405/page-16#post-27558421

again your making fake stuff up again

, i said having nvme in a phone is overkill, i compared nvme to sata in a pc just to show comparison, and you proceed to call the samsung 960 pro as a cheap nvme that doesn't come close to the nvme in a phone.

 

[FFR]

i said having nvme in a phone is overkill, i compared nvme to sata in a pc just to show comparison, and you proceed to call the samsung 960 pro as a cheap nvme that doesn't come close to the nvme in a phone.

Yes you compared your computer to the the Xs Max and called it overkill because you can’t get nvme based storage on android and you needed to deflect and talk about something else.

It’s cheap get over it.

If you ever do find an comparison between the iPhones xs max ssd and yours, do post it up, not some random screenshot on imagur.

again your making fake stuff up again

No you said iPhone X android clones were “free publicity” to apple.

And used counterfeited gucci bags as an example of it being ok, even though counterfeiting is actually illegal.

Those are your words right there.
You do realize why no android company can sell their iPhone knockoffs in the US, because they would get sued.

what? i did reply back to both of your posts. your the one making cricket noises

You didn’t answer any of my questions. Hence the crickets.

 

[ilikewhey]

Yes you compared your computer to the the Xs Max and called it overkill because you can’t get nvme based storage on android and you needed to deflect and talk about something else.

It’s cheap get over it.

If you ever do find an comparison between the iPhones xs max ssd and yours, do post it up, not some random screenshot on imagur.

lol no mate you need to get over your delusional fanboyism.

if nvme is not needed for everyday desktop enviroment. why would you think it would greatly benefit from a phone point of view, therefore YOU DON'T NEED NVME on a phone so why should android bother with nvme, if android brands have it great, if not, no one is gonna notice the difference.

i can't be bothered to go dig up something that no one cares about, could hardly find any test site reviewed on iphone memory to begin with, so why don't you post a memory test of your iphone xs or xs max and i'll be happy to post a benchmark of my 960 pro and see which is faster, i'll wait

No you said iPhone X android clones were “free publicity” to apple.

And used counterfeited gucci bags as an example of it being ok, even though counterfeiting is actually illegal.

yeah it is free publicity, its a free mention to iphone without apple paying for the publicity.

Those are your words right there.
You do realize why no android company can sell their iPhone knockoffs in the US, because they would get sued.

You didn’t answer any of my questions. Hence the crickets.

you didn't answer back my post, so again, i posted reasonable counter argument, you claim the 960 pro is a cheap samsung drive, and the nvme in the iphone is better, correct? i promptly showed you benchmark figure, and now your deflecting by stating its random screenshot on imgur, not imagur btw. mate the way your argument rounds about is pathetic to say the least sorry to say. i put up numbers of a 960 pro which you stated is cheap and inferior than the storage used in iphones. as well as articles and sources for the quarterly earning, which i'm still waiting for your reply.
[doublepost=1563723763][/doublepost]

Are you sure about that?
So your saying Mlc is better than 3d tlc?

Your calling the 960 pro the greatest ssd on the market because of write endurance

. Sure your not biased at all.

How fast is it again compared the nvme ssd on the iPhone XS Max?

So which android phone uses nvme ssd or a Samsung 960?

these are your words right? yeah i posted links and debunked it, awaiting your reply. so far i only hear crickets.......lol

 

[cmaier]

Turns out the iPhone X was a short lived return for Apple to beautiful design. Now we're back with the ugly.

When I look at what the high end Android guys are doing - no notch, triple cameras in a nice neat line etc, and I look at this iPhone monstrosity, I despair. Maybe it is time Jony Ive left, as if he's signing off crap like this, his time is done.

“Triple cameras in a nice neat line”

You do realize there are major functionality advantages to equalizing the distance between each pair of lenses, right?

 

[FFR]

lol no mate you need to get over your delusional fanboyism.

Of course. Pot kettle. You seem to be an expert on delusional fanboyism. Personal experience I see.

if nvme is not needed for everyday desktop enviroment. why would you think it would greatly benefit from a phone point of view, therefore YOU DON'T NEED NVME on a phone so why should android bother with nvme, if android brands have it great, if not, no one is gonna notice the difference.

That’s not up to you to decide what anyone needs.

Premium iPhone nvme
Premium android- no nvme.

It’s that simple.

So you were wrong it’s ok Admit it.



And back to your cheap hardrive.

i can't be bothered to go dig up something that no one cares about, could hardly find any test site reviewed on iphone memory to begin with, so why don't you post a memory test of your iphone xs or xs max and i'll be happy to post a benchmark of my 960 pro and see which is faster, i'll wait

Your the one that started comparing your ssd to the iPhone XS Max because there aren’t any android alternatives. This isn’t moving the goal posts your actually moving the subject.

Either prove your hard drive is faster than apples ssd Or move on.

You claimed that you and your friends have iPhones xs didn’t you. Or were you lying.

Get the benchmarks post them or move on.

yeah it is free publicity, its a free mention to iphone without apple paying for the publicity.

No it’s actually illegal and against the law.
But I see your doubling down on.

You either can afford the real thing or you can’t, I have no interest in fakes or copies.

And back to your cheap hard drive again.

you didn't answer back my post, so again, i posted reasonable counter argument, you claim the 960 pro is a cheap samsung drive, and the nvme in the iphone is better, correct? i promptly showed you benchmark figure, and now your deflecting by stating its random screenshot on imgur, not imagur btw. mate the way your argument rounds about is pathetic to say the least sorry to say. i put up numbers of a 960 pro which you stated is cheap and inferior than the storage used in iphones.

[doublepost=1563723763][/doublepost]

That’s you right. With the random imgur screenshot.

i can't post pic because i don't have the phone l
crazy fast actually, this is the nand speed test of a 256gb xs max i found on reddit
https://i.imgur.com/uJzCHEC.jpg

You claimed both you and your friends have the phone, intel modem. Guess you were being dishonest.

Hey it happens copies and counterfeiting are completely fine/s

as well as articles and sources for the quarterly earning, which i'm still waiting for your reply.

And which ones are those again?
Is that the one where you blame trump because premium android phones are not selling.

these are your words right? yeah i posted links and debunked it, awaiting your reply. so far i only hear crickets.......lol

Back to your cheap hard drive again.

Debunked what?

yes mlc is more reliable than tlc but 3d tlc is more reliable than mlc. For someone claiming to be an expert you should know this. But I guess you don’t. Maybe you can ask one of your friends.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/how-is-3d-tlc-nand-more-reliable-than-mlc.2493029/

You seem to be very emotionaly tied to your hard drive.

 

[Bawstun]

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?




Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

“iPhone customer retention is the lowest it has been since 2011, with 15% of US phone owners trading in their Apple mobile devices for Android brands.

This is according to a survey conducted by US-based trade-in site BankMyCell, using a dataset of 38,043 consumers. The report provides insight into consumers’ upgrade cycle patterns and Apple’s brand loyalty during the online trade-in process from October 2018 to June 2019.

Lack of innovation, high prices and stiff competition are some of the reasons cited for Apple’s consumer churn rate.”
[doublepost=1563728198][/doublepost]

“iPhone customer retention is the lowest it has been since 2011, with 15% of US phone owners trading in their Apple mobile devices for Android brands.

This is according to a survey conducted by US-based trade-in site BankMyCell, using a dataset of 38,043 consumers. The report provides insight into consumers’ upgrade cycle patterns and Apple’s brand loyalty during the online trade-in process from October 2018 to June 2019.

Lack of innovation, high prices and stiff competition are some of the reasons cited for Apple’s consumer churn rate.”

“Apple's iOS share dropped a little in both Europe and the U.S. - where it was slightly more noticeable at 2.4%”

[doublepost=1563728340][/doublepost]

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?




Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

“The iPhone XR was the best-selling smartphone in the United States in the second quarter, according to research from Kantar, but the share of iOS device sales seem to have slipped in both the US and major European markets while Android vendors enjoy growth during the same period.”
[doublepost=1563728525][/doublepost]

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?




Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

“For the United States, iOS saw its share of sales drop year-on-year from 38.7% for Q2 2018 to 36.3% for Q2 2019. Over the same period, Android saw its share increase from 61% for 2018 to 63.5% in 2019.”

This is the snowball effect in motion. It has begun. The solution is to FIRE Tim Cook now and immediately put all resources into beautiful design and aesthetic once again. Apple needs to WOW the market with an affordable and beautiful design to save the company. Otherwise, after the release of the monstrosity that they’ve developed for the next model, the dip and slide in marketshare is going to be twofold - at least. The future is not going to be pretty if they release that design.
[doublepost=1563728589][/doublepost]

Were you one of the posters that said the same thing about the iPhone X and the notch.

How did that work out for you?




Too bad nobody’s buying any those high end android phone that you like so much in any significant volume.

Apples kind owns the premium smartphone space.

I don’t think you realize that jony signed off on this design last year right.


Some poster make very little sense.

“Apple saw year-on-year sales share drop for iOS by 5.5% in Japan to 37.4% while Android gained 6% to reach 61.8%.”

 

[mgdot]

Why they're keeping lightning instead of switching to USB-C is beyond me.

They say that they're so forward thinking so they get rid of all the still standard and useful ports on the MacBook and MacBook pro in favor of only USB-C.

Then they refuse to switch to the same upgraded port on their iPhones in favor of their 7 year old proprietary legacy connector. 4 years ago they released the MacBook with only one USB-C connector and touted it as the connector of the future. 4 years ago android phones started making the switch to USB-C. 3 years ago they released the Macbook Pro and touted USB-C as the only connector anyone ever needed.

Fast forward to now, "the future" Its 4 years later, all Android phones have arrived to the future with USB-C, and they're about to release another phone without the usb-C connector. I cannot fathom a good design, marketing, or technological reason for them to keep lightning.

 

[ilikewhey]

Of course. Pot kettle. You seem to be an expert on delusional fanboyism. Personal experience I see.

i'm not dilusional, more realistic than you as soon as you think phones need nvme

That’s not up to you to decide what anyone needs.

Premium iPhone nvme
Premium android- no nvme.

It’s that simple.

So you were wrong it’s ok Admit it.



And back to your cheap hardrive.

again, nvme doesn't make much difference in a computer, much less in a phone, my point from the get go but you time and time again failed to grasp that concept, you can disagree, but at least acknowledge the concept

its that simple, so you were wrong and its ok for you to admit it

Your the one that started comparing your ssd to the iPhone XS Max because there aren’t any android alternatives. This isn’t moving the goal posts your actually moving the subject.

Either prove your hard drive is faster than apples ssd Or move on.

You claimed that you and your friends have iPhones xs didn’t you. Or were you lying.

Get the benchmarks post them or move on.

go back and read how this started, this is the 3rd time i'm repeating myself, you can't be that daft.

No it’s actually illegal and against the law.
But I see your doubling down on.

You either can afford the real thing or you can’t, I have no interest in fakes or copies.

And back to your cheap hard drive again.

again with the ad hominem? your the bozoo thinks iphone nvme is faster than prosumer grade nvme desktop ssd

That’s you right. With the random imgur screenshot.

again, i'm waiting, post screenshots of your iphone nvme speed test, i'm still waiting

You claimed both you and your friends have the phone, intel modem. Guess you were being dishonest.

Hey it happens copies and counterfeiting are completely fine/s

what part was i dishonest about? i first mention my friends complaint about their xs getting worse coverage than their qualcomm x, then i stated my own experience, they don't contradict but mere compliment.

And which ones are those again?

go back and read, if you can't even do that then you have no business posting here

Back to your cheap hard drive again.

Debunked what?


https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/how-is-3d-tlc-nand-more-reliable-than-mlc.2493029/

You seem to be very emotional tied to your hard drive.

GG for quoting from a forum, you really outdone yourself there

gave me crap about pulling from unreliable sources while you quoting from forums, double standard there much?

but ok, i'll play along, according to the links and comments in that forum, i found this.

"Introducing 3D TLC NAND Because of the need to continue down an aggressive cost-curve, TLC (Triple-Level Cell) NAND-based SSDs were introduced in 2012. TLC NAND holds 3-bits of information per cell. This means there is a need to distinguish between 8 voltage levels to decipher the information held, and as such, endurance is reduced even further."

yes 3d nand tlc is comparable to mlc even edges out in endurance, but 3d nand is a method of applying layering, so once 3d-NAND is applied to mlc, which is used in 960 and 970 pro, guess what the performance goes way beyond anything tlc or 3d tlc can match.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10698/samsung-announces-960-pro-and-960-evo-m2-pcie-ssds
the 960 pro uses mlc 3D-nand,
Samsung 48-layer MLC V-NAND 960 pro

Samsung 48-layer TLC V-NAND 960 evo

also, i'm emotionally attached to the truth, which clearly isn't what your stating here, so lets get back to the topic that caused you to start spewing non sense,

you stated, 960 pro is a cheap drive(a harddrive as you later put it), and that the nvme used in iphone is better.

yes mlc is more reliable than tlc

finally you see the light! there is hope for you yet!

 

[FFR]

“iPhone customer retention is the lowest it has been since 2011, with 15% of US phone owners trading in their Apple mobile devices for Android brands.

This is according to a survey conducted by US-based trade-in site BankMyCell, using a dataset of 38,043 consumers. The report provides insight into consumers’ upgrade cycle patterns and Apple’s brand loyalty during the online trade-in process from October 2018 to June 2019.

Lack of innovation, high prices and stiff competition are some of the reasons cited for Apple’s consumer churn rate.”
[doublepost=1563728198][/doublepost]

“Apple's iOS share dropped a little in both Europe and the U.S. - where it was slightly more noticeable at 2.4%”

[doublepost=1563728340][/doublepost]

“The iPhone XR was the best-selling smartphone in the United States in the second quarter, according to research from Kantar, but the share of iOS device sales seem to have slipped in both the US and major European markets while Android vendors enjoy growth during the same period.”
[doublepost=1563728525][/doublepost]

“For the United States, iOS saw its share of sales drop year-on-year from 38.7% for Q2 2018 to 36.3% for Q2 2019. Over the same period, Android saw its share increase from 61% for 2018 to 63.5% in 2019.”

This is the snowball effect in motion. It has begun. The solution is to FIRE Tim Cook now and immediately put all resources into beautiful design and aesthetic once again. Apple needs to WOW the market with an affordable and beautiful design to save the company. Otherwise, after the release of the monstrosity that they’ve developed for the next model, the dip and slide in marketshare is going to be twofold - at least. The future is not going to be pretty if they release that design.
[doublepost=1563728589][/doublepost]

“Apple saw year-on-year sales share drop for iOS by 5.5% in Japan to 37.4% while Android gained 6% to reach 61.8%.”

Yes and all of that translated into 31 billion dollars in sales last quarter.

Just iPhone.

Huawei as a company only made 26 billion last quarter.


So if all those analysts are saying Huawei is doing great and it that really happened (because thier numbers are only estimates related to sell-in not sell-through) then why did only iPhone and not apple make more money than Huawei’s entire company, networking, semiconductor and all.

The numbers contradict your argument.

 

[Bawstun]

Yes and all of that translated into 31 billion dollars in sales last quarter.

Just iPhone.

Huawei as a company only made 26 billion last quarter.


So if all those analysts are saying Huawei is doing great and it that really happened (because thier numbers are only estimates related to sell-in not sell-through) then why did only iPhone and not apple make more money than Huawei’s entire company, networking, semiconductor and all.

The numbers contradict your argument.

Because other manufacturers aren’t charging $1,000 per phone. Revenue is up because prices are up. Marketshare and user retention is down. I don’t understand why this is a hard concept for people to grasp but everyone here just continues trumpeting out the stock value and profit revenue when it does not matter. Apple is in a very precarious position and needs an entire overhaul of a design team and a CEO with real discipline once again who doesn’t sacrifice design for function. Their current designs are not worthy of the premium price. It would be like Starbucks selling watered down coffee.

 

[FFR]

i'm not dilusional, more realistic than you as soon as you think phones need nvme

again, nvme doesn't make much difference in a computer, much less in a phone, my point from the get go but you time and time again failed to grasp that concept, you can disagree, but at least acknowledge the concept

its that simple, so you were wrong and its ok for you to admit it

Your sure acting like it and obsessive at that, especially when your wrong.

go back and read how this started, this is the 3rd time i'm repeating myself, you can't be that daft.
again with the ad hominem? your the bozoo thinks iphone nvme is faster than prosumer grade nvme desktop ssd

It started because you couldn’t accept the iPhone has premium components not found on any android.

Must be very disappointing for you

again, i'm waiting, post screenshots of your iphone nvme speed test, i'm still waiting

what part was i dishonest about? i first mention my friends complaint about their xs getting worse coverage than their qualcomm x, then i stated my own experience, they don't contradict but mere compliment.

Wait all you want, you claimed both you and your friends have iPhones xs max with intel modems and they terrible. So run tests.

If not, deal with it.

go back and read, if you can't even do that then you have no business posting here

GG for quoting from a forum, you really outdone yourself there

gave me crap about pulling from unreliable sources while you quoting from forums, double standard there much?

Au contraire, you have no business posting opinions as though they were fact and getting emotional when being called out as inaccurate.

Posting rubbish and when getting called out on it, doubling down on your positions.

What did you say about the random imgur link, oh yeah that didn’t happen and I was deflecting. .

Damn straight. if posting rubbish and lies are the only way to prove a your point. Have at it.

but ok, i'll play along, according to the links and comments in that forum, i found this.

"Introducing 3D TLC NAND Because of the need to continue down an aggressive cost-curve, TLC (Triple-Level Cell) NAND-based SSDs were introduced in 2012. TLC NAND holds 3-bits of information per cell. This means there is a need to distinguish between 8 voltage levels to decipher the information held, and as such, endurance is reduced even further."

[byes 3d nand tlc is comparable to mlc even edges out in endurance, [/b]but 3d nand is a method of applying layering, so once 3d-NAND is applied to mlc, which is used in 960 and 970 pro, guess what the performance goes way beyond anything tlc or 3d tlc can match.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10698/samsung-announces-960-pro-and-960-evo-m2-pcie-ssds
the 960 pro uses mlc 3D-nand,
Samsung 48-layer MLC V-NAND 960 pro

Samsung 48-layer TLC V-NAND 960 evo

Play along I posted that link, is something seriously wrong with you?

You really have no idea what your talking about do you?

Endurance.
3d tlc> mlc> tlc

also, i'm emotionally attached to the truth, which clearly isn't what your stating here, so lets get back to the topic that caused you to start spewing non sense,

you stated, 960 pro is a cheap drive(a harddrive as you later put it), and that the nvme used in iphone is better.

Then stop being Dishonest and accept the truth.

It is a cheap drive, just get over it.

How this started? You stared spewing a bunch of inaccurate claims one after the other.

Let’s see:
That you claimed flagship android featured Dolby vision
That you claimed Samsung’s mlc has better endurance than the iPhone 3d tlc
That you claimed Samsung still supplies iPhone nand and ram
That counterfeit and copying the iPhone X are “ok” and should be regarded as marketing tool for apple
That mlc is superior to 3d tlc
That intel had an inferior modem even if it can reach speeds above 200Mps
That Qualcomm’s business has nothing to worry about after the FTC lawsuit finding them guilty and forcing them to Change business practices is going into effect.


You were wrong about all of these points and more in fact you kept linking the Dolby website as proof, which was embarrassing when you realized it was Dolby atmos and not Dolby vision. Yes everyone noticed.

It really seems that you know close to nothing about a lot things.

finally you see the light! there is hope for you yet!

iPhone has 3d tlc, I’m going to assume, that’s poor attempt at humor

Take care.









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[FFR]

Because other manufacturers aren’t charging $1,000 per phone. Revenue is up because prices are up. Marketshare and user retention is down. I don’t understand why this is a hard concept for people to grasp but everyone here just continues trumpeting out the stock value and profit revenue when it does not matter. Apple is in a very precarious position and needs an entire overhaul of a design team and a CEO with real discipline once again who doesn’t sacrifice design for function. Their current designs are not worthy of the premium price. It would be like Starbucks selling watered down coffee.

But you admitted revenue was up from iPhone sales.

Your not making much sense there.

 

[ilikewhey]

Your sure acting like it and obsessive at that, especially when your wrong.

obssessive at what? where am i wrong? you still havent prove your iphone nvme speed test. put up or shut up lol

It started because you couldn’t accept the iPhone has premium components not found on any android.

Must be very disappointing for you

ok your definitely delusional. i didnt say that at all. go back and read PLEASE. for the 4TH TIME, i said, nvme doesnt make a much difference in computer, let along in a phone point of view.

Wait all you want, you claimed both you and your friends have iPhones xs max with intel modems and they terrible. So run tests.

If not, deal with it.

how can i run test of something i dont have anymore? the intel iphone was crap so i ditched it and got a unlocked version.

Au contraire, you have no business posting opinions as though they were fact and getting emotional when being called out as inaccurate.

Posting rubbish and when getting called out on it, doubling down on your positions.

What did you say about the random imgur link, oh yeah that didn’t happen and I was deflecting.

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Damn straight. if posting rubbish and lies are the only way to prove a your point. Have at it.

i have plenty of business posting since they are backed up by link, you casually ignore things that are against you, its not my fault you have selective reading. lol

Play along I posted that link, is something seriously wrong with you?

You really have no idea what your talking about do you?

again with the ad hominem. i might not be qualified for IT but certainly more knowledgeable than the crap you been spewing in this thread

Endurance.
3d tlc> mlc> tlc

yeah, that part i agree, 3d tlc is on par with base mlc, but 960 and 970 is 3D mlc, so again, put up your benchmark or shut up lol

Then stop being Dishonest and accept the truth.

It is a cheap drive, just get over it.

How this started? You stared spewing a bunch of inaccurate claims one after the other.

Let’s see:
That you claimed flagship android featured Dolby vision
That you claimed Samsung’s mlc has better endurance than the iPhone 3d tlc
That you claimed Samsung still supplies iPhone nand and ram
That counterfeit and copying the iPhone X are “ok” and should be regarded as marketing tool for apple
That mlc is superior to 3d tlc
That intel had an inferior modem even if it can reach speeds above 200Mps
That Qualcomm’s business has nothing to worry about after the FTC lawsuit finding them guilty and forcing them to Change business practices is going into effect.


You were wrong about all of these points and more in fact you kept linking the Dolby website as proof, which was embarrassing when you realized it was Dolby atmos and not Dolby vision. Yes everyone noticed.

It really seems that you know close to nothing about a lot things.

mate you have really short term memories. i believe its time for your doctor check up

i don't even know android have dolby vision, thats definitely someone else

samsung mlc used in 960 and 970 pro is 3d mlc nand IS BETTER. i have show you source after source supporting my claim, at this point if you still disagree then god bless cause ignorant is certainly a bless.

iphone supplies memory modules from 1-2 suppliers, toshiba, samsung, etc. is hard to put a exact figure on how many iphone uses toshiba memory and how many iphone use others, we both can be right or wrong, so its a moot point.

the 3D mlc used in my 960(again the main component you are arguing against and calling it cheap and inferior to iphone nvme memories) uses MLC 3D. so yeah it is superior.

max speed doesnt mean coverage, can't believe you actually fall for something like that, just because t-mobile has faster speed, doesnt meant t-mobile has better coverage than verizon, i'm comparing apples here and you literally threw in your orange comparison. i can stand next to a cell tower with my qualcomm and get 400mbps, does that mean anything? hellno!

qualcomm business is their business, doesn't take away from the fact that qualcomm chips are superior than intel modem.

you are wrong about all these points and more in fact you kept thinking i'm someone else who knows about dolby. which is embarrassing when you realized it was someone else and not me. yes everyone did notice.it it just shows just how delusional you are.

iPhone has 3d tlc, I’m going to assume, that’s poor attempt at humor

Take care.

i didnt state iphone has 3d tlc, i didnt even know iphone had nvme. you the one who put that claim out there

in addition, i have put up links and benchmark of 960 pro, i'm still waiting for your iphone benchmark..