The context is that 1. The numbers are a guess and 2. The fact is that Apple posted $58b in revenue. Which is more compelling? Some might say #1, but others (and me) say #2.
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What to Expect From the 2019 iPhones: Hands-On With Dummy Models
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Defining sales when talking about sales is very much on point. It doesn’t look like you understand what moving the goal post means, but that doesn’t surprise me.
In response to me stating “premium” android sales have collapsed. Your leaving out the “premium” part out.
The article Rob referenced is gibberish (idc)
Idc isn’t Known for their accuracy when it comes to mobile phone platforms, they don’t have much credibility left after publishing some really inaccurate and wild speculations as fact:
“IDC was so wrong about Windows Phone”
https://betanews.com/2016/12/08/idc-was-so-wrong-about-windows-phone/
I used sales data offered by both apple and Huawei from their financial reports to compare performance. The metric used in financial reports to quantify the proceeds a company generates from selling goods or services to its customers or “sales” is in monetary units or currencies.
It’s actually very relavent. Rob claimed that iPhone sales have fallen 30% for the quarter, which according to apple would equal 31 billion dollars, just for iPhones.
Huawei posted revenue of $26 billion for the same quarter. Mind you 26 billion is for the entire company not just their mobile division.
Q2 2019.
iPhone $31 billion > all of Huawei at only $26 billion
Robs gibberish (IDC) article states Huawei was doing great, better than apple, except the financial reports submitted by both companies contradict that claim.
When you define the numbers; 31 billion, it’s kind of embarrassing for both of them.
It does not matter how many words you use. iPhone sales still dropped 30%.
From a company that has gotten it wrong in the past. So that percentage drop isn’t a fact.
That’s more gibberish (IDC).
$31 billion isn’t a 30% drop in sales and that’s straight from apple.
He doesn’t want to face facts or figures. According to him idc figures trumps apples publicly disclosed data.
I wouldn’t waste anymore time.
Oh it’s your experience now, a minute ago it was your friends experience.
. You should keep your story straight.
I posted personal experience with the intel modem I’m getting over 200 Mps, that’s pretty fast.
Now I’m not saying your dishonest, but do you have any screenshots to back up your experience.
Im going to assume not.
Yes apple did great in the trial, Qualcomm settled very quickly, before the FTC brought down the hammer on their illegal business practices and they were found guilty.
its my experience and my friends who share similar experience, one does not exclude the other, just because i mentioned my friends experience does that mean i can't share my own opinion later? don't be ridiculous now.
i can't post pic because i don't have the phone anymore, trade it in awhile back for a qualcomm iphone as soon as i realized my calls weren't getting through anymore at one of the office room. your getting 200mbps doesn't mean jack, a speed test in a unknown location with unknown circumstances doesn't prove intel modems are good or bad. but the broad range of complaint about folks buying super expensive xs max and not getting the reception they were getting on the previous x is out there.
i'm not arguing for qualcomm, sure their business practice is found illegal, but that doesn't take away from the fact that qualcomm modem > intel modem.
Are you sure about that?
So your saying Mlc is better than 3d tlc?
Your calling the 960 pro the greatest ssd on the market because of write endurance
. Sure your not biased at all.
How fast is it again compared the nvme ssd on the iPhone XS Max?
So which android phone uses nvme ssd or a Samsung 960?
crazy fast actually, this is the nand speed test of a 256gb xs max i found on reddit
https://i.imgur.com/uJzCHEC.jpg
and this is 960 pro
Sequential Read 3500 MB/s 3500 MB/s 3500 MB/s 2500MB/s 2200MB/s
Sequential Write 2100 MB/s 2100 MB/s 2100 MB/s
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10754/samsung-960-pro-ssd-review
i didn't compare my 960 pro to iphone nvme, you did genius
i only stated 960 pro used in my desktop couldn't tell the difference from my sata 850 pro to make a point of nvme being overkill in many situation, next your trying to crap on the 960 pro is a cheap nvme ssd.
and yes mlc is better than 3D tlc, the most durable is SLC, which is crazy to expensive to make, give me one source that claims 3D nand is better than MLC,
https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-s-the-difference-between-SLC-MLC-and-TLC/107
again, i didn't state 960 pro is the greatest ssd on the market, your acting irrationally and putting out false statements again.
your literally are the definitive example of pot calling kettle mate
stating iphone nvme is faster than a prosumer desktop nvme ssd for one. i don't care what phone u get, please stick with iphone, someone needs to buy the iphones and be apple's guinea pig. i appreciate your sacrifices for the greater good
That’s hilarious.
Your actually arguing for counterfeiting.
You shouldn’t bring up concept of credibility anymore.
Be honest which android phone are you currently using.
i'm not arguing for counterfeit, i'm arguing that android takes features from iphone, and vice versa, there is nothing wrong with that.
i'm not using android, i'm on my qualcomm iphone x and 8 for backup. i don't like the android operating system but that doesn't mean i can't respect other brands for what they are doing, if it were not for competition, apple would never have the need to compete.
“You hadn't heard about the Great iPhone Exodus?
Neither had I until CNET offered details of a blistering survey conducted by phone trading site BankMyCell.
After looking at 38,000 phone traders BankMyCell concluded that, since March of last year, 15 percent more people have traded in their iPhones for some other brand.
Worse -- or perhaps more painful -- is that Samsung enjoyed much better retention numbers and that Apple users appear to be going over in increasing numbers to the Galaxy side.
Last month alone, 18 percent of iPhone traders chose a Samsung instead.”
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pple-samsung-smartphone-market-share-idc-2019I have read that article and many others. The ban happened at the end of May. Most of the qiuarter already passed.
Huawei is taking a hit
Samsung is taking a hit
Sony is taking a hit
Pixel is taking a hit
Lg is taking a hit
You want to blame trump because premium android sales are tanking.
Go ahead but the s9, g7, and mate 20 flopped hard last year do you also want to blame trump.
You have no idea what your talking about.
Huawei sales q1 26 billion (all of Huawei)
iPhone sales q1 31 billion (Only iPhone)
apple in the negative? Are you claiming apple lost money on iPhones in 2018? Your just making things up at this point.
The whys never really matter. Like why did the pixel 3 flop last year? It just did.
He is pretty defensive regarding Huawei and Samsung and he never posts any data to back up his machinations.
i'm blaming trump for both huawei's positive and negative, because of trump more folks in asia are buying huawei, also because of trump businesses cannot sell to huawei for blacklist,
you sound mad, are you mad? i'm really not trying to offend you or anything but there just so much evidence out there against what you are claiming i just can't help it.
How come no one ever discusses how many flippers come to iPhone from android? It’s only a one way street or do it seems. Samsung May have better retention but the sales in their mobile division is in the toilet, while Apple pocketed $31b.
So pick your guesstimates as an official authoritative source, I’ll stick with revenues.
Well, here is another source: Sales of iPhones down year-on-year despite popularity of iPhone XR in US
But the conclusion is still the same: people are switching to Android.
Sure I agree people always switch to android and there are those who switch back but not in any meaningful way. Only based on last quarters numbers which is the only fact around here.
Increased revenue is irrelevant if you’re losing marketshare from the device that your entire ecosystem is built upon. Eventually it will crumble like a house of cards. You CANNOT keep focusing on the money and profits, you just can’t. After a point it is irrelevant.
If you don’t believe it, watch. Let those supposed dummy model iPhones come to fruition and you will see an Apple exodus like never before seen in its device history. It is poor, ugly design and no one is going to be paying $1,000 for it. It will fail on a level never before seen with iPhones, and that’s bad because Apple tends to keep the same design for 3 or so years. They are headed for unprecedented user-retention trouble if Tim Cook really let them design a camera square with 3 lenses like that. It is awful design and it is going to lead to awful sales results - as it should.
Apple doesn’t care about market share it cares about active devices. Android has to focus on money and profits or they will crumble. The only company that makes it on android market share is google.
At any rate, my money is on Apple (not for anything, but Tim has beaten all of the “Apple is doomed” odds) and we shall see.
Nobody here is that prescient, including me, but my opinion is on the company that has a track record vs the companies that don’t.
Even if the next iPhone lineup follows this design scheme, they will look vastly better than these ridiculous cheap schematic knockoffs.
I love how weirdos who love controversy pretend that the next iPhones will ACTUALLY look as grungy and tacky as these things with uneven, protruding camera lens rings and an unbalanced Apple logo.
Grow up.
I love how weirdos who love controversy pretend that the next iPhones will ACTUALLY look as grungy and tacky as these things with uneven, protruding camera lens rings and an unbalanced Apple logo.
Grow up.
Ahead of every new iPhone release, we're inundated with rumors, part leaks, mockups, and dummy models, all of which give us a good idea of what to expect when new devices launch.
2019 is no exception. We've seen all of the above, and now, we've managed to get our hands on three dummy models of the upcoming iPhones, which offer up a look at the designs and feature changes we're likely to see later this year.
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Like the 2018 iPhone lineup, the 2019 iPhone lineup is expected to include three iPhones: a 5.8-inch OLED device, a 6.5-inch OLED device, and a more affordable 6.1-inch LCD device, which will be successors to the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR, respectively.
Compared to the 2018 iPhones, there will be few physical design changes. In fact, these new iPhones look identical to the 2018 iPhones in size, shape, and design, with the exception of the rear camera.
The sole major physical change to the new iPhones is a redesigned camera bump that's larger and square-shaped, as we've heard in multiple rumors. Apple is expected to use a triple-lens camera setup for the 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhones coming in 2019.
A triple-lens camera adds one additional lens and should result in some solid improvements to the photo taking capabilities of the new iPhones. Based on rumors from Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple's camera setup could include a 12-megapixel wide-angle lens, a 12-megapixel telephoto lens, and a 12-megapixel super wide-angle lens, which would be the new addition.
This triple-lens camera setup could allow for a larger field of view, a wider zoom range, better low light performance, and it will capture more pixels for sharper, clearer images even when lighting is not ideal. Note that the dummy models we have here feature lenses that protrude slightly -- in the finished versions of the 2019 iPhone models, the lenses are expected to be flush with the bump. These dummy models provide a solid look at what we're expecting, but the completed iPhone is going to look more elegant.
Google has received a lot of attention for its Night Sight mode that allows for bright shots even in the dark, and we wouldn't be surprised to see Apple offer a competing feature in 2019.
We've also heard from Bloomberg that Apple is working on a feature that would use some extra pixel data to do provide tools for automatically repairing a photo or video to fit in a subject that "may have accidentally been cut off from the initial shot." This sounds a little confusing, but it presumably takes advantage of that super-wide angle lens to let you edit the field of view of an image.
While the next-generation 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhones will have the aforementioned triple-lens setup, rumors suggest the next iPhone XR will have just two lenses, which is still one more lens than the current model. Presumably this will include a standard wide-angle lens and a telephoto lens, allowing the iPhone XR to better mimic the capabilities of the current iPhone XS and XS Max.
Though the next-generation iPhone XR has just two lenses, the dummy model features the same square-shaped camera bump that's on the more expensive models with triple-lens cameras, which Apple may have done for design parity across the 2019 iPhone lineup.
2019 6.1-inch iPhone compared to iPhone XR
Aside from the rear camera bump changes, the three upcoming iPhones feature no other design changes, at least not in these dummy models. There were rumors that the volume button would be redesigned with a round-style switch that we've previously seen in iPads, but that's not depicted here.
These dummy models are based on schematics and leaks from Apple factories and are likely sourced from case makers eager to be the first to get cases for the new iPhones on the market. There's big money in getting an accurate look at upcoming iPhones to make early cases, and most years, dummy models like these are spot on.
iPhone XS volume buttons compared to 5.8-inch 2019 iPhone dummy
For the most part, these dummy models also are in line with most of the rumors that we've heard, so they're likely an accurate representation of what we can expect. There are no changes to the notch expected this year, though rumors suggest we could see some tweaks in 2020.
Display of iPhone XS Max compared to display of 2019 6.5-inch iPhone
Apple may, however, remove 3D Touch from the 2019 iPhone lineup. The 2018 iPhone XR did not have 3D Touch, and we've heard a few rumors suggesting 3D Touch will be eliminated from all iPhones in 2019. It's not yet clear if this is accurate, but iOS 13 does hint at its removal by adding 3D Touch-style Context Menus that can be activated on devices like iPads with a long press.
There were rumors that the new iPhones would use a frosted glass, also not seen in the models we have here. It's possible that a new glass look is still a planned feature and just wasn't included because material wouldn't impact case fit, but there's also a chance that rumor wasn't accurate.
For the next-generation iPhone XR in particular, while not seen in the dummy model, there are rumors of new colors including a lavender shade and a green shade, which might replace the existing blue and coral colors.
We heard other early rumors about the 2019 iPhones that no longer seem to be accurate. There was talk that Apple's triple-lens camera would have some 3D sensing functionality that would be similar to the TrueDepth camera system, but that's been pushed to 2020 and will be a major feature of the 2020 iPhones.
A render of the colors we could see for the iPhone XR successor
There was also talk of Apple switching from Lightning to USB-C in the 2019 iPhone lineup because the company brought USB-C to the iPad lineup, but based on these dummy models and a multitude of rumors, Apple's sticking with Lightning.
As for internals, we can expect an upgraded, faster A13 chip, and larger batteries could potentially bring some battery life improvements. One neat internal tweak will let the 2019 iPhones serve as Qi-based chargers for other devices, so you may be able to charge one iPhone with another or charge up your AirPods using your iPhone.
Faster Wi-Fi 6 support could be included in the 2019 iPhones, along with ultra wide-band support for improvements to indoor positioning and navigation. Apple may also include an 18W USB-C power adapter and a Lighting to USB-C cable with the new iPhones, allowing for fast charging out of the box.
There's no word on what the 2019 iPhones will be called, but many have taken to referring to them as the iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Max, and iPhone 11R, which is a possibility, though not confirmed.
As for pricing, Apple may be planning to price the new iPhones similarly to the 2018 iPhones as we've heard no rumors about pricing updates. There's still a chance for some pricing tweaks, though, as Apple did see a dip in sales in countries like China that's partially attributable to high iPhone prices.
Apple is expected to unveil the new 2019 iPhones in September, and an event could potentially be held during the week of September 9. MacRumors has heard from a reliable source that Apple is planning to unveil the new iPhones on Tuesday, September 10, which is quite likely given past event dates.
For more on what to expect from the 2019 iPhones, make sure to check out our full 2019 iPhone roundup.
(Thanks to Sonny Dickson for helping us get our hands on these dummy models!)
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Well, no it’s not a very good sample size. Millions of people will buy the next iPhone, and in relative terms no one gives a damn about what we MacRumors readers think. I think you have an overinflated sense of yourself.
The design is “crap?” You don’t know what the design is. It could be crap. It could be better than you thought. It could be worse. Meanwhile, who just released a phone with a square camera bump on the back recently....?
You know what are really ugly and unwieldy? Actual cameras. If it takes a square camera module to take even better photos on an iPhone, I think that’s fair given what beasts dedicated cameras are.
Yes, grow up.
Losers on this forum have whined for years about Apple choosing form over function. Now they perceive Apple is choosing function over form and they’re, predictably, whining.
No one takes you seriously. “Oh I’m not that person, but THIS is just a step too far I tell you!” Sure. All these people saying they refuse to update their slowing iPhone 6 to the next generation because of a square, powerful, camera module....yeah, those seem like very serious people.
I’m sure they’ll enjoy Samsung. Because their camera modules are are so much more attractive, as seen in the included photO. LMAO
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Camera is fine with me. I use a case, so it’s all smooth on the back anyway. And I’ll get awesome pictures.
Someone else in this thread asked me the same question. Feel free to read my response and comment:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/27554088/
I think that's a fair point, but it's also fair to point out that other companies have large camera arrays and they look a bit nicer. OnePlus and Samsung to name two.
If the rumours of Apple backtracking the keyboard are true, then perhaps that along with this camera is a sign that function over form is returning. It would be a welcome change. But nevertheless, I really do think they could have made this nicer. A horizontal bar running across the back would have been just as effective for housing three cameras and would also have the added benefit of preventing the phone from wobbling when set on a flat surface.
This is the first year in a long time that this years models aren’t even in contention. Another $$$$ sum for that ugliness? Forget it. I seriously hope 2020 looks better than this.
People on here aren’t the average user
Say what you want about the design the new iPhones will still sell more devices than the new Samsung’s and new pixel devices
As good as the S10 is and was it still didn’t t sell great