What to Expect From the 2019 iPhones: Hands-On With Dummy Models

I must say, I've been using Apple products since around 1990 but this is an awful design...that camera better do something spectacular to warrant its awful aestethics!
It probably won’t look like that. There have been a lot of rumours suggesting that Apple will colour match the glass in between the lenses to the rest of the phone so there’s not a big black square. These are just dummy models, they’re not accurate. Yes the basic shape might be accurate but we don’t know the details. I highly doubt Apple would make their flagship product ugly.
 
You might want to ask Apple why they did it. From your post it seems clear these materials add nothing of value, to you, and you believe these materials are solely the reason the Xs and max are at the price point they are?

Btw, it may surprise you the price of iPhones hasn’t risen that dramatically over the last few years(if you compare high end to high end), it’s just that people aren’t used to paying full retail.


If you want to buy the base model of the flagship iPhone in 2019 that price is $999 in the US in 2016 that was $649. That is quite a jump.

You can make all the arguments you like about the storage tier being higher on the base model now etc but the average consumer just sees that price tag skyrocketing and not much else.

The numbers tell the story, if the Xr is the best seller of the current line up and its the 'cheaper' model that tells you what you need to know in terms of how the market generally views the Xs and Xs Max. Sure its not disastrous for Apple, they're still buying and iPhone, but its suggests for many the other two phones aren't worth the money.

There are also some early signs that loyalty to the platform is on the slide, if that is even remotely representative of the market in general Apple should be concerned. That almost certainly is due to pricing.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/17/iphone-loyalty-report/
 
did you even read the article? huawei taking a hit cause of trump's ban, not because their phone suck. huawei is the only brand that sold more last year than the year previous, where apple and samsung were in the negative.
Does it matter why? Or just that these manufacturers took a hit? Of course we always speculate on the “why”.
 
I'm sure some are Fandriods, but I'm with em and I think most people who like Apple (as evidenced on this thread) are of the same opinion re these first set of mock ups.

It doesn't look good. The mock up in silver looks ugly. No way round it. Black would def look better, but a big protruding square on the back will make ANYTHING look bad.

If it means a massive upgrade in cameras though... I'd accept it easily. Still, when you pay the Apple design premium, I think we're allowed to voice our disapproval about a very lacklustre design.

I'm guessing Shanson27 in post #81 is right though. It will look like the photos they posted and won't be that bad. Surely Apple will make it look better than those mock ups... surely.
It’s not going to look like this! There have already been many credible rumours suggesting that the areas between the lenses will be the same colour as the rest of the back of the phone, so no black square. These dummy models and this article are stupid.
 
The premium components, stainless steel, 8 core npu, high performance “overkill” nvme based storage, and Face ID all offer value to the end user, whether you want to admit/accept it or not. iPhone sales reflect that.

Having said that, Apple could be more like android oems and sell flagship phones without any of these premium hardware components for the SAME price as their current flagships.

But then their premium sales would crater just like android oems.

Samsung Profits Dropped 60% In Q1 2019
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-financial-results-q1-2019-profits-fall,39210.html

Q2 isn’t going to be any better for Samsung or Huawei for that matter.

Samsung expects another big slump in profits
https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/04/samsung-earnings-guidance-q2-2019/
Huawei takes hit in Europe during Q2 2019
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-q2-2019-europe-1010233/

Pixels aren’t selling either.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/google-admits-pixel-3-sales-have-fallen-year-over-year/


Erm do you read the news or just the bits that suit you?

iPhone sales drop a massive 30% year on year.
https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/30/iphone-sales-drop/
 
Does it matter why? Or just that these manufacturers took a hit? Of course we always speculate on the “why”.
yeah it kinda does, cause FFR is casually stating huawei is gonna sell less phones cause their phone use less premium materials. but on the contrary they are going to sell less phones cause of political situation with trump.

huawei had a 49 percent increase last year, and suddenly they go into the negative? that makes no sense if its consumer driven motive, but politically driven motive makes the most sense.
 
If you want to buy the base model of the flagship iPhone in 2019 that price is $999 in the US in 2016 that was $649. That is quite a jump.

You can make all the arguments you like about the storage tier being higher on the base model now etc but the average consumer just sees that price tag skyrocketing and not much else.

The numbers tell the story, if the Xr is the best seller of the current line up and its the 'cheaper' model that tells you what you need to know in terms of how the market generally views the Xs and Xs Max. Sure its not disastrous for Apple, they're still buying and iPhone, but its suggests for many the other two phones aren't worth the money.

There are also some early signs that loyalty to the platform is on the slide, if that is even remotely representative of the market in general Apple should be concerned. That almost certainly is due to pricing.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/17/iphone-loyalty-report/
First, the source of that information is suspect, to say the least.

Second, the price of consumer goods have gone up since 2016. A hundred dollars a year for more advanced tech doesn't seem unreasonable. But if you look at the most expensive flagships since 2016 the prices tell a different story, no matter how this is spun.

That a cheaper model of anything outsells a more expensive model of anything, tells the story. That in earlier days the 16gb model outsold the 64gb model shouldn't be a surprise. That the iphone x did as well as it did, should really say the truth about this "equation".

And that Apple is posting good revenue numbers is the other part of the equation.
 
First, the source of that information is suspect, to say the least.

Second, the price of consumer goods have gone up since 2016. A hundred dollars a year for more advanced tech doesn't seem unreasonable. But if you look at the most expensive flagships since 2016 the prices tell a different story, no matter how this is spun.

That a cheaper model of anything outsells a more expensive model of anything, tells the story. That in earlier days the 16gb model outsold the 64gb model shouldn't be a surprise. That the iphone x did as well as it did, should really say the truth about this "equation".

It doesn't seem unreasonable to you but then you own stock so the objectivity of that view is suspect, to say the least.
 
oh yeahhhh intel modem is so great apple dropped them for qualcomm next year and now intel is liquidating their modem business. :D

Yes because apple was their only smartphone customer, so without them they don’t really need the business. Apple did hire the lead of intels 5g business in feb. and are rumored to be in negation to buy out the modem business.


in my experience intel models have lower reliability, sure they can get fast when coverage is great but once i go to places where my qualcomm iphone gets 1 bar, the intel iphone gets none. thats why apple settled with qualcomm in qualcomm's favor, cause intel just can't compete in the 5g race and are now selling their entire modem business to unknown entities.

Oh it’s your experience now, a minute ago it was your friends experience. . You should keep your story straight.

I posted personal experience with the intel modem I’m getting over 200 Mps, that’s pretty fast.

Now I’m not saying your dishonest, but do you have any screenshots to back up your experience.

Im going to assume not.

Yes apple did great in the trial, Qualcomm settled very quickly, before the FTC brought down the hammer on their illegal business practices and they were found guilty.


calling a 960 pro a cheap samsung drive just destroys any credibility you may/may not have lol. and for the record, samsung is one of the nand supplies for iphone and macbooks, in terms of reliability and speed, samsung nand is the leader of the pack,

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/07/06/apple-samsung-nand-flash-supply-iphones/

They are cheap, why does that bother you?

Actually not really.
Apple now uses Toshiba and have been for a while.
Toshiba inks deal to sell chip unit to Bain-Apple group for $18 billion
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/toshiba-sells-chip-unit-to-bain-apple-group-for-18-billion.html

samsung 960 pro uses MLC, which completely destroys iphones' 3D NAND in terms of write endurance, your apple fanboyism bias is showing really, really bad here. anyone with who has a lick of knowledge about flash storage knows samsung 9x0 pro series are the benchmark when it comes to affordable prosumer NAND drives.

Are you sure about that?
So your saying Mlc is better than 3d tlc?

Your calling the 960 pro the greatest ssd on the market because of write endurance. Sure your not biased at all.

How fast is it again compared the nvme ssd on the iPhone XS Max?

So which android phone uses nvme ssd or a Samsung 960?


qualcomm and others can't compete against the A series, no one is disputing that, nor did i say anything of sort that lead any casualty to it, unless you do photoshop work on your iphone, which i doubt, majority of apps and stuffs you do on your phone won't be notificable in real world scenario. thats why most folks are still on their iphone 6s, 7, 8, x does not have the need to upgrade to the latest XS cause the a10, a11, are fast enough, same goes for samsung s7, s8, s9. hence the correlation that iphone XS and samsung s10 are struggling with sales, not because they are bad phones, but one of the reasons is consumer's current phones are fast enough they don't need to upgrade.

Premium iPhone sales are fine, nothing compared to premium galaxy phone sales tanking for the second year in a row.

have you seen whats out there besides apple? apparently not because if you have with a non biased point of view, you will see there are alot out there and wouldn't dismiss android phones with that ignorant attitude of yours. apple is charging more for less features every year, but you don't seem to mind, you seem to be quite defensive about it :eek:

You seem to be an expert on ignorant attitudes. Keep it up.

Yes i have see the state of android recently, a bunch of iPhone clones with out any of the premium components. For the same price.
No thanks.

Your not making much sense, apple is charging more for premium components, Face ID, nvme based storage, etc etc.

Android oems are just charging more without including the same premium components.

Sure I will get an android phone, can you point me to one With Face ID, nvme based storage, SS frame, and a flat display.


these direct iphone clones gets all the publicity cause it gives apple free publicity to show popular they are, but in actuality no one really buys them, its like counterfeiting gucci bags, they know they exist but no folks have them.

That’s hilarious.
Your actually arguing for counterfeiting.

You shouldn’t bring up concept of credibility anymore.


Be honest which android phone are you currently using.
 
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Erm do you read the news or just the bits that suit you?

iPhone sales drop a massive 30% year on year.
https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/30/iphone-sales-drop/

I not only can read the news but I can understand it.
Can you?

“Apple’s iPhone is an incredible moneymaking machine. In the first three months of 2019, Apple sold $31 billion worth of iPhones.”

So rob are you calling $31 billion in sales terrible?

Or are you just going to cite gibberish (That’s my nickname for IDC) to suit you.
 
did you even read the article? huawei taking a hit cause of trump's ban, not because their phone suck.

I have read that article and many others. The ban happened at the end of May. Most of the qiuarter already passed.

Huawei is taking a hit
Samsung is taking a hit
Sony is taking a hit
Pixel is taking a hit
Lg is taking a hit

You want to blame trump because premium android sales are tanking.
Go ahead but the s9, g7, and mate 20 flopped hard last year do you also want to blame trump.

huawei is the only brand that sold more last year than the year previous, where apple and samsung were in the negative.

You have no idea what your talking about.
Huawei sales q1 26 billion (all of Huawei)
iPhone sales q1 31 billion (Only iPhone)

apple in the negative? Are you claiming apple lost money on iPhones in 2018? Your just making things up at this point.


Does it matter why? Or just that these manufacturers took a hit? Of course we always speculate on the “why”.

The whys never really matter. Like why did the pixel 3 flop last year? It just did.

He is pretty defensive regarding Huawei and Samsung and he never posts any data to back up his machinations.
 
Pretty sure I was. Android flagships aren’t capable of Dolby vision.

The other poster kept proving it.

And when he realized it, he lied and claimed he didn’t.

I even posted a screenshot.



Sure is.
Apples budget iPhone uses the same material as android flagships, aluminum and glass.

If your looking for something more premium, apples flagship, the xs and Xs Max, uses stainless steel and glass.



Sure your friends.
Don’t really believe you, in my experience the intel modem is great.
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Yes the nvme storage is a high performance component, which makes it a premium component. Another component android flagships are lacking.

Apple uses faster and higher quality nand then what is found in that cheap Samsung drive, that’s why you can’t tell the difference between sata and the nvme.

Here is one that is a bit slower than what apple uses.
It’s not cheap like that Samsung drive with the weak performance you keep using as a benchmark.
https://www.pcmag.com/review/352086/lacie-bolt3





No Kirin is not comparable to apples a series chips, not even close. Quaclocomm can’t even compete with apple a series chip.

8 core npu is another premium component not found in any android flagships yet they still charge flagship prices, guess android fans dont care about having the best processor and npu on a mobile platform.


I would say it’s a pity that android fans pay iPhone prices for an android flagship with less premium components compared the the iPhone, but you don’t seem to mind, you seem to be quite defensive about it.




Sure android oems cloning the iPhone is totally normal.

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We all know why android oems copy the iPhone and sell their iPhone clones and no it’s not because everyone does it.




What is amusing about the display of Android phones which "cloned" the iPhone, is that it includes the Essential PH1, which was announced (May 2017) and released well before the iPhone X, and which was the first mainstream smartphone to feature a "notch" :)
 
What is amusing about the display of Android phones which "cloned" the iPhone, is that it includes the Essential PH1, which was announced (May 2017) and released well before the iPhone X, and which was the first mainstream smartphone to feature a "notch" :)

You think the essential phone looks like the iPhone X?

Talk about clutching at straws. Your hilarious. Android fans say the funniest things.

If you were being serious...why does apple have the design patent on the notch? .....That’s right because apple submitted a patent for it a year before the essential launched.

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“This is the first granted design patent for iPhone X issued by the U.S. Patent Office under number D806,705. Apple originally filed their application back in November 2016.”



The essentials hole punch looked like the ones found on Samsung’s phones not the iPhone X and btw was patented by lg.

Maybe rubin shouldn’t have rushed an unfinished product to market just to beat apples iPhone X. Perhaps then the company would still have a website.

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Hahaha, the essential phone launched the end of august and only sold 5000 units.

“Yep, the Essential Phone was a total failure”
https://bgr.com/2018/02/12/essential-phone-sales-deals-wtf/

One month after launch everyone was already calling it a failure.

“Essential Phone was destined to fail — will a $200 price cut save it?”
https://betanews.com/2017/10/23/essential-phone-200-price-cut/


Nobody clones a failure..

Can’t believe someone even suggested it, thank you for the humor giligan, it was very much appreciated.
 
You think the essential phone looks like the iPhone X?

Talk about clutching at straws. Your hilarious. Android fans say the funniest things.

If you were being serious...why does apple have the design patent on the notch? .....That’s right because apple submitted a patent for it a year before the essential launched.

efca25136607720080484e3ba998b8bb.jpg


“This is the first granted design patent for iPhone X issued by the U.S. Patent Office under number D806,705. Apple originally filed their application back in November 2016.”



The essentials hole punch looked like the ones found on Samsung’s phones not the iPhone X and btw was patented by lg.

Maybe rubin shouldn’t have rushed an unfinished product to market just to beat apples iPhone X. Perhaps then the company would still have a website.

2effa6b3a922d326f52d2aab600b79e9.jpg



Hahaha, the essential phone launched the end of august and only sold 5000 units.

“Yep, the Essential Phone was a total failure”
https://bgr.com/2018/02/12/essential-phone-sales-deals-wtf/

One month after launch everyone was already calling it a failure.

“Essential Phone was destined to fail — will a $200 price cut save it?”
https://betanews.com/2017/10/23/essential-phone-200-price-cut/


Nobody clones a failure..

Can’t believe someone even suggested it, thank you for the humor giligan, it was very much appreciated.


I never said the Essential PH1looked like like the iPhone X. Where did I say that? I was commenting on you including the Essential PH1in a display of phones which cloned the iPhone. For Essential to announce/display the Essential PH1 In May 2017, it had been in design since before Nov 2016.
 
Apple knows the market is saturated and growing market share at this point really isn't possible without a race to the bottom. This is why to maintain the highest levels of profitability they need to focus on the high end market and cater to the rich folks who have the money to spend, not the mass market. These iPhones will do well at a high price for the market they are targeting even if they don't appeal to the mainstream.
Khardashian’s are rich, but I still see them with older Touch ID iPhones. Same with many other celebrities. Take into account, rich people represent a small percentage of the market and many are frugal (that’s why they are rich). Of course the diehard fans who need the yearly status symbol will upgrade.

Don’t get me wrong, Apple is gonna make a boatload of money from it, just don’t expect it to be as substantial as in the past. The iPhone will be a stable money printer just because of the Apple logo.
 
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I never said the Essential PH1looked like like the iPhone X. Where did I say that? I was commenting on you including the Essential PH1in a display of phones which cloned the phone

Then I misunderstood your post.


For Essential to announce/display the Essential PH1 In May 2017, it had been in design since before Nov 2016.

With that way of thinking the iPhone X was in development much earlier than when they submitted the final designs for a design patent in nov 2016

The essential launched in August, and it was rushed to market with incomplete software. Selling only 5,000 units in the first weeks of release, total units sold estimated to be around 66,000units.

To be fair, With volume as low as that and the incomplete state of the final software, essential could have begun development in January or February 2018, with a release 6 months later, and semi functioning prototypes for the launch event in May.
 
I not only can read the news but I can understand it.
Can you?

“Apple’s iPhone is an incredible moneymaking machine. In the first three months of 2019, Apple sold $31 billion worth of iPhones.”

So rob are you calling $31 billion in sales terrible?

Or are you just going to cite gibberish (That’s my nickname for IDC) to suit you.
You love moving the goal posts, don't you? Rob referenced the article about the drop in iPhone sales in response to you saying that Android phones sales dropped. The context here is the sale trends not the absolute numbers. You mentioning $31 billions here is absolutely irrelevant (but you knew it, you just wanted to deflect).
 
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